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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
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Post#1901 » by bwgood77 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:35 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Evan Sidery (@esidery) Tweeted:
Three prospects generating the most Suns buzz are Kira Lewis, Tyrell Terry, and Desmond Bane. All three are more likely trade back options than staying at No. 10.

Right now, I’d bet on Phoenix trying to pull off exactly what they did last year with Cam Johnson and Dario Saric.
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Maybe if they are happy with any of them, but I have seen some thing Terry could be a top 10 pick. The Ringer has him at 8 on their board, so it's not out of the question a team or two does as well.

Same goes for a lot of the guys in this draft. There is a lot of talk about how opinions are all over the place.

I think trading down can be a good option but if you are really targeting a specific guy and don't net much in a trade down, I am not sure it's worth the risk unless you do so during the draft, but then again, the risk there is that you have to draft who the other team wants and if your guy isn't there when they pick, you're kind of stuck unless you also liked the guy they wanted.

If your scouts have a guy ranked 7th and mocks have him 15th, the mocks are meaningless. If the Bucks were locked on Giannis and had him at 5 on their big board but saw he was mocked at 20, and drafted at 10, should they have traded down to 17 and risked him being gone or so to get a small assett in their draft or taken him at 10?

I am just not a general fan of overthinking something if you think a guy is the best player available for your team, culture and needs.
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Post#1903 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:46 pm

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Warriors 'blown away' by Israeli prospect Deni Avdija after workout and meeting, per report

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The most recent bit of information indicates that the Warriors are interested in Israeli prospect Deni Avdija. In fact, they were "blown away" after meeting with him and watching him work out down in Atlanta earlier this week, according to Ethan Strauss of The Athletic:



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We now have official confirmation that the 2020 NBA Draft will be held on Nov. 18, and will be a virtual event hosted at ESPN's studios in Connecticut. But outside of the time and date, and the fact that commissioner Adam Silver will be in studio to announce the picks, nothing about the draft is clear. 

There's no consensus No. 1 pick, and no guarantee that the Minnesota Timberwolves or Golden State Warriors -- who hold the first and second overall picks, respectively -- will even be making their selections. If they do end up staying put instead of trading down, both teams will have a number of options, depending on how much of a risk they want to take. 

The most recent bit of information indicates that the Warriors are interested in Israeli prospect Deni Avdija. In fact, they were "blown away" after meeting with him and watching him work out down in Atlanta earlier this week, according to Ethan Strauss of The Athletic:

Steve Kerr and other members of the Warriors organization worked out Maccabi Tel Aviv prospect Deni Avdija on Thursday morning in Atlanta, according to sources. By all accounts, it was a positive get together, one in which the 19-year-old Israeli impressed observers. Not only did Avdija perform well in the workouts, but Warriors officials were blown away after meeting with him. The universal takeaway was that he's a "great kid" with an immense work ethic.



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We now have official confirmation that the 2020 NBA Draft will be held on Nov. 18, and will be a virtual event hosted at ESPN's studios in Connecticut. But outside of the time and date, and the fact that commissioner Adam Silver will be in studio to announce the picks, nothing about the draft is clear. 

There's no consensus No. 1 pick, and no guarantee that the Minnesota Timberwolves or Golden State Warriors -- who hold the first and second overall picks, respectively -- will even be making their selections. If they do end up staying put instead of trading down, both teams will have a number of options, depending on how much of a risk they want to take. 

The most recent bit of information indicates that the Warriors are interested in Israeli prospect Deni Avdija. In fact, they were "blown away" after meeting with him and watching him work out down in Atlanta earlier this week, according to Ethan Strauss of The Athletic:

Steve Kerr and other members of the Warriors organization worked out Maccabi Tel Aviv prospect Deni Avdija on Thursday morning in Atlanta, according to sources. By all accounts, it was a positive get together, one in which the 19-year-old Israeli impressed observers. Not only did Avdija perform well in the workouts, but Warriors officials were blown away after meeting with him. The universal takeaway was that he's a "great kid" with an immense work ethic.

Avdija, despite being just 19 years old, has already been playing professionally for three years with Maccabi Tel Aviv in Israel and won the MVP Award in the Israeli League last season. He's widely expected to be a top-five pick in the upcoming draft, though he seems to be penciled in a tier below the likes of LaMelo Ball, James Wiseman and Anthony Edwards -- at least in terms of draft order. 

As Strauss notes in his report, there's certainly no guarantee that the Warriors are going to take the leap and pick Avdija at No. 2 overall, but the fact that they're putting in such effort to scout prospects shows that keeping the pick -- or at least trading down a few slots rather than out of the first round completely -- is in play. 

With the skill he has for a player his size, and his extensive professional experience at such a young age, it's clear why Avdija is expected to be off the board quickly on draft night. Whether the Warriors will take him, however, is another story. There have been so many rumors coming out of Golden State that it's hard to put too much stock in any one of them. 

They reportedly don't want to take a center, have been interested in Edwards, might end up trading the pick, and now have apparently been "blown away" by Avdija. And there's still another month until draft night, which means plenty of time for more leaks from the Warriors' camp. 


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If the Warriors were to take Avdija, Then who might it push down to 10? Could doing that turn everything on its head, And cause one of Toppin/ Okungwu to possibly fall to us at 10? And if so, Would/ Should Okungwu be the specific prospect that Boston would covet just enough to possibly send back Smart and the 14th pick in a trade? :dontknow:
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Post#1904 » by bwgood77 » Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:33 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:If the Warriors were to take Avdija, Then who might it push down to 10? Could doing that turn everything on its head, And cause one of Toppin/ Okungwu to possibly fall to us at 10? And if so, Would/ Should Okungwu be the specific prospect that Boston would covet just enough to possibly send back Smart and the 14th pick in a trade? :dontknow:


Not sure why it would change who fell to us. He has been projected top 5 at least this whole time.
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Post#1907 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:57 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:If the Warriors were to take Avdija, Then who might it push down to 10? Could doing that turn everything on its head, And cause one of Toppin/ Okungwu to possibly fall to us at 10? And if so, Would/ Should Okungwu be the specific prospect that Boston would covet just enough to possibly send back Smart and the 14th pick in a trade? :dontknow:


Not sure why it would change who fell to us. He has been projected top 5 at least this whole time.


Perhaps only in the capacity of a team after 3 or so now not being able to get him, which would cause that team to alternatively choose their plan B prospect , Which in turn might be another teams primary option on their board, And then so on and so on, It only takes 1 or 2 changes to potentially create a ripple effect that could drop a prospect close to our range to 10 for us. Again, Because if a team anywhere in the 4- 10 range might of otherwise had Avdija as their top pick, And once he's gone, Then they pick an alternative choice (obviously) that just so happened to be a team selecting shortly after thems' Top choice, Causing that team to also subsequently choose their alternate choice. Which would result in one or two prospects dropping a spot or two in the draft, As they now may not be a top choice of the next team picking, Especially IF that team prioritizes fit/ role over BPA? :dontknow:
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Post#1908 » by Blonde » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:48 am

With this year having so many point guards with potential to go in the lottery I was curious so I looked up all the point guards selected in the lottery over the last 10 years:

Wall

Kyrie
Knight
Kemba

Lillard
Rivers
Marshall
Trey Burke
Michael Carter Williams

Exum
Smart (now primarily a SG)
Payton

Russell
Mudiay
Cam Payne

Simmons
Dunn
Murray

Fultz
Ball
Fox
Ntilikina
Smith Jr

Doncic
Young
Sexton
SGA

Morant
Garland
White

Just looking at this list I’d have to guess that the bust rate is lower among lottery selected point guards than at most other positions. This year we’ve heard all of Ball, Hayes, Haliburton, Lewis, Anthony, Maxey, and Terry mentioned as potential lottery guys. History tells us some of them will bust, some will stick as rotation guys and some long term starters. I hope we end up walking away from this draft with our PG of the future.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1909 » by Frank Lee » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:13 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:If the Warriors were to take Avdija, Then who might it push down to 10? Could doing that turn everything on its head, And cause one of Toppin/ Okungwu to possibly fall to us at 10? And if so, Would/ Should Okungwu be the specific prospect that Boston would covet just enough to possibly send back Smart and the 14th pick in a trade? :dontknow:


Not sure why it would change who fell to us. He has been projected top 5 at least this whole time.


Perhaps only in the capacity of a team after 3 or so now not being able to get him, which would cause that team to alternatively choose their plan B prospect , Which in turn might be another teams primary option on their board, And then so on and so on, It only takes 1 or 2 changes to potentially create a ripple effect that could drop a prospect close to our range to 10 for us. Again, Because if a team anywhere in the 4- 10 range might of otherwise had Avdija as their top pick, And once he's gone, Then they pick an alternative choice (obviously) that just so happened to be a team selecting shortly after thems' Top choice, Causing that team to also subsequently choose their alternate choice. Which would result in one or two prospects dropping a spot or two in the draft, As they now may not be a top choice of the next team picking, Especially IF that team prioritizes fit/ role over BPA? :dontknow:



Jeeminy Chrissmas..... lay off of whatever you're laying on dude.... that's some serious word garbage there.

Thanks for over-explaining how a 'draft' works.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1910 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:09 am

Frank Lee wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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bwgood77 wrote:
Not sure why it would change who fell to us. He has been projected top 5 at least this whole time.


Perhaps only in the capacity of a team after 3 or so now not being able to get him, which would cause that team to alternatively choose their plan B prospect , Which in turn might be another teams primary option on their board, And then so on and so on, It only takes 1 or 2 changes to potentially create a ripple effect that could drop a prospect close to our range to 10 for us. Again, Because if a team anywhere in the 4- 10 range might of otherwise had Avdija as their top pick, And once he's gone, Then they pick an alternative choice (obviously) that just so happened to be a team selecting shortly after thems' Top choice, Causing that team to also subsequently choose their alternate choice. Which would result in one or two prospects dropping a spot or two in the draft, As they now may not be a top choice of the next team picking, Especially IF that team prioritizes fit/ role over BPA? :dontknow:



Jeeminy Chrissmas..... lay off of whatever you're laying on dude.... that's some serious word garbage there.

Thanks for over-explaining how a 'draft' works.


You're of course very welcome! :D
And thank you for profound interest and your expressed concerns, But if you find the post too cumbersome, Then feel free to simply pass by it. That should hopefully save you any potential unnecessary duress. :D


Now aside from any of that, It shouldn't need explaining in the first place, As everyone knows that this particular draft doesn't have any clear cut tiers. I mean teams can't even settle on a consensus top 3 yet. So any changes to a teams picks would obviously affect the teams that follow that pick and would've had that preferred prospect atop their board. In every draft some prospects fall. It's a basic example of causality. It really doesn't matter where he's been ranked, As their again has not been any true consensus for this draft, Only random speculation across the board. :wink:
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Post#1911 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:19 am

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2020/10/22/phoenix-suns-devin-booker-tyrell-terry-next-splash-brothers/3734971001/

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Post#1912 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:45 pm

Mike Schmitz (@Mike_Schmitz) Tweeted:
New on ESPN+: The case for Onyeka Okongwu as the best center in the 2020 draft. Also, evaluating potential 1st rounder Daniel Oturu, Pac-12 Freshman of the Year Zeke Nnaji, and co-SEC Player of the Year Reggie Perry after watching them workout in Vegas/LA. https://t.co/AcmzZ5qvhz
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Post#1913 » by RedIndian » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:56 pm

It looks like we are targeting a PG in the draft if our interview process is anything to by. PG does seem to be the position of depth in this draft. If I had to rank the PG prospects tier-wise, this would be my rating:

Tier 1

Ball
Haliburton
Hayes

Tier 2

Kira Lewis
Cole Anthony
Tyrell Terry
Theo Maledon

Tier 3

RJ Hampton
Tre Jones
Devon Dotson
Nico Mannion

Tier 4

Malachi Flynn
Cassius Winston
Grant Riller
Payton Pritchard


In Tier 1, my favourite pick, all things considered, is still Haliburton. Highest floor, and an underrated ceiling. I actually think he'll be a very high level starter and potentially even a borderline all-star. Just so many things he's good at. His steal and block numbers are absurdly good for a guard, and he's going to be a winning player. If he's there at #10 (highly unlikely), just take him and call it a day.

In Tier 2, frankly, I can be talked into taking any of them. I have no clear favourite. Kira is the quickest. Terry is the best shooter. Cole Anthony is the best ball-handler, and Maledon has the best size and is probably the best playmaker of the lot. It's frankly difficult to predict who turns out to be the best of that lot. If that's the pool we're choosing from, I hope we go for the guy who has the best work ethic and maturity. Typically, that's the fundamental reason in going from a good prospect to a great NBA player.

Tier 3 is best avoided frankly. There's something to work with with each of those prospects, but just too many flaws, and we need to avoid taking on a development project.

Tier 4 is worth taking a shot at if we traded back and got a later second pick. Riller is the best athlete of the group, and the most creative ball-handler. I can see him being a very good bench scorer, but I'm concerned about his defense and his shooting. Pritchard is the best shooter by far of the lot (perhaps even of the entire lot of PGs in the draft), and I think he could carve out a role for himself in the NBA, but he's not a good athlete at all. Winston is a savvy PnR operator and a nice shooter. I think he might become a decent DJ Augustin type reserve. Flynn is perhaps the most well-rounded player in that Tier 4, but I wonder if he won't have the same problem that Ty Jerome has in struggling to compete athletically in the NBA.
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Post#1914 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:58 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2020/10/22/phoenix-suns-devin-booker-tyrell-terry-next-splash-brothers/3734971001/

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Post#1915 » by phx#7 » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:29 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I am just not a general fan of overthinking something if you think a guy is the best player available for your team, culture and needs.


Based on what happened last year it seems highly unlikely this would be the case. Pretty much everyone crushed the Suns for picking Johnson where they did, but it turned out pretty solid.
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Post#1916 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:44 pm

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Really interested in the workouts/ interviews for Oturu and Perry. Both are very versatile and mobile. And have big time upside as multipositional impact players. Also interested to see if Naji mentions improved focus on the defensive ( rim protection / weakside defense) side of the ball. His energy and fluidity is elite. But for a guy whose 6'11 quick, long, and athletic, He really should be better defensively.
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Post#1917 » by Saberestar » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:06 pm

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2020/10/22/phoenix-suns-devin-booker-tyrell-terry-next-splash-brothers/3734971001/

Are Phoenix Suns closer to selecting Stanford's Tyrell Terry in 2020 draft?

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Post#1918 » by bwgood77 » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:45 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:I am just not a general fan of overthinking something if you think a guy is the best player available for your team, culture and needs.


Based on what happened last year it seems highly unlikely this would be the case. Pretty much everyone crushed the Suns for picking Johnson where they did, but it turned out pretty solid.


I agree and don't think they will trade down too far if they do. I don't think they would risk trying to trade down in the 20s to take someone like Bane...perhaps a few spots like last year. Kira Lewis and Tyrell Terry are ranked in many mocks and boards in the 20s as well but either one could probably easily go within a few spots of #10. We even know these names a lot more and they are being talked about more than Cam was last year so it's probably a bigger risk to try trading down to far if they want one of those 3 guys, because if other teams covet any of these guys, they may try to leapfrog the Suns to take one or more of them.
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Post#1919 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:26 pm

Chris Feller (@chrisfellertwtr) Tweeted:
In preparation for the NBA Draft, I've compiled 20 mock drafts from various draft analysts to create a survival analysis which calculates the probability of a prospect being available at each draft slot (1/n)

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Post#1920 » by Kerrsed » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:32 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I agree and don't think they will trade down too far if they do. I don't think they would risk trying to trade down in the 20s to take someone like Bane...perhaps a few spots like last year. Kira Lewis and Tyrell Terry are ranked in many mocks and boards in the 20s as well but either one could probably easily go within a few spots of #10. We even know these names a lot more and they are being talked about more than Cam was last year so it's probably a bigger risk to try trading down to far if they want one of those 3 guys, because if other teams covet any of these guys, they may try to leapfrog the Suns to take one or more of them.


I think something similar. Seems like we like Lewis/Terry/Bane according to reports for the past few weeks. All 3 are guards that are mocked to go later in the 1st. My guess is that we will trade back a few spots, grab a player from that team along with their later pick. Im also guessing that the player we trade for will be a Big and the drafted player will be a Guard. Seems like Guards have a smaller chance to bust, so roll the dice on that and get a big that has already shown he belongs in the league. Im sure we have those 3 names in some kind of order where if we do trade down we try for one guy, if he's gone we are ok with going to the next name (And so on).

If we look at history, Jones has been GM for 2 drafts now, and in both drafts we have made a move (Zhaire Smith+Miami 2021 1st for Bridges in 2018) and (Culver for Saric/Cam in 2019).

I still think that our best option is trading our pick for 2 of Boston's 3 1st round picks. They will not be drafting and developing 3 players this upcoming season. Besides getting a guard with the earlier pick we could score a nice back-up big with the late 1st. From there we still have Oubre we can try to trade to see if we can further improve that way.

Now the question is what teams drafting a bit after us would be looking to move up and what player on their team can we score for the privilege to move up? Im looking in the ORL/POR/MIN/DAL/BKLYN/MIA/PHI/DEN/UTA/MIL/OKC/BOS range
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