Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 6

[lilfishi22]

If Spurs are keen on making a deep playoff run AND re-loading with young assets for next season.

I would offer for Kawhi Leonard... As mentioned many times previously.


I would offer either Suns 2018 pick OR Josh Jackson as center piece.

And additonal 2018 Heat and Bucks picks OR Warren.

And to sweeten it... Chriss... (lol)

If he's willing to re-sign I'd give up the pick AND JJ. There really isn't a better fit for Booker than Kawhi Leonard.

It'd be hard to give up both but we talking Kawhi Leonard here. Would be difficult to look past, especially if we could retain our mid 1st rounder from Miami this year to pick up a big who's hopefully sliding.

[bwgood77]

I think Spurs may look to blow it up and rebuild in the summer so Kawhi could be a more attainable star than Anthony Davis. He only has a year left on his deal but he’s a pretty loyal guy that I think would stay if it looks like the Suns a promising team on the rise.

Of course the renowned Suns training staff would have to okay it and feel comfortable with him and his injuries.

What makes you think the Spurs will "blow it up and rebuild"? They've been in the 3 seed all year without him. I think they are holding him out so he's healthy next year. I read recently about the great rep of their training staff and how they do so well keeping guys playing so late in their careers...like into their late 30s.

They just re-upped Aldridge. We'll see if Leonard and the Spurs agree to an extension this summer. But that is a mysterious injury.

If he was healthy I still wouldn't give up Booker for him. I don't see what else from us would move the needle over what someone else might offer. I don't think any of our other players are guys they would want. They are not going to be a team that wants to be in the lottery. They would probably want a package of players and picks IN the small chance they want to trade him.

[carey]

Everyone's seen it but it doesn't make him a headcase. IMO it appears to be more mismanagement rather than a mental issue.

So.. you haven't read it then.

[jcsunsfan]

I Kahwi going to be healthy? I would be concerned about that. If San Antonio is willing to trade him, its probably because he is damaged goods.

[bwgood77]

What about a poll Aaron Gordon for $20m?

Orlando match anyway or they lose all of Payton, Oladipo, Harris, Hezonja, Gordon, Sabonis for nothing.

I thought about a poll with the likely three roads regarding Gordon...

Renounce Payton and non guaranteed guys to sign him.

Trade Milwaukee first to dump Chandler (or maybe Dudley) along with non guaranteed guys to sign Payton and Gordon. (not sure Milwaukee first would do it, but maybe would).

Keep Payton, Williams, Reed, 1st round picks and use MLE on vet FA (even if only 1 year deal) instead of signing Gordon.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Boston has to go for it if Leonard is available:

Tatum, Morris, Smart, Sacramento 2019, Memphis 2019, Clippers 2019

We wouldn't be able to beat that with rental risk.

[Revived]

I think Spurs may look to blow it up and rebuild in the summer so Kawhi could be a more attainable star than Anthony Davis. He only has a year left on his deal but he’s a pretty loyal guy that I think would stay if it looks like the Suns a promising team on the rise.

Of course the renowned Suns training staff would have to okay it and feel comfortable with him and his injuries.

What makes you think the Spurs will "blow it up and rebuild"? They've been in the 3 seed all year without him. I think they are holding him out so he's healthy next year. I read recently about the great rep of their training staff and how they do so well keeping guys playing so late in their careers...like into their late 30s.

They just re-upped Aldridge. We'll see if Leonard and the Spurs agree to an extension this summer. But that is a mysterious injury.

If he was healthy I still wouldn't give up Booker for him. I don't see what else from us would move the needle over what someone else might offer. I don't think any of our other players are guys they would want. They are not going to be a team that wants to be in the lottery. They would probably want a package of players and picks IN the small chance they want to trade him.

Well one of the reasons I think they will trade him is because Kawhi is reportedly really upset with the Spurs for how they’ve handled his injury so they might not have good chance of resigning him and he might not want to leave.

As for resigning LMA, I think similar to what the Clippers did with Lou Williams, they resigned mainly imo so that they can trade him for a valuable piece rather than an expiring.

Pop is capable of winning with anything so he can still win with a blown up roster without Kawhi and LMA instead a bunch of nice young prospects.

[Revived]

What about a poll Aaron Gordon for $20m?

Orlando match anyway or they lose all of Payton, Oladipo, Harris, Hezonja, Gordon, Sabonis for nothing.

Repeated talk about getting Gordon/Capela or any of the real stars in the league isn't happening through free agency since we don't have enough cap space to sign someone outright. It has to happen through a trade moving a couple of our big salaries (Knight, Dudley, Chandler, Warren) along with draft assets and/or young players. Obviously a reasonably-aged, playoff-tested, star PF or C would be a great acquisition this summer in a trade. Not sure who would be an "acquirable" target ... someone that's not a pipe dream.

Otherwise, in free agency the best we can hope for is to fill our bench with quality veterans on one year contracts by waiving a few of the young guys who aren't NBA caliber players.

But...but...but...hasn’t McDonough been telling everyone who will listen about how the Suns are among the top 5-6 teams with most cap space this summer? He said it again last week in that long interview with Arizona Sports.

[cberry78]

What about a poll Aaron Gordon for $20m?

Orlando match anyway or they lose all of Payton, Oladipo, Harris, Hezonja, Gordon, Sabonis for nothing.

I thought about a poll with the likely three roads regarding Gordon...

Renounce Payton and non guaranteed guys to sign him.

Trade Milwaukee first to dump Chandler (or maybe Dudley) along with non guaranteed guys to sign Payton and Gordon. (not sure Milwaukee first would do it, but maybe would).

Keep Payton, Williams, Reed, 1st round picks and use MLE on vet FA (even if only 1 year deal) instead of signing Gordon.

How about an AG poll based on salary ranges? 10-12M, 13-15M, etc, and see what he's actually valued at since we already know the majority on the board would take him (for a price obviously).

[bwgood77]

I think Spurs may look to blow it up and rebuild in the summer so Kawhi could be a more attainable star than Anthony Davis. He only has a year left on his deal but he’s a pretty loyal guy that I think would stay if it looks like the Suns a promising team on the rise.

Of course the renowned Suns training staff would have to okay it and feel comfortable with him and his injuries.

What makes you think the Spurs will "blow it up and rebuild"? They've been in the 3 seed all year without him. I think they are holding him out so he's healthy next year. I read recently about the great rep of their training staff and how they do so well keeping guys playing so late in their careers...like into their late 30s.

They just re-upped Aldridge. We'll see if Leonard and the Spurs agree to an extension this summer. But that is a mysterious injury.

If he was healthy I still wouldn't give up Booker for him. I don't see what else from us would move the needle over what someone else might offer. I don't think any of our other players are guys they would want. They are not going to be a team that wants to be in the lottery. They would probably want a package of players and picks IN the small chance they want to trade him.

Well one of the reasons I think they will trade him is because Kawhi is reportedly really upset with the Spurs for how they’ve handled his injury so they might not have good chance of resigning him and he might not want to leave.

As for resigning LMA, I think similar to what the Clippers did with Lou Williams, they resigned mainly imo so that they can trade him for a valuable piece rather than an expiring.

Pop is capable of winning with anything so he can still win with a blown up roster without Kawhi and LMA instead a bunch of nice young prospects.

The Spurs don't seem like a team that would ever trade a superstar and would even let it get to free aency and make their pitch......UNLESS he let them know he was leaving. They let Duncan get to FA when it was highly rumored and expected he would join TMac and Grant Hill in Orlando. They seem pretty good at convincing guys to stay there if there is a question.

[bwgood77]

What about a poll Aaron Gordon for $20m?

Orlando match anyway or they lose all of Payton, Oladipo, Harris, Hezonja, Gordon, Sabonis for nothing.

Repeated talk about getting Gordon/Capela or any of the real stars in the league isn't happening through free agency since we don't have enough cap space to sign someone outright. It has to happen through a trade moving a couple of our big salaries (Knight, Dudley, Chandler, Warren) along with draft assets and/or young players. Obviously a reasonably-aged, playoff-tested, star PF or C would be a great acquisition this summer in a trade. Not sure who would be an "acquirable" target ... someone that's not a pipe dream.

Otherwise, in free agency the best we can hope for is to fill our bench with quality veterans on one year contracts by waiving a few of the young guys who aren't NBA caliber players.

But...but...but...hasn’t McDonough been telling everyone who will listen about how the Suns are among the top 5-6 teams with most cap space this summer? He said it again last week in that long interview with Arizona Sports.

We do, we have about $21 million if you renounce cap holds and don't guarantee contracts. That just shrinks with each circumstance. Want to keep Payton? Can't renounce his cap hold so that shaves $10 million off that cap space...or sign him for less and shave a little less off that $21. Keep Sauce? Guarantee his $5.5 million....so that brings the $21-$11 down to $5.5....keep Reed? Take off another $1.4....keep Ulis..take off another $1.5. Keep Peters?

Our cap space was kind of used on Payton if we keep him...particularly if we want to keep Reed, Ulis and Williams. Of course it largely depends on how much we pay Payton. But to clear enough space to sign Gordon most of those players or trading another guy like Chandler or Dudley which would require a pick would have to happen.

[Revived]

Repeated talk about getting Gordon/Capela or any of the real stars in the league isn't happening through free agency since we don't have enough cap space to sign someone outright. It has to happen through a trade moving a couple of our big salaries (Knight, Dudley, Chandler, Warren) along with draft assets and/or young players. Obviously a reasonably-aged, playoff-tested, star PF or C would be a great acquisition this summer in a trade. Not sure who would be an "acquirable" target ... someone that's not a pipe dream.

Otherwise, in free agency the best we can hope for is to fill our bench with quality veterans on one year contracts by waiving a few of the young guys who aren't NBA caliber players.

But...but...but...hasn’t McDonough been telling everyone who will listen about how the Suns are among the top 5-6 teams with most cap space this summer? He said it again last week in that long interview with Arizona Sports.

We do, we have about $21 million if you renounce cap holds and don't guarantee contracts. That just shrinks with each circumstance. Want to keep Payton? Can't renounce his cap hold so that shaves $10 million off that cap space...or sign him for less and shave a little less off that $21. Keep Sauce? Guarantee his $5.5 million....so that brings the $21-$11 down to $5.5....keep Reed? Take off another $1.4....keep Ulis..take off another $1.5. Keep Peters?

Our cap space was kind of used on Payton if we keep him...particularly if we want to keep Reed, Ulis and Williams. Of course it largely depends on how much we pay Payton. But to clear enough space to sign Gordon most of those players or trading another guy like Chandler or Dudley which would require a pick would have to happen.

Alan Williams is on non guaranteed? Oh wow, I simply thought his contract had a team option for the 3rd year.

I do wonder if they pick that up or not. Meniscus is a serious injury and Williams wasn’t athletic to begin with...we could resign him just for being a good locker room guy who can’t play basketball but we already have Dudley for that.

[thamadkant]

Suns can add all the picks They have from other teams to help push the deal on their side though

[DirtyDez]

Boston has to go for it if Leonard is available:

Tatum, Morris, Smart, Sacramento 2019, Memphis 2019, Clippers 2019

We wouldn't be able to beat that with rental risk.

The Spurs would need a blue chip player or pick which is why Doncic is brought up. Jackson is kind of a freeballer and had some red flags coming out so I'm not sure they wouldn't prefer Bender instead.

Top-3 pick (Doncic)
Bender
Dudley or Chandler to fill salary
Mia 1st
Future 1st

That is if he would sign a max deal.

[bwgood77]

What about a poll Aaron Gordon for $20m?

Orlando match anyway or they lose all of Payton, Oladipo, Harris, Hezonja, Gordon, Sabonis for nothing.

I thought about a poll with the likely three roads regarding Gordon...

Renounce Payton and non guaranteed guys to sign him.

Trade Milwaukee first to dump Chandler (or maybe Dudley) along with non guaranteed guys to sign Payton and Gordon. (not sure Milwaukee first would do it, but maybe would).

Keep Payton, Williams, Reed, 1st round picks and use MLE on vet FA (even if only 1 year deal) instead of signing Gordon.

How about an AG poll based on salary ranges? 10-12M, 13-15M, etc, and see what he's actually valued at since we already know the majority on the board would take him (for a price obviously).

Feel free to start a thread and poll if you would like on the subject. I just started a thread on the trade board to assess what they all think he is worth and what Orlando will match. I think they are pretty likely to match most anything particularly up to at least $15 million, and then even with each slot we could sign him at, it would likely cost Payton, a pick to move Chandler/Dudley, along with not keeping Sauce, Reed, etc.

[lilfishi22]

Everyone's seen it but it doesn't make him a headcase. IMO it appears to be more mismanagement rather than a mental issue.

So.. you haven't read it then.

I think it's clear he changed his jumpshot during the offseason and it wasn't under the direction of the Sixers. Whether it coincided with a shoulder injury or it was the cause of the injury, it meant he was learning his new shot, (ie creating new muscle memory) while being injured. Since he's been back to being healthy, he's basically had to unlearn the ugly shot while learning another new shot. That's 3 things he's had to do which requires time and repetitions; learn a new shot, practice a new shot while injured, learn yet again another new shot since he's become healthy.

I say it's more mismanagement rather than him being a 'head case' because had he been managed properly, he should've never changed his jumper. Under the guidance of an NBA team, they would've sat him and had him work on other things if it meant the shoulder injury is affecting and changing the way he shoots. He has some mental hurdles he does have to get over as the article alludes to but again unless he can never get his shooting back due to these mental hurdles, I think it's way too soon to call him a head case.

[Son of Ra]

Boston has to go for it if Leonard is available:

Tatum, Morris, Smart, Sacramento 2019, Memphis 2019, Clippers 2019

We wouldn't be able to beat that with rental risk.

The Spurs would need a blue chip player or pick which is why Doncic is brought up. Jackson is kind of a freeballer and had some red flags coming out so I'm not sure they wouldn't prefer Bender instead.

Top-3 pick (Doncic)
Bender
Dudley or Chandler to fill salary
Mia 1st
Future 1st

That is if he would sign a max deal.

Pretty close to what I think we actually will offer this off-season (if there is the slightest chance of him being available.)
PHX 1st
MIA 1st
Bender
Warren
Filler
Future/MIL 1st

[bigfoot]

What about a poll Aaron Gordon for $20m?

Orlando match anyway or they lose all of Payton, Oladipo, Harris, Hezonja, Gordon, Sabonis for nothing.

Repeated talk about getting Gordon/Capela or any of the real stars in the league isn't happening through free agency since we don't have enough cap space to sign someone outright. It has to happen through a trade moving a couple of our big salaries (Knight, Dudley, Chandler, Warren) along with draft assets and/or young players. Obviously a reasonably-aged, playoff-tested, star PF or C would be a great acquisition this summer in a trade. Not sure who would be an "acquirable" target ... someone that's not a pipe dream.

Otherwise, in free agency the best we can hope for is to fill our bench with quality veterans on one year contracts by waiving a few of the young guys who aren't NBA caliber players.

But...but...but...hasn’t McDonough been telling everyone who will listen about how the Suns are among the top 5-6 teams with most cap space this summer? He said it again last week in that long interview with Arizona Sports.

Definitely among the top 5-9. The top 4 who could have $30M to $60M available are Lakers, Bulls, Sixers, and Hawks. Then there are a bunch of teams like us who could eek out $20M or so ... Suns, Mavs, Magic, Kings, Nets. Sadly Sixers and Lakers look like decent landing spots for the big names out there this summer.

[lilfishi22]

I think Spurs may look to blow it up and rebuild in the summer so Kawhi could be a more attainable star than Anthony Davis. He only has a year left on his deal but he’s a pretty loyal guy that I think would stay if it looks like the Suns a promising team on the rise.

Of course the renowned Suns training staff would have to okay it and feel comfortable with him and his injuries.

What makes you think the Spurs will "blow it up and rebuild"? They've been in the 3 seed all year without him. I think they are holding him out so he's healthy next year. I read recently about the great rep of their training staff and how they do so well keeping guys playing so late in their careers...like into their late 30s.

They just re-upped Aldridge. We'll see if Leonard and the Spurs agree to an extension this summer. But that is a mysterious injury.

If he was healthy I still wouldn't give up Booker for him. I don't see what else from us would move the needle over what someone else might offer. I don't think any of our other players are guys they would want. They are not going to be a team that wants to be in the lottery. They would probably want a package of players and picks IN the small chance they want to trade him.

Well one of the reasons I think they will trade him is because Kawhi is reportedly really upset with the Spurs for how they’ve handled his injury so they might not have good chance of resigning him and he might not want to leave.

As for resigning LMA, I think similar to what the Clippers did with Lou Williams, they resigned mainly imo so that they can trade him for a valuable piece rather than an expiring.

Pop is capable of winning with anything so he can still win with a blown up roster without Kawhi and LMA instead a bunch of nice young prospects.

Wasn't one of the reasons he wasn't happy was with the outlook of the team with respect to their cap situation and roster as well? They extended LMA to another 2yr deal and resigned Gasol at $16m a year for another 2. They are still a top tier team in the West even without Kawhi but I think they are fairly limited in what they can do going forward with no cap space for a few more seasons. IMO his best bet is still to stay with the Spurs since they are a historically winning franchise with a respected and capable front office but at the same time, I could see why he would want to move leave if he sees the Spurs dynasty potentially coming to an end.

[Son of Ra]

FWIW I work for a stone company in PHX and my delivery driver just made a delivery to Scottsdale/PV area. The contractor on site told him it was Jason Kidd’s new house. Not sure what to make of it or if it’s even true. Thought it was worth mentioning.


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Great, now I'll be super worried up until at least the off-season