The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

Post #1941 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 6:01 am

SF88 wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Well at least Bledsoe has been working out this offseason!

http://instagram.com/p/rKG6uyAXzn/?modal=true

Look at the gym that he's working out at...

Yeah noticed that. But it makes sense though, his agent and his best mate is in Cleveland.

jcsunsfan · Post #1942 » by **jcsunsfan** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 6:04 am

JTrain wrote:
SF88 wrote:
Jarlaxle0204 wrote:What's the deal with the thread on the general board that says Bledsoe wants to play with Lebron. Sam Amico reporting this?

Has anyone else heard anything about this?

Then he should have done something about getting an offer from them. Guess they didn't want him as much as klove. If they want to deal Kyrie, fine. We can probably find a three way trade and move Kyrie for something valuable.

Fo-Real · Post #1943 » by **Fo-Real** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 6:05 am

Hope these new rumors ain't based off that stupid instagram pic, that **** is old as hell!!!

NaturalBuns · Post #1944 » by **NaturalBuns** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 6:11 am

I don't even think Kyrie can be traded..

Kyrie>>>Bledsoe by the way.

If Bledsoe wants to play that bad in CLE he will have to take a QO and ride out one year in PHX.

letsgosuns · Post #1945 » by **letsgosuns** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 6:18 am

If Bledsoe takes the qualifying offer and the Suns trade him (assuming Bledsoe agrees to the trade), does the team he is traded to own his Bird rights?

Revived · Post #1946 » by **Revived** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 6:32 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I'd argue most players would love to play with Lebron. Most also wouldn't give up money to play with him though.

Not true. Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Chris Anderson, Udonis Haslem, James Jones, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, among many others who I can't think of at this time.

I think a better way to your statement would be "Most players in their prime and especially getting their 1st contract after their rookie chump change contract wouldn't give up money to play with LeBron" and that I would agree with.

PS not tryin to nitpick your posts lol

Post #1947 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 6:54 am

SF88 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I'd argue most players would love to play with Lebron. Most also wouldn't give up money to play with him though.

Not true. Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Chris Anderson, Udonis Haslem, James Jones, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, among many others who I can't think of at this time.

I think a better way to your statement would be "Most players in their prime and especially getting their 1st contract after their rookie chump change contract wouldn't give up money to play with LeBron" and that I would agree with.

PS not tryin to nitpick your posts lol

That's why I said most wouldn't. There always will be ring chasers and vets who would be willing to play with Lebron on the cheap. Didn't think that needed to be said.

AtheJ415 · Post #1948 » by **AtheJ415** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 7:26 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
SF88 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I'd argue most players would love to play with Lebron. Most also wouldn't give up money to play with him though.

Not true. Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Chris Anderson, Udonis Haslem, James Jones, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, among many others who I can't think of at this time.

I think a better way to your statement would be "Most players in their prime and especially getting their 1st contract after their rookie chump change contract wouldn't give up money to play with LeBron" and that I would agree with.

PS not tryin to nitpick your posts lol

That's why I said most wouldn't. There always will be ring chasers and vets who would be willing to play with Lebron on the cheap. Didn't think that needed to be said.

Besides, all of those guys you listed didn't give up the amount Bledsoe would have to in order to land in Cleveland with 3 max deals already on their payroll.

sogood · Post #1949 » by **sogood** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 7:33 am

ray ray wrote:Take this for what is worth.. Don't be surprise when you start hearing rumors of a Eric Bledsoe for a Deron Williams from the nets. New scenery for both players.

* I'm not staying it's going to happen, just keep an eye on this.

I haven't read thru all the pages but this is what I've gathered from my sources... Look for a three team deal that would involved the Cavs, Suns and Wolves. Wolves: Anthony Bennett Eric Bledsoe Gerald Green Cavs: Kevin Love Suns: Andrew Wiggins Zac LaVine or Deion Waiters I'm sure there's some 1st ...

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Post #1950 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 7:41 am

sogood wrote:
ray ray wrote:Take this for what is worth.. Don't be surprise when you start hearing rumors of a Eric Bledsoe for a Deron Williams from the nets. New scenery for both players.

* I'm not staying it's going to happen, just keep an eye on this.

I haven't read thru all the pages but this is what I've gathered from my sources... Look for a three team deal that would involved the Cavs, Suns and Wolves. Wolves: Anthony Bennett Eric Bledsoe Gerald Green Cavs: Kevin Love Suns: Andrew Wiggins Zac LaVine or Deion Waiters I'm sure there's some 1st ...

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Saberestar · Post #1951 » by **Saberestar** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 9:46 am

Well, these two Bledsoe's photos are not news by any means. The one with Lebron was taken YEARS ago and the one training in Cleveland is from 2 months ago approximately. He has been working out in Atlanta recently, because he is living in Alabama but that is all we know.

Regarding Deron , I think he has past his prime and he is overpaid. I would say an easy NO, but if our medical staff think that he will be healthy and he is extremely agile and his ankles are great I would think about it...but that is very very improbable.

About Dion Waiters...I do not like this player too much, but I think he is good offensively and has some upside, so he is a real possibility. I would prefer another team involved, and make a 3 trade's team with Cleveland and get someone like Stauskas, Reggie Jackson or Marcus Smart.

Saberestar · Post #1952 » by **Saberestar** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 9:59 am

Reggie Jackson badly wants to be starter and to have an important role on a team...that is our chance...he is our new Eric Bledsoe, an starter who was coming of the bench on a contender.

I don’t think about ever coming off the bench for any team. If that’s the role I’m put in, that’s what I’m put in. But since the day I thought about playing in the NBA, I’ve always been a starter. Everything I’ve thought about, whether it be middle school, high school, kids leagues, I never envisioned coming off the bench. When you think about playing basketball, you see the first five guys get on the floor, and that’s something I’ve always prided myself on being. I want to be the best player I can be. I want to be the best player in the world. I don’t think those guys are necessarily coming off the bench. So I’ve never thought about that or even had that idea in the back of my mind.”

http://m.newsok.com/article/5338180

Minnesota trades: Pekovic, Barea
Minnesota gets: Bledsoe(Max), Shavlik

Oklahoma trades: Reggie Jackson, Kendrick Perkins
Oklahoma gets: Pekovic, Barea

Phoenix trades: Bledsoe, Shavlik
Phoenix gets: Reggie Jackson, Kendrick Perkins

thamadkant · Post #1953 » by **thamadkant** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 10:01 am

The only player that I want from Nets is Brook Lopez...
Plumlee and Lopez would be a big front court... Plumlee focus on rebounding and contesting shots, Lopez as the interior scorer.

Deron Williams... If he had 1 year left on his contract or atleast a team option 2nd year, might be worth an experiment or two... But being stuck with him for muliple years at 20-24 million is painful and franchise crippling.

If Suns are convinced Deron Williams will return to being a star PG, they may do it. But I don't see McD being enamoured with unathletic, not so physically gifted PGs... Even if he was an elite player.

Saberestar · Post #1954 » by **Saberestar** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 10:08 am

Marc Stein reported a scenario that has the Suns losing both Bledsoe/Dragic in 2015. Anyone else concerned here? Wht are we doing?

Paul Coro

It was always a known possibility but it became more real with how Bledsoe's free agency unfolded over the past two months.

They've talked to teams, likely more incoming calls than outgoing ones, about Bledsoe but the priority remains to resign him.

King4Day · Post #1955 » by **King4Day** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 12:12 pm

letsgosuns wrote:If Bledsoe takes the qualifying offer and the Suns trade him (assuming Bledsoe agrees to the trade), does the team he is traded to own his Bird rights?

That could be the best case scenario for us. While it's not a big win in terms of returned assets, I'd be happy getting Waiters. He's still young and could allow us a year or so to see if he could be part of our future. Otherwise, deal him.

King4Day · Post #1956 » by **King4Day** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 12:17 pm

ray ray wrote:Take this for what is worth.. Don't be surprise when you start hearing rumors of a Eric Bledsoe for a Deron Williams from the nets. New scenery for both players.

* I'm not staying it's going to happen, just keep an eye on this.

This rumor has to be coming from outside the Suns camp. I think Williams is owed 60 over the next 3 years. While Bledsoe could earn 60 over 4. Why would we take a severely injury prone player for and injury prone player with upside?
I'd lose all faith in McDonough if he did this.

Unless the goal was to make it a bigger deal that netted us Lopez too?

No-Man · Post #1957 » by **No-Man** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 3:33 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:I'd argue most players would love to play with Lebron. Most also wouldn't give up money to play with him though.

Cleveland can give him around 44-48m$ for 4 years if you agree in a S&T, with Waiters, non guaranteed contracts and a pick.
That's about what he's worth, probably wont accept that in Phoenix, but playing with LeBron and in the East? he will go all in for that opp.
I would consider it if I'm Phoenix, that's not a bad deal at all.

Calvin Klein · Post #1958 » by **Calvin Klein** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 3:55 pm

Really tired of this culture of forcing your way to a team in order to have an easier path to wins. It's **** boring.

aIvin adams · Post #1959 » by **aIvin adams** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 5:22 pm

Calvin Klein wrote:Really tired of this culture of forcing your way to a team in order to have an easier path to wins. It's **** boring.

i don't think that's what's happening

jcsunsfan · Post #1960 » by **jcsunsfan** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 5:25 pm

Calvin Klein wrote:Really tired of this culture of forcing your way to a team in order to have an easier path to wins. It's **** boring.

I agree. Really though, it's only LeBron. When players tried to do this in the past it failed miserably (Gary Payton, KarlMalone Lakers).

LeBron's plan didn't work like he planned either. They got two championships but not the dynasty he expected.

The Cleveland plan right now has some question marks too.