Potential Trade Thread

[asudevil]

Trade that'll never happen:

Suns trade:
Knight/Markieff/Tucker/Goodwin/Cavs 2016 First
Suns get:
Favors/Ariza/Brewer

Suns get their PF of the future. Ariza easily replaces Tucker, and they take on a terrible contract for their efforts. This allows them to go full youth mode for the rest of the year and have the young guys play hard and gain a decent 2016 pick.

Heat trade:
Whiteside/Bosh
Heat get:
Howard/Moti/Goodwin/Cavs 2016 First/Rockets 2016 First

Heat may not be able to resign Whiteside due to cap implications. Here they gain Howard (who they'll have his Bird Rights) and a young replacement for Bosh. They gain a ton of youth for their aging core.

Jazz trade:
Favors
Jazz get:
Knight/Jones

Jazz get the PG they need. Jones gives them a replacement for Favors (although not the same caliber player)

Rockets trade:
Howard/Jones/Moti/Brewer/2016 First
Rockets get:
Whiteside/Bosh/Markieff

Rockets do a bit of an overhaul. Whiteside gives them youth, while Bosh gives them a veteran presence in the frontcourt. They rid themselves of Brewers terrible contract, and potentially end up spending less on their roster next season than they would had they retained their players.

[thamadkant]

Suns need to keep Bledsoe and then package all their assets to get Cousins. Maybe keep Goodwin, Weems, one of Booker OR Warren.

Then get that 3rd star in the offseason.

[batsmasher]

I don't think the problem is that these guys haven't been told and shown what to do. I think the problem is that the talent doesn't fit.

100%

We'll surely that's a coaching failing. Trying to shoehorn players into a system rather than adapting to what's available.

I don't think there are too many systems that cater for a bunch of players with a collective bball IQ that you could count on one hand.

[bwgood77]

Who gives a s**t, Terrence Jones isn't the next Charles Barkley we shouldn't have to take on one of the worst contracts in the NBA to get an decent not great player in Jones. Jones btw is a player that most of their fans on their forum clutchfans hate similar to Bucks fans on Knight but who cares let's just hoard as many Kentucky players as possible.

I would rather just trade Kieff for an expiring contract like David Lee (expiring contract) then even if it's a 3 way but with us only getting Lee in return.

If the Suns want Terrence Jones oh so badly, then they can wait 6 months and sign him then when the Rockets aren't gonna care about matching the hefty contract he recieves since they have ton of talented big men plus would probably rather use money to get help for Harden on the perimeter, not the front court.

If we somehow miss out on him, oh well. T-Jones isn't some super hot prospect to cry over so no big loss.

Well, I'm not entirely sure they want him that bad. That's why I said IF they want Jones, that's what they have to do. I had originally thought Brewer only had one more year, so I certainly don't like the contract either but it would be nice to get a guy that might WANT to help the player night in and night out that we have complete control over. It's hard enough to get Free Agents, so Restricted ones are the best ones to have. He's still young, in a rookie contract, won a national championship, is athletic, and block shots and hit 3s.

I mean an athletic stretch 4 is kind of what we want. His age fits us. He can be a perimeter player. He has gotten much better shooting every year and shoots over 40% from 3. I don't know how many rookie contract PFs shoot over 40% from 3 but I'm guessing the list isn't long. He's really exactly the kind of player we need. athletic, shoots 3s well and can block shots.

I think getting restricted free agents is pretty valuable because you KNOW you have them. We knew we had Kieff but screwed that up, or the twins did it to themselves, so it would be best to get a guy you know you can keep instead of shoot for the stars on a FA star and miss.

Everyone is going to have cap space and the premier free agents are not likely going anywhere.

You are completely wrong on this one, IMO. Corey Brewer is a horrible shooter and is making 8.2 this year and 7.6 mil for 2 years after this year.

Brewer is worse than any shooter we have on our roster with the exception of Markieff. Yes that includes Tucker.

Brewer's numbers are:

TS% % .500 career and .450 this year and shoots .289 from the 3 point line. In addition Hornacek would play him and that would take minutes from both Warren and Booker.

I also have my doubts that Houston is going to hand over a future All Star for Markieff Morris. If we do make that trade my bet is that Jones signs elsewhere and we end up with only an over priced Brewer riding the bench.

SF 88 is right on the money with his opinion.

It would be cheaper and wiser to dump Hornacek and see if another voice in the locker room can make this thing work. It they continue to suck, then blow it up this summer.

I do not like Markieff but it hard for me to believe that his departure would be a cure all.

I'm not sure if you completely read my post, misunderstood it, or what. But I never said they wanted Brewer. I said they wanted Jones.

Who is the future all star? If it is Jones, you are strongly contradicting yourself because if they hand over Jones the cost is taking Brewer. NONE OF US WANT BREWER. Believe me, I've researched Brewer and I don't want him either.

As has been discussed, we would rather it work out other ways.

Anyway, I do agree that you and SF88 definitely think very much alike. Though for whatever reason, he doesn't like Jones, and thinks we obsess over Brewer, and I am not sure what you think...I think we all agree Brewer sucks, but I can't tell if you think I was saying I want to trade Kieff JUST for Brewer because they would never hand over a future all star in Jones or what?

If you are saying Jones is the all star and that he would leave in free agency, which is what you seem to state near the end, well in the case we trade for him we can match any offer since he is a RFA like when we traded for Knight which was my entire point. The value in trading for him and having to absorb a bad contract is that WE KNOW we can match any offer and have him locked up.

[bwgood77]

Suns need to keep Bledsoe and then package all their assets to get Cousins. Maybe keep Goodwin, Weems, one of Booker OR Warren.

Then get that 3rd star in the offseason.

It does kind of suck to continue to hope for an asset that is not for sale.

[Revived]

How is it now that I apparently "don't like "Jones when I've repeatedly said that I like him and don't mind him but I don't love him or have such a craving for him that I would take on a really terrible contract for him?

I would take Jones over what we have but not at the cost of taking on Brewer. I guess that makes not like Jones for "whatever reason"?

[bwgood77]

How is it now that I apparently "don't like "Jones when I've repeatedly said that I like him and don't mind him but I don't love him or have such a craving for him that I would take on a really terrible contract for him?

I would take Jones over what we have but not at the cost of taking on Brewer. I guess that makes not like Jones for "whatever reason"?

Oh well I took "want D-Mo over jones and Terrence Jones isn't the next Charles Barkley we shouldn't have to take on one of the worst contracts in the NBA to get an decent not great player in Jones. Jones btw is a player that most of their fans on their forum clutchfans hate similar to Bucks fans on Knight but who cares let's just hoard as many Kentucky players as possible" as you not liking him much.

You are not Sarver paying contracts so those are pretty irrelevant to what we can do with the salary cap going up....I would rather not have him, but I'd rather make the trade then not to see if our team would get better. Jones is exactly the type of player that fits our system, being athletic, high 3 pt shooter, can block shots, the same things I have stated before. You don't want to take him on and would rather trade for David Lee or Mirotic....that appear to me as not liking him much.

But if you do, cool.

[Qwigglez]

Suns get-
Kenneth Faried
Will Barton

Nuggets get-
Nene
Archie Goodwin
Wizards 2016 1st (Top 16 protected)
Cleveland 2016 1st
Miami 2017 1st

Wizards get-
Markieff Morris
PJ Tucker

So I'm trying to find a trade that lands the Suns both Kenneth Faried and Will Barton, but I couldn't see the Nuggets wanting Kieff or PJ if they were trying to tank. The Nuggets get really good value on two above average players with 3 picks plus Archie Goodwin being a solid prospect as well.

Wizards really want to make a strong playoff push and need a third scorer behind Wall/Beal and Kieff is the perfect guy for them. Plus, Kieff destroys Cleveland for whatever reason that may be. Or maybe he just destroys Love, either way it benefits the Wizards. PJ might be able to help guard Lebron occasionally in the playoffs.

For the Suns, we get our glue guy in Kenneth Faried. Someone the team can rely on to do the dirty work since apparently no one on the roster is capable of doing that. He's a high energy guy that hustles on both ends of the floor, but I think he'll help our guards a lot when they need to do that bail out in mid-air thing they tend to do because Faried is always in the right spot to catch the ball. Barton is an extremely productive player off the bench this year, and would love to have him on our squad. I'd start Faried with Len, and have Chandler come off the bench with Barton. So Warren would obviously be starting as well.

I know we kind of get the better end of the stick amongst all three teams, but what do you guys think? I think this kind of trade would put us back into the playoff push at least.

[TASTIC]

Suns get-
Kenneth Faried
Will Barton

Nuggets get-
Nene
Archie Goodwin
Wizards 2016 1st (Top 16 protected)
Cleveland 2016 1st
Miami 2017 1st

Wizards get-
Markieff Morris
PJ Tucker

So I'm trying to find a trade that lands the Suns both Kenneth Faried and Will Barton, but I couldn't see the Nuggets wanting Kieff or PJ if they were trying to tank. The Nuggets get really good value on two above average players with 3 picks plus Archie Goodwin being a solid prospect as well.

Wizards really want to make a strong playoff push and need a third scorer behind Wall/Beal and Kieff is the perfect guy for them. Plus, Kieff destroys Cleveland for whatever reason that may be. Or maybe he just destroys Love, either way it benefits the Wizards. PJ might be able to help guard Lebron occasionally in the playoffs.

For the Suns, we get our glue guy in Kenneth Faried. Someone the team can rely on to do the dirty work since apparently no one on the roster is capable of doing that. He's a high energy guy that hustles on both ends of the floor, but I think he'll help our guards a lot when they need to do that bail out in mid-air thing they tend to do because Faried is always in the right spot to catch the ball. Barton is an extremely productive player off the bench this year, and would love to have him on our squad. I'd start Faried with Len, and have Chandler come off the bench with Barton. So Warren would obviously be starting as well.

I know we kind of get the better end of the stick amongst all three teams, but what do you guys think? I think this kind of trade would put us back into the playoff push at least.

Our spacing would be SHOT with Faried at PF and Chandler/Len at C and Warren at the 3...Don't understand the love some people have for Faried.

He's shown ZERO improvement in any stat since entering the league, he's basically a high priced garbage man and he's not the type of PF/C the current NBA needs or uses for 30min a night. Look at his career - he is what he is. I don't want to pay a 12-9 guy who doesn't block shots, doesn't make his free throws and can't shoot threes $13-$14m over the next 4 years, even with the inflating cap. Would much rather Gallinari, but even he has his obvious shortfalls.



Love Barton though, that dude is a beast. So cheap though so Nuggets would need a lot to part with him I suspect.

Wizards would do that deal for sure - so I think it's pretty feasible apart from us landing Faried!

[thamadkant]

Firing Hornacek and getting a new coach with the wrong fitting players/system will just shift the blame to the next coach.

The structure and system is broken.

Have to ship a lot of players out and get players with different skill set and strength.

You have to also move one of Bledsoe and Knight to the bench... preferably Knight. Make him the Ginobili / Crawford type sixth man.

You need a big man that has a back to basket game that draws defenses in then kicks it out to the outside.




If Cousins is out...
Then try to get Brook Lopez.

Nets / Suns / Celtics
Celtics get Chandler + Weems
Nets get Lee + Tucker + J.Young + Suns first round pick 2016 (From Cavs via Celtics) + Suns first round pick 2018 (Heat)
Suns get Lopez

Suns / Rockets
Rockets get Morris
Suns get Jones + Brewer

Suns
C: Lopez
PF: Jones
SF: Warren
SG: Booker
PG: Bledsoe
PG/SG: Knight
SG: Goodwin
C: Len
SG/SF: Brewer
PF/C: Leuer
SF/PF: Teletovic
PG: Price

[AtheJ415]

Does anybody know if we trade Tele, does the new team get bird rights to Tele? I feel like, given just how well he's shooting and how cheap his deal is, that if we can give his bird rights in a move to a contender, we may be able to squeeze a protected first for him (preferably 2017 since we already have extra picks in 2016).

[TASTIC]

Does anybody know if we trade Tele, does the new team get bird rights to Tele? I feel like, given just how well he's shooting and how cheap his deal is, that if we can give his bird rights in a move to a contender, we may be able to squeeze a protected first for him (preferably 2017 since we already have extra picks in 2016).

I think you'd get more for Leuer than Teletovic to be honest, but even then you probably wouldn't get a 1st because (both guys) will be up for new deals and with the increasing cap both will want MLE+ money...

[RaisingArizona]

Today's the day! Send your trade prediction prize pool money to me.

[bigfoot]

Dipping my toe into the waters for possible trades

1) A electric cart from Walmart for Tyson Chandler
2) Two cans of Stickum for Ronnie Price (must be wrapped and gifted to Bledsoe and Knight for the holidays)
3) A DVD of "Its A Wonderful Life" for PJ Tucker
4) A pair of lightly used boxers from Goodwill for Markieff Morris

[SideSwipe]

I don't think the problem is that these guys haven't been told and shown what to do. I think the problem is that the talent doesn't fit.

100%

We'll surely that's a coaching failing. Trying to shoehorn players into a system rather than adapting to what's available.

Yeah, coach the team you have, not the team you want to have.

An adaptive system is the best way to go, not a rigid system. A rigid system will result in more round hole square peg scenarios. What made the Nash/D'Antoni Era so fun is it was the perfect pairing of adaptive free-flowing offense with the perfect adaptive free-flowing offensive point guard.

[Qwigglez]

Our spacing would be SHOT with Faried at PF and Chandler/Len at C and Warren at the 3...Don't understand the love some people have for Faried.

He's shown ZERO improvement in any stat since entering the league, he's basically a high priced garbage man and he's not the type of PF/C the current NBA needs or uses for 30min a night. Look at his career - he is what he is. I don't want to pay a 12-9 guy who doesn't block shots, doesn't make his free throws and can't shoot threes $13-$14m over the next 4 years, even with the inflating cap. Would much rather Gallinari, but even he has his obvious shortfalls.



Love Barton though, that dude is a beast. So cheap though so Nuggets would need a lot to part with him I suspect.

Wizards would do that deal for sure - so I think it's pretty feasible apart from us landing Faried!

Eh, just trying to think outside the box. Not a huge fan of Faried I just thought maybe if we got a guy that would do the dirty work it would boost our teams to want to work hard. I'm sure if we did a deal with the Nuggets we'd try and get Gallinari over Faried since Faried isn't a typical McD kind of guy.

[saintEscaton]

The Manimal is like a slightly better rebounding Tucker without spot up range that extends to the corner three. Easily one of the worst defenders at his position. He's an undersized tweener / Energizer Bunny who can crash the boards, secures new possesion d give you second chance opportuntieis but he's on a 5 year near max deal .Thats worse value than DeMarre Carroll tbh. Pass. We've seen the return of the Rooster in the Mile High City but Gallo is already 27 and getting him would cut into Warren's minutes at the 3. Don't wanna part with any long term pieces for a stop gap SF

[TeamTragic]

Noah/Gibson on the block for a wing. Work your magic McD!

[gaspar]

Does anybody know if we trade Tele, does the new team get bird rights to Tele? I feel like, given just how well he's shooting and how cheap his deal is, that if we can give his bird rights in a move to a contender, we may be able to squeeze a protected first for him (preferably 2017 since we already have extra picks in 2016).

The Suns don't have Mirza's bird rights. If we want to re-sign him next summer we will have to use cap space or the MLE.

[lilfishi22]

100%

We'll surely that's a coaching failing. Trying to shoehorn players into a system rather than adapting to what's available.

Yeah, coach the team you have, not the team you want to have.

An adaptive system is the best way to go, not a rigid system. A rigid system will result in more round hole square peg scenarios. What made the Nash/D'Antoni Era so fun is it was the perfect pairing of adaptive free-flowing offense with the perfect adaptive free-flowing offensive point guard.

The problem is the dual PG back court which is severely lacking in playmaking skills and bball IQ. Early Tony Parker had the same playmaking issues but he also played with one of the GOAT in Timmie in an offense run by Pops which made a high BBall IQ Timmie their #1 offensive option.

We're lacking BBall IQ in many positions