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Re: Trade and free agency speculation 

Post#1941 » by TeamTragic » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:52 pm

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That would be a smokescreen. Besides Gambo doesn't know anything.


Why a smokescreen? Suns needed a point guard more than a wing in that draft. They still need a point guard.

Gambo got too big for his britches. He gets some good info. He gets some bad info. He is annoying.


It was a smokescreen. McD wanted Jackson and he trolled Ainge.
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Re: Trade and free agency speculation 

Post#1942 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:06 pm

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Look at the numbers. Rather pay him $3 mil next year than Van Fleet $9 mil

Disagree. We don't need a player like Napier at all.

For the Suns:
VanVleet at $9M > nothing > Napier at $3M


If the best option is Napier - why not do Milos Teodosic from the Clippers for like Reed. Or Beverly for Reed. Both are better players and more what the Suns need.


I think the Clips will not guarantee Beverley or Teodosic anyway so I'd hold off trading something for them.
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Re: Trade and free agency speculation 

Post#1943 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:08 pm

jredsaz wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:


That would be a smokescreen. Besides Gambo doesn't know anything.


Why a smokescreen? Suns needed a point guard more than a wing in that draft. They still need a point guard.

Gambo got too big for his britches. He gets some good info. He gets some bad info. He is annoying.


Both of those articles cite Ford, not Gambo. Not that Ford necessarily knew much either.
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Re: Trade and free agency speculation 

Post#1944 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:10 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:Third is Tyreke Hill - if the Suns have money for Van Vleet - I am callin on Tyreke


He's a little short though, and under contract with the Chiefs.

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Re: Trade and free agency speculation 

Post#1945 » by gaspar » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:17 pm

jredsaz wrote:
gaspar wrote:
jredsaz wrote:
Look at the numbers. Rather pay him $3 mil next year than Van Fleet $9 mil

Disagree. We don't need a player like Napier at all.

For the Suns:
VanVleet at $9M > nothing > Napier at $3M


Lol. Why is that?

Because an undersized gunner with a tunnel vision is the last thing we need. I would prefer to give Knight, Okobo, Ulis and Shaq one more chance than waste a roster spot on Napier.
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Re: Trade and free agency speculation 

Post#1946 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:21 pm

gaspar wrote:
jredsaz wrote:
gaspar wrote:Disagree. We don't need a player like Napier at all.

For the Suns:
VanVleet at $9M > nothing > Napier at $3M


Lol. Why is that?

Because an undersized gunner with a tunnel vision is the last thing we need. I would prefer to give Knight, Okobo, Ulis and Shaq one more chance than waste a roster spot on Napier.


Napier does not have tunnel vision; he's a solid passer. The problem with him for us is defense. I guess we could go the Blazers route and ignore backcourt defense, but I'd like to think we can do better.
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Re: Trade and free agency speculation 

Post#1947 » by gaspar » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:22 pm

jredsaz wrote:
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The massive amount of reporting at the time saying so.

Some examples?


http://arizonasports.com/story/1153362/report-suns-seeking-trade-draft-lonzo-ball/

https://nesn.com/2017/06/nba-rumors-suns-talking-trade-with-lakers-celtics-for-lonzo-ball/

Gambo wouldn't shut up about it either.

Ford is a known fraud and Gambo knows only what the Suns want him to know. The Suns use the media to set smokescreens during the draft season all the time, just like every other NBA franchise does.
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Post#1948 » by SuperSunsFan » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:24 pm

i absolutely do not get the reasoning behind the fascination for Ariza, he is no more a power forward than Josh Jackson, if they want an undersized 4 then why not just play JJ there and start Makal at 3. Sounds more like McD leveraging our future by putting our future caproom in a bind to overpay these average NBA players to hopefully get a few more wins in the short term to save his job.
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Post#1949 » by Christine-In-AZ » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:27 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
jredsaz wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
That would be a smokescreen. Besides Gambo doesn't know anything.


Why a smokescreen? Suns needed a point guard more than a wing in that draft. They still need a point guard.

Gambo got too big for his britches. He gets some good info. He gets some bad info. He is annoying.


Both of those articles cite Ford, not Gambo. Not that Ford necessarily knew much either.


The McD regime doesn't leak. That "Suns trying to move up for Ball" claim was either rumormill speculation embellished with the always handy "sources say", or it was intentionally floated out by the FO for possible effect. If purposely floated, why would they attach Ball's name to their want to move up to #2? Intention.

Suns may have been really trying to jump to 2, but if true, I'd bet it was in effort to get in front of the Celts or Sixers (whoever had #3) for fear one would take Jackson. Lakers were getting Ball, either at the 2 spot or 4..well? That would be one of McD's selling point to the Lakers brass for a trade.
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Re: Trade and free agency speculation 

Post#1950 » by jredsaz » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:31 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
jredsaz wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
That would be a smokescreen. Besides Gambo doesn't know anything.


Why a smokescreen? Suns needed a point guard more than a wing in that draft. They still need a point guard.

Gambo got too big for his britches. He gets some good info. He gets some bad info. He is annoying.


Both of those articles cite Ford, not Gambo. Not that Ford necessarily knew much either.


I'm aware. Read my post. Said Gambo was on it too, as in as well. Are we rewriting history here or am i the only one who remembers the suns strong interest in both of the top pg prospects last year?
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Post#1951 » by Jdiddy701 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:34 pm

I don’t see the Suns signing any of these free agents multiple years. We are going to see a lot of one year contracts or two with team option on second season. These free agents this year are hot garbage.

I hope the Suns can make a trade for better players. It’s go time McDonough.


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Post#1952 » by jredsaz » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:41 pm

gaspar wrote:

Ford is a known fraud and Gambo knows only what the Suns want him to know. The Suns use the media to set smokescreens during the draft season all the time, just like every other NBA franchise does.


Such a joke. You wanted sources, I got you sources.
Now there not good enough.

We had no point guard. We have no point guard. The two best prospects according to many experts (not me tho) in the draft were point guards yet we had no idea interest in them? In the previous four drafts we had drafted every position but a point guard.

Give me a break. We had interest in Lonzo and according to multiple reports valued him highly.
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Post#1953 » by jredsaz » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:42 pm

ChrisInAZ wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
jredsaz wrote:
Why a smokescreen? Suns needed a point guard more than a wing in that draft. They still need a point guard.

Gambo got too big for his britches. He gets some good info. He gets some bad info. He is annoying.


Both of those articles cite Ford, not Gambo. Not that Ford necessarily knew much either.


The McD regime doesn't leak. That "Suns trying to move up for Ball" claim was either rumormill speculation embellished with the always handy "sources say", or it was intentionally floated out by the FO for possible effect. If purposely floated, why would they attach Ball's name to their want to move up to #2? Intention.

Suns may have been really trying to jump to 2, but if true, I'd bet it was in effort to get in front of the Celts or Sixers (whoever had #3) for fear one would take Jackson. Lakers were getting Ball, either at the 2 spot or 4..well? That would be one of McD's selling point to the Lakers brass for a trade.


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Post#1954 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:46 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:I don’t see the Suns signing any of these free agents multiple years. We are going to see a lot of one year contracts or two with team option on second season. These free agents this year are hot garbage.

I hope the Suns can make a trade for better players. It’s go time McDonough.


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There are several flaws with the whole "wait til next year" perspective. First, next year's class isn't *that* much more impressive, especially when you consider the $$$ players will be looking for and the likelihood that their current teams will try to re-sign them. Second, most of the league will have cap space, increasing competition and increasing the cost of free agents. Third, what we've heard is that Devin wants to sign that max extension this summer rather than next, which greatly decreases the amount of space we'll have available. Fourth, everyone in this organization wants to compete ASAP, and further moves to delay our progress (like taking on a bad contract for another draft pick) will not be looked upon favorably by just about anyone. Fifth, if you do manage to get competitive this season, we'll have trade assets available to trade for significant new additions, and players will finally want to come here. Sixth, any four-year deal you sign next season (which is the likelihood for any decent FA, given the competition we'll face) will extend into the Ayton/Bridges first max year, at which time we can reasonably expect to have four max contracts on the books, before we include whatever FA acquisition we would make next season: not a problem for a contract we sign this offseason.

Phew! Guess that's more than a few. All these factors considered, I expect us to use this year's cap space.
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Post#1955 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:46 pm

jredsaz wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
jredsaz wrote:
Why a smokescreen? Suns needed a point guard more than a wing in that draft. They still need a point guard.

Gambo got too big for his britches. He gets some good info. He gets some bad info. He is annoying.


Both of those articles cite Ford, not Gambo. Not that Ford necessarily knew much either.


I'm aware. Read my post. Said Gambo was on it too, as in as well. Are we rewriting history here or am i the only one who remembers the suns strong interest in both of the top pg prospects last year?


I do remember Ford mentioning it. And then there is before and after the lottery....I am not sure. I never really for sure believe any of the rumors but I do remember people saying the Suns like Ball...I may just be remembering Ford. I don't remember any mention of them saying we liked Fultz.
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Post#1956 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:47 pm

jredsaz wrote:
gaspar wrote:

Ford is a known fraud and Gambo knows only what the Suns want him to know. The Suns use the media to set smokescreens during the draft season all the time, just like every other NBA franchise does.


Such a joke. You wanted sources, I got you sources.
Now there not good enough.

We had no point guard. We have no point guard. The two best prospects according to many experts (not me tho) in the draft were point guards yet we had no idea interest in them? In the previous four drafts we had drafted every position but a point guard.

Give me a break. We had interest in Lonzo and according to multiple reports valued him highly.


Well, we did have Bledsoe at the time, though there were trade rumors.
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Post#1957 » by Christine-In-AZ » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:57 pm

jredsaz wrote:
ChrisInAZ wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Both of those articles cite Ford, not Gambo. Not that Ford necessarily knew much either.


The McD regime doesn't leak. That "Suns trying to move up for Ball" claim was either rumormill speculation embellished with the always handy "sources say", or it was intentionally floated out by the FO for possible effect. If purposely floated, why would they attach Ball's name to their want to move up to #2? Intention.

Suns may have been really trying to jump to 2, but if true, I'd bet it was in effort to get in front of the Celts or Sixers (whoever had #3) for fear one would take Jackson. Lakers were getting Ball, either at the 2 spot or 4..well? That would be one of McD's selling point to the Lakers brass for a trade.


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Suns would've taken Ball at #4

Thinking more like a GM and less like a fan would help you understand why your claim has been countered, but if retorting with a conspiracy theory meme does it for you, that's fine.
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Post#1958 » by sunsbum » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:57 pm

If McD likes rondo then he likes ball imo. I also remember hearing the suns liked ball, and why wouldn't we? He's a great player that will make every guy around him better, that's like captain obvious **** right there.
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Post#1959 » by stoo » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:07 pm

i sense such a big surprise with sun's signing.... and then some counterarguments.... and eventually praising the choices :))) there are euroleague players as well... not one mentioned here... Anthony Randolf just parted with real madrid, and he was led by igor in slovenian national team
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Post#1960 » by Midnight_Suns » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:09 pm

I would be fine with Ball as long as we have enough shooters around him but the family baggage makes me incredibly hesitant. Really could be Kidd 2.0.

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