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Post#1961 » by GoodBehavior » Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:49 pm

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GoodBehavior wrote:The Suns will be a .500 team next year, and make the playoff the following year. Rookies will take a big jump in year 2. There's too much talent not to be a competitive team next year. Booker-Ayton-Tyler-Mikal-[free agent 4 signing]. Second Unit: Oubre-Warren-JJ-Melton-Holmes + Draft Pick.

Being 0.500 isn't some monumental task either, even for a 19 wins team. The Nets, Magic, and Pistons are 0.500 team. This team has just as much if not more talent than those teams.

Zion will take some time to develop. I doubt anyone, including scouts and GMs, knows how exactly he will fit on the offensive end on day 1.


Not sure if you are serious or not. We are nowhere close to be competitive team, seriously I will be delight if we will reach 30 wins next season. You comper us to Nets, Magic and Pistons, first of all, those teams are playing East, secondly they have great coaches (Atkins, Clifford and Casey) and somehow well established front office that understand that setiting new system needs time. Suns are completely on the other side and we don't have anything to think about being .500 team, it's pure fantasy.


Dead serious. Team get a quasi-pass for this year 19 wins season because you have 3 starting rookies and no PG for 90% of the season. There's really no excuse next year: Booker is a year older and entering the early stage of his prime. Ayton should be a top ten center/big man next year. Mikal should be a borderline elite lock down 3&D. Tyler is the energy combo guard who give you spacing. They'll need to sign a PF. Overall, that's a talented starting five. Bench unit looks good too.

30 wins would be a disappointment. Team have to be within fighting distance of 0.500.
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Post#1962 » by bwgood77 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:21 pm

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Yeah, I was thinking about this last night...it's tough. I never thought I would even think like that. For 23 years or so I remember it sucking when I thought we were going to have a tough time getting out of the first round. And we missed the playoffs a year here or there but would then make a good pick like Marion or Amare and get right back the next year.

I really don't see a path for us even getting back to the playoffs barring us getting Zion and his heart and fight being infectious.

I was looking forward to the max cap space this offseason which is why I was ok with the Ariza signing knowing with him and stretching Knight or then Anderson we could sign a max guy.

But because we have Tyler Johnson (who I actually really like, but probably in large part due to him being the first legit NBA caliber point guard we've played for a couple years, even if he is more of a backup combo guard...) and traded for Oubre, those are basically our BIG 2019 cap space FA signings....leaving us with about mid level type space.

Neither player is likely a starter on a good team, so it's pretty disappointing. I do like Oubre's attitude though, so that's a plus.


The Suns will be a .500 team next year, and make the playoff the following year. Rookies will take a big jump in year 2. There's too much talent not to be a competitive team next year. Booker-Ayton-Tyler-Mikal-[free agent 4 signing]. Second Unit: Oubre-Warren-JJ-Melton-Holmes + Draft Pick.

Being 0.500 isn't some monumental task either, even for a 19 wins team. The Nets, Magic, and Pistons are 0.500 team. This team has just as much if not more talent than those teams.

Zion will take some time to develop. I doubt anyone, including scouts and GMs, knows how exactly he will fit on the offensive end on day 1.


We have some talent. But they don't really play the right way, only a handful of guys play decent defense, can't shoot 3s, don't have a legit starting caliber PG or PF.

I think they could be a lot more competitive if they get an ok PG with the growth of young guys...especially if they get Zion but I'd be shocked if they get to 500 unless they add a major difference maker, guys like Ayton and Booker get and stay engaged on defense, etc.

Ayton I expect to take big steps. Booker I hope he gets his shooting touch back from 3. I hope the rest of the team gets better from 3. And at defense. Too much to hope for, especially in this west, to expect 500. We tanked and wasted too many high picks.

We will have to see what our offseason looks like though.
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Post#1963 » by grumpysaddle » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:21 pm

If Joe **** Prunty was coming off more as the vocal head coach than your actual head coach, it's probably the correct call to move on from that head coach. Hopefully the crappy assistant coaches are gone too. It kind of sucks, cause Igor would probably be a great assistant coach for this team focused solely on development. I doubt he got a lot of opportunity to work on development as head coach, which I think is probably where he'd shine brightest.
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Post#1964 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:54 pm

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The talk about 'Vanterpool' is probably just as a backup plan (or to make Monty realize it's not a definitive pick which could save us a few bucks on hiring him, I dunno)


You really think he already agreed to come here even though he has a second interview with the Lakers later this week? That would seem very odd to me but I guess you're not the first person to suggest it.

https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/23/sixers-allow-monty-williams-to-interview-with-suns-for-head-coach-job/


Think I might rather coach the Suns than the Lakers. Lower expectations, much more young talent, getting to be HC rather than co-HC with LeBron, knowing that you're unlikely to survive Lebron's tenure.... but then again, Los Angeles. IDK. I don't think it's that obvious a choice.

I kind of have to agree. The Suns don't really have anyone IMO that is uncoachable (ie Lebron right now), the pressure ad expectation is significantly less than the LA job and you don't have to deal with being in the national spotlight (unless we get Zion).
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Post#1965 » by bwgood77 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:57 pm

grumpysaddle wrote:If Joe **** Prunty was coming off more as the vocal head coach than your actual head coach, it's probably the correct call to move on from that head coach. Hopefully the crappy assistant coaches are gone too. It kind of sucks, cause Igor would probably be a great assistant coach for this team focused solely on development. I doubt he got a lot of opportunity to work on development as head coach, which I think is probably where he'd shine brightest.


Buying into the Gambo rhetoric?
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Post#1966 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:59 pm

With where the Jazz are, I wouldn't be surprised to see Igor go back there and for them to look even better season
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Post#1967 » by grumpysaddle » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:03 am

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grumpysaddle wrote:If Joe **** Prunty was coming off more as the vocal head coach than your actual head coach, it's probably the correct call to move on from that head coach. Hopefully the crappy assistant coaches are gone too. It kind of sucks, cause Igor would probably be a great assistant coach for this team focused solely on development. I doubt he got a lot of opportunity to work on development as head coach, which I think is probably where he'd shine brightest.


Buying into the Gambo rhetoric?

I don't give a **** about Gambo, but if players did say that, that says a lot. Prunty was always a questionable hire. I've also been perplexed at the Igor hire when they ended up drafting Ayton instead of Doncic, also. It was just weird.
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Post#1968 » by Frank Lee » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:16 am

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It’s a known fact in the circles, Monty and Jones go way back and talk regularly....

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Post#1969 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:42 am

lilfishi22 wrote:With where the Jazz are, I wouldn't be surprised to see Igor go back there and for them to look even better season


Yeah, I'm sure he likely goes back there unless he wants time off and doesn't get paid from the Suns if he goes back.
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Post#1970 » by SlovenianDragon » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:52 am

Russell had a terrible playoffs... Had to tank his value...Think we could get him for cheap? Do we want him at this point? I still do because of the D-book connection but man hes been stinking it up...
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Post#1971 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:04 am

SlovenianDragon wrote:Russell had a terrible playoffs... Had to tank his value...Think we could get him for cheap? Do we want him at this point? I still do because of the D-book connection but man hes been stinking it up...


Not sure why you think they would let him go. If we hadn't extended Booker last summer but made the playoffs this year on his back and he didn't play all that well would you be willing to not match another team's offer this year just because he didn't play well in the playoffs?
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Post#1972 » by SlovenianDragon » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:22 am

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SlovenianDragon wrote:Russell had a terrible playoffs... Had to tank his value...Think we could get him for cheap? Do we want him at this point? I still do because of the D-book connection but man hes been stinking it up...


Not sure why you think they would let him go. If we hadn't extended Booker last summer but made the playoffs this year on his back and he didn't play all that well would you be willing to not match another team's offer this year just because he didn't play well in the playoffs?


All im saying is Russell could end up worse than wiggins contract if some1 throws him the max....

Russell career 42% FG

Wiggins 44% FG

Russell got hyped for his short stretch of great games... But his career really says otherwise. He isn't a max player. Id take him on the suns for cheaper. But he could turn into just another chucker contract. Playoffs have exposed him pretty bad. If the Nets give him a big deal it could back fire in their face. Booker is a legit scorer. One of the best in the league. Russell is a high volume chucker.


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Post#1973 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:28 am

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SlovenianDragon wrote:Russell had a terrible playoffs... Had to tank his value...Think we could get him for cheap? Do we want him at this point? I still do because of the D-book connection but man hes been stinking it up...


Not sure why you think they would let him go. If we hadn't extended Booker last summer but made the playoffs this year on his back and he didn't play all that well would you be willing to not match another team's offer this year just because he didn't play well in the playoffs?


All im saying is Russell could end up worse than wiggins contract if some1 throws him the max....

Russell career 42% FG

Wiggins 44% FG

Russell got hyped for his short stretch of great games... But his career really says otherwise. He isn't a max player. Id take him on the suns for cheaper. But he could turn into just another chucker contract. Playoffs have exposed him pretty bad. If the Nets give him a big deal it could back fire in their face. Booker is a legit scorer. One of the best in the league. Russell is a high volume chucker.


IDK man.
Careful man kursed might suspend you for this Russell slander :)

He's a tricky player because he doesn't get to the line much and loves taking mid range shots but when he makes them he's good and he's a pretty good playmaker. When the shots don't fall he can hurt you more than help.

Overall he was good this year but hadn't been very good prior to this so it's always possible his run was an outlier. But could also be a young guy starting to figure it out.

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Post#1974 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:33 am

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SlovenianDragon wrote:Russell had a terrible playoffs... Had to tank his value...Think we could get him for cheap? Do we want him at this point? I still do because of the D-book connection but man hes been stinking it up...


Not sure why you think they would let him go. If we hadn't extended Booker last summer but made the playoffs this year on his back and he didn't play all that well would you be willing to not match another team's offer this year just because he didn't play well in the playoffs?


All im saying is Russell could end up worse than wiggins contract if some1 throws him the max....

Russell career 42% FG

Wiggins 44% FG

Russell got hyped for his short stretch of great games... But his career really says otherwise. He isn't a max player. Id take him on the suns for cheaper. But he could turn into just another chucker contract. Playoffs have exposed him pretty bad. If the Nets give him a big deal it could back fire in their face. Booker is a legit scorer. One of the best in the league. Russell is a high volume chucker.


IDK man.


I'm sure they don't want to give him a max, and even though his overall efficiency isn't great, he is a far better defender than Booker, a better passer and a better 3 pt shooter this past year...though they are equal in 3 pt shooting for their careers.

Ultimately I don't think he's the best fit with Booker...but of course he's better than anyone else we will likely get so I wouldn't argue against it. I don't think I'd want to give him a max. I imagine they will match anything somewhat reasonable.
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Post#1975 » by Frank Lee » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:23 am

We’re all going all in for Ja boys... face it....the upcoming PG rotation could likely be TJo, Ja, and Book, with luck.

I’m good with that and y’all should be too, it doesn’t suck. Beats 20 X 4 for Russell and searching for a PF with no money
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Post#1976 » by Blonde » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:48 am

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Cole Zwicker just revealed he had been doing analytics consulting work for the Suns this year. Apparently Jake Loos has left the franchise. I'd love to see us bring Cole on full time as a replacement.
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Post#1977 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:58 am

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Cole Zwicker just revealed he had been doing analytics consulting work for the Suns this year. Apparently Jake Loos has left the franchise. I'd love to see us bring Cole on full time as a replacement.


Yeah, I just posted this in the other thread. I had a suspicion he could be working for us and kept checking and inquiring and knew he was somewhere but never got confirmation where. I thought it was us or the Hawks.
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Post#1978 » by BobbieL » Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:07 am

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Read on Twitter


Cole Zwicker just revealed he had been doing analytics consulting work for the Suns this year. Apparently Jake Loos has left the franchise. I'd love to see us bring Cole on full time as a replacement.


Yeah, I just posted this in the other thread. I had a suspicion he could be working for us and kept checking and inquiring and knew he was somewhere but never got confirmation where. I thought it was us or the Hawks.

Did he post here? If yes, what was his ID?

Congrats to him
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Post#1979 » by bwgood77 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:16 am

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Read on Twitter


Cole Zwicker just revealed he had been doing analytics consulting work for the Suns this year. Apparently Jake Loos has left the franchise. I'd love to see us bring Cole on full time as a replacement.


Yeah, I just posted this in the other thread. I had a suspicion he could be working for us and kept checking and inquiring and knew he was somewhere but never got confirmation where. I thought it was us or the Hawks.

Did he post here? If yes, what was his ID?

Congrats to him


I doubt he posts here. There are Stepien writers who post on the forums though and I know one is doing draft video work/analysis for a team...could be us.
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Post#1980 » by Crives » Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:58 am

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