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2019 season speculation including trade ideas

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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#1961 » by Barkley6 » Sat Dec 7, 2019 1:53 am

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Qwigglez wrote:Would still welcome KLove over many other players. He's still young enough to help the team out and I don't see him declining much from where he's at now. It's just the injury concern.

I am torn about it. Great player, of course, but the problem is that the league is getting younger because of the ridiculous fast pace.

Love is 31 years old and with all his past problems with injuries Kevin Love would be a HIGH RISK because he is under a long term contract. This season and three more.

At 32 - $31M
At 33 - $31M
At 34 - $29M


This is why I'm out on Love. He might be fine for this season, but that contract is going to suck when we have to start paying some of our younger guys in a couple years.
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Post#1962 » by TeamTragic » Sat Dec 7, 2019 1:58 am

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Qwigglez wrote:Would still welcome KLove over many other players. He's still young enough to help the team out and I don't see him declining much from where he's at now. It's just the injury concern.

I am torn about it. Great player, of course, but the problem is that the league is getting younger because of the ridiculous fast pace.

Love is 31 years old and with all his past problems with injuries Kevin Love would be a HIGH RISK because he is under a long term contract. This season and three more.

At 32 - $31M
At 33 - $31M
At 34 - $29M


This is why I'm out on Love. He might be fine for this season, but that contract is going to suck when we have to start paying some of our younger guys in a couple years.


Exactly. Zero interest in Love.
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Re: 2019 season speculation including trade ideas 

Post#1963 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sat Dec 7, 2019 2:46 am

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Qwigglez wrote:Would still welcome KLove over many other players. He's still young enough to help the team out and I don't see him declining much from where he's at now. It's just the injury concern.

I am torn about it. Great player, of course, but the problem is that the league is getting younger because of the ridiculous fast pace.

Love is 31 years old and with all his past problems with injuries Kevin Love would be a HIGH RISK because he is under a long term contract. This season and three more.

At 32 - $31M
At 33 - $31M
At 34 - $29M


This is why I'm out on Love. He might be fine for this season, but that contract is going to suck when we have to start paying some of our younger guys in a couple years.
Well due to horrid drafting the only rookie extensions it would overlap with is Ayton and Bridges and that would be the final year of Loves deal. If Sarver is willing to go into the tax that one season it's not a big deal. Plus chances are if the suns are good at some point near the end of that contract you'd look to use that contract as a salary match for a better/younger player.

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Post#1964 » by KLEON » Sat Dec 7, 2019 2:55 am

People here talking about Love, I would trade for Bertans. With Baynes and Ayton coming back soon, Bertans would be a nice replacement for Kaminsky
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Post#1966 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 7, 2019 3:11 am

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We should try and replicate their dominance while in Minnesota together. Such great times back then. Jeremy Lin the King of New York. Maybe sign him too.

Tbh, I like Love, but not at that money, even if we only gave Tyler and Dario. I sure as hell wouldn't give up a first or one of our wings for him. If they need to be blown away they are probably in for a surprise. He's not worth that contract, unless they take some bad money back.

I am not sure how much better he makes us though. Not good defensively, he would decline each year. He would mainly help with rebounding which shouldn't be a big problem when Ayton returns.

And the last 3 years he only averages 47 games a year. Most he played was 60.
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Post#1967 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sat Dec 7, 2019 3:23 am

If the suns do pair Ricky and Love they need to bring their old buddy Pek in as a coach. He could stare down Ayton when he's **** up and generally intimate people.

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Post#1968 » by Dual » Sat Dec 7, 2019 3:30 am

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We should try and replicate their dominance while in Minnesota together. Such great times back then. Jeremy Lin the King of New York. Maybe sign him too.

Tbh, I like Love, but not at that money, even if we only gave Tyler and Dario. I sure as hell wouldn't give up a first or one of our wings for him. If they need to be blown away they are probably in for a surprise. He's not worth that contract, unless they take some bad money back.

I am not sure how much better he makes us though. Not good defensively, he would decline each year. He would mainly help with rebounding which shouldn't be a big problem when Ayton returns.

And the last 3 years he only averages 47 games a year. Most he played was 60.

It would be some poetic justice for the duo, if Ricky didnt injured himself badly they probably went to the playoffs back in the days.
Doing it now would be amazing.
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Post#1969 » by Kerrsed » Sat Dec 7, 2019 6:49 am

Booker cant get whistles to save his life (At least 5 no calls a game), yet guys like AD get s**t like this all the time.

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Post#1970 » by sunsbum » Sat Dec 7, 2019 10:57 am

Save the chips and Ayton for KAT trade.
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Post#1971 » by sunskerr » Sat Dec 7, 2019 12:07 pm

Yeah. Don't worry about Love. Just get ready for KAT or a free agent. Don't want to blow up our future cap space like so many teams do all the time and they hit their ceiling because of it.
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Post#1972 » by Saberestar » Sat Dec 7, 2019 1:29 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Image


We should try and replicate their dominance while in Minnesota together. Such great times back then. Jeremy Lin the King of New York. Maybe sign him too.


Tbh, I like Love, but not at that money, even if we only gave Tyler and Dario. I sure as hell wouldn't give up a first or one of our wings for him. If they need to be blown away they are probably in for a surprise. He's not worth that contract, unless they take some bad money back.

I am not sure how much better he makes us though. Not good defensively, he would decline each year. He would mainly help with rebounding which shouldn't be a big problem when Ayton returns.

And the last 3 years he only averages 47 games a year. Most he played was 60.

:lol:

All this talk does not matter because Love is probably gonna be traded to a contender. A team like the Celtics or the Bucks can really use him to get to the Finals.

Love probably would not like to play for us. Yeah, we are in the race for the playoffs, but that is not too much for a player who already has won a ring and is declining.
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Post#1973 » by Barkley6 » Sat Dec 7, 2019 2:29 pm

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Barkley6 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:I am torn about it. Great player, of course, but the problem is that the league is getting younger because of the ridiculous fast pace.

Love is 31 years old and with all his past problems with injuries Kevin Love would be a HIGH RISK because he is under a long term contract. This season and three more.

At 32 - $31M
At 33 - $31M
At 34 - $29M


This is why I'm out on Love. He might be fine for this season, but that contract is going to suck when we have to start paying some of our younger guys in a couple years.
Well due to horrid drafting the only rookie extensions it would overlap with is Ayton and Bridges and that would be the final year of Loves deal. If Sarver is willing to go into the tax that one season it's not a big deal. Plus chances are if the suns are good at some point near the end of that contract you'd look to use that contract as a salary match for a better/younger player.

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Ayton and Bridges, yes, but we'll also have to make decisions on extending Baynes, Saric, Oubre and Rubio over the span of Love's contract. Having a $30m albatross on the books will make a lot of those decisions more about money than about basketball, which is a bad situation to be in.
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Post#1974 » by Dual » Sat Dec 7, 2019 2:34 pm

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This is why I'm out on Love. He might be fine for this season, but that contract is going to suck when we have to start paying some of our younger guys in a couple years.
Well due to horrid drafting the only rookie extensions it would overlap with is Ayton and Bridges and that would be the final year of Loves deal. If Sarver is willing to go into the tax that one season it's not a big deal. Plus chances are if the suns are good at some point near the end of that contract you'd look to use that contract as a salary match for a better/younger player.

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Ayton and Bridges, yes, but we'll also have to make decisions on extending Oubre, Saric and Rubio over the span of Love's contract. Having a $30m albatross on the books will make a lot of those decisions more about money than about basketball, which is a bad situation to be in.

Ricky shouldn't be a problem, he is more about being comfortable in a place that about money.
I remember he said while he was on Utah that he has already won enough money for him, his sons and grandsons.
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Post#1975 » by BobbieL » Sat Dec 7, 2019 2:38 pm

Gallo Love LMA

What would Tyler, Saric, a lottery protected first (20 - top 18; after that -just lottery) - maybe Jevon - what team takes that offer as that is really all I would give up for the above three players. And Gallo is expiring so its not like the Thunder aren't already getting long term cap space.
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Post#1976 » by Barkley6 » Sat Dec 7, 2019 3:23 pm

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Barkley6 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Well due to horrid drafting the only rookie extensions it would overlap with is Ayton and Bridges and that would be the final year of Loves deal. If Sarver is willing to go into the tax that one season it's not a big deal. Plus chances are if the suns are good at some point near the end of that contract you'd look to use that contract as a salary match for a better/younger player.

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Ayton and Bridges, yes, but we'll also have to make decisions on extending Oubre, Saric and Rubio over the span of Love's contract. Having a $30m albatross on the books will make a lot of those decisions more about money than about basketball, which is a bad situation to be in.

Ricky shouldn't be a problem, he is more about being comfortable in a place that about money.
I remember he said while he was on Utah that he has already won enough money for him, his sons and grandsons.


It doesn't mean we can't be outbid. Money may not be his PRIMARY concern, just as it wasnt for Nash, but if the Suns are valuing him at something like $5m less a year than any other team, he's going to leave. It's less about the money in the bank account and more about feeling like you're getting what you deserve to be paid. Otherwise, why wouldn't he just accept a minimum deal?
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Post#1977 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Dec 7, 2019 3:54 pm

Kerrsed wrote:Booker cant get whistles to save his life (At least 5 no calls a game), yet guys like AD get s**t like this all the time.

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Same BS different day with the craptastic Flakers being coddled by the refs ( league). I'm tell you guys, They've just been trying to engineer a Lakers/Celtics finals ever since the Davis trade fiasco...........

But it is what it is, They're not even original. Fostering old rivalries just to boost tv revenue and ratings....lol. :roll: And with respect to Booker, Kerrsed is absolutely right! It's pathetic that he can't even get any calls. Kind of blatant honestly. He's been handling it pretty well so far though! And hopefully it changes and balances out once we become more competitive. Also, Monty is getting better at actually standing up for his players and challenging the refs some. But overall, Yes, It's pretty terrible currently.
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Post#1978 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 7, 2019 4:34 pm

Saberestar wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Image


We should try and replicate their dominance while in Minnesota together. Such great times back then. Jeremy Lin the King of New York. Maybe sign him too.


Tbh, I like Love, but not at that money, even if we only gave Tyler and Dario. I sure as hell wouldn't give up a first or one of our wings for him. If they need to be blown away they are probably in for a surprise. He's not worth that contract, unless they take some bad money back.

I am not sure how much better he makes us though. Not good defensively, he would decline each year. He would mainly help with rebounding which shouldn't be a big problem when Ayton returns.

And the last 3 years he only averages 47 games a year. Most he played was 60.

:lol:

All this talk does not matter because Love is probably gonna be traded to a contender. A team like the Celtics or the Bucks can really use him to get to the Finals.

Love probably would not like to play for us. Yeah, we are in the race for the playoffs, but that is not too much for a player who already has won a ring and is declining.


I think Love would like to play with us actually. Jones the best teammate he has ever had. He is anxiety and depression prone and it's big having someone you are that close to to lean on during those times. It might be fun if we did get him and he stayed healthy and didn't decline much but I still wouldn't give up one of our wings or a draft pick (unless it was very heavily protected and turned into two secondds at some point)...but it would still leave us with so little wiggle room and maybe in the tax one year if he spent tons of time injured or declined greatly by the age of 23. And he's not much of a defender. I don't think he really moves the needle THAT much for us. I wouldn't really want Blake either unless we just gave up Saric and T Johnson and a heavily projected pick, but at least he expires sooner, is probably a smarter player with better passing, but really isn't best sitting at the 3 pt line.

They just don't seem like great options for multiple reasons I've mentioned before. I might like Aldridge less but he is probably a better option given his added 3 pt shooting, defense, and less expensive and shorter contract.
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Post#1979 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 7, 2019 4:37 pm

Barkley6 wrote:
Dual wrote:
Barkley6 wrote:
Ayton and Bridges, yes, but we'll also have to make decisions on extending Oubre, Saric and Rubio over the span of Love's contract. Having a $30m albatross on the books will make a lot of those decisions more about money than about basketball, which is a bad situation to be in.

Ricky shouldn't be a problem, he is more about being comfortable in a place that about money.
I remember he said while he was on Utah that he has already won enough money for him, his sons and grandsons.


It doesn't mean we can't be outbid. Money may not be his PRIMARY concern, just as it wasnt for Nash, but if the Suns are valuing him at something like $5m less a year than any other team, he's going to leave. It's less about the money in the bank account and more about feeling like you're getting what you deserve to be paid. Otherwise, why wouldn't he just accept a minimum deal?


I don't think another team will want Rubio with so many going younger and so many good ones coming in this year. There still are not that many teams without PGs. Plus Rubio has played better than I expected and really helped Booker and I imagine he will help Ayton a great deal as well. He is the only real communicator on the floor other than Baynes which we need.
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Post#1980 » by AtheJ415 » Sat Dec 7, 2019 4:54 pm

I think Love's game will age well, but don't think he's worth the money for us. Him and Ayton would dominate the boards, but we'd need Ayton to be Gobert for that pairing to work.

I think we'd be better off going small (playing Bridges and Johnson WITH Oubre at the 3/4 spots) once Ayton and Baynes are actually back to play the 5.

If we're going for a 4 I'd much rather Gordon be the target. He's more versatile, particularly on defense.

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