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The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1961 » by BobbieL » Tue May 13, 2025 9:58 pm

KdoubleDees23 wrote:PG13 & Jared McCain & #3 this year for KD

Gets them off PG13 and Gives them a shooter next to Embiids corpse.

We get Ace Bailey or Edgecombe with #3

I would ride

McCain
Booker
PG13
Dunn / Bailey or Edgecom
Richards

Then trade Beal for a big.


No more terrible contracts
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1962 » by SunsRback4Good » Tue May 13, 2025 10:12 pm

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KdoubleDees23 wrote:PG13 & Jared McCain & #3 this year for KD

Gets them off PG13 and Gives them a shooter next to Embiids corpse.

We get Ace Bailey or Edgecombe with #3

I would ride

McCain
Booker
PG13
Dunn / Bailey or Edgecom
Richards

Then trade Beal for a big.


No more terrible contracts


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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1963 » by BobbieL » Tue May 13, 2025 10:14 pm

SunsRback4Good wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
KdoubleDees23 wrote:PG13 & Jared McCain & #3 this year for KD

Gets them off PG13 and Gives them a shooter next to Embiids corpse.

We get Ace Bailey or Edgecombe with #3

I would ride

McCain
Booker
PG13
Dunn / Bailey or Edgecom
Richards

Then trade Beal for a big.


No more terrible contracts


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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1964 » by Blonde » Tue May 13, 2025 10:39 pm

Something around KD to Houston, Jaylen Brown to Phoenix, Houston players/picks to Boston to try to reload for when Tatum gets healthy. Not great but I could see it being a realistic framework.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1965 » by BobbieL » Tue May 13, 2025 10:42 pm

Blonde wrote:Something around KD to Houston, Jaylen Brown to Phoenix, Houston players/picks to Boston to try to reload for when Tatum gets healthy. Not great but I could see it being a realistic framework.


Brown has a terrible contract
Hard pass

Suns need to get their cap under control
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1966 » by bwgood77 » Tue May 13, 2025 10:44 pm

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Fo-Real wrote:Let's not overlook that the Spurs have the last 2 rookies of the year AND HAVE THE SECOND PICK!!!


Just look at the West
OKC
Houston
San Antonio

Blazers are trending
Denver - as long as they have Joker
Dallas - if healthy

GSW -- they have a couple years with Curry
Lakers --

The Suns have a LONG way to go to relevancy - even getting the 10th seed


TWolves with Ant and Jaden McDaniels keeps getting better.

Memphis is still pretty loaded and young too. New Orleans is also pretty loaded with talent but hurt badly with injuries to Murray, CJ, Trey, Herbert Jones. Also made the Ingram trade, but still have quite a bit of depth, picks, etc.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1967 » by TeamTragic » Tue May 13, 2025 10:44 pm

Blonde wrote:Something around KD to Houston, Jaylen Brown to Phoenix, Houston players/picks to Boston to try to reload for when Tatum gets healthy. Not great but I could see it being a realistic framework.


Brown/#10
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1968 » by BobbieL » Tue May 13, 2025 11:06 pm

TeamTragic wrote:
Blonde wrote:Something around KD to Houston, Jaylen Brown to Phoenix, Houston players/picks to Boston to try to reload for when Tatum gets healthy. Not great but I could see it being a realistic framework.


Brown/#10


Was watching the PHNX_Suns webcast - Gerald had some trades
One was PG13 and the Sixers pick this year for Durant - -I think that is terrible as PG13 contract is terrible

A couple others weren't bad - should have written down
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1969 » by sunskerr » Tue May 13, 2025 11:07 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Let's not overlook that the Spurs have the last 2 rookies of the year AND HAVE THE SECOND PICK!!!


Just look at the West
OKC
Houston
San Antonio

Blazers are trending
Denver - as long as they have Joker
Dallas - if healthy

GSW -- they have a couple years with Curry
Lakers --

The Suns have a LONG way to go to relevancy - even getting the 10th seed


TWolves with Ant and Jaden McDaniels keeps getting better.

Memphis is still pretty loaded and young too. New Orleans is also pretty loaded with talent but hurt badly with injuries to Murray, CJ, Trey, Herbert Jones. Also made the Ingram trade, but still have quite a bit of depth, picks, etc.


I don't rate Castle very high just yet. Yeah, there's a lot of things to like but I think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves. I'm not saying he won't be a great player (there's a lot to like!!) but more that the people writing him in as sure fire thing are doing more guessing than an actual procedurally based projection.

But yeah the Spurs are going to be big because Wemby, and then of course the development of the guys around him (including Castle).

If we started a rebuild this off-season and could get our #10 back, I think that would go a long way. I'd prefer to get as many of our picks back from the Rockets than any of their mid-low tier prospects. But that's all wishful thinking because Ishbia is intent on finishing 10th-11th next year.

Top 3 pick for KD is a pipe dream. Bloke is 37 lol.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1970 » by BobbieL » Tue May 13, 2025 11:39 pm

sunskerr wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Just look at the West
OKC
Houston
San Antonio

Blazers are trending
Denver - as long as they have Joker
Dallas - if healthy

GSW -- they have a couple years with Curry
Lakers --

The Suns have a LONG way to go to relevancy - even getting the 10th seed


TWolves with Ant and Jaden McDaniels keeps getting better.

Memphis is still pretty loaded and young too. New Orleans is also pretty loaded with talent but hurt badly with injuries to Murray, CJ, Trey, Herbert Jones. Also made the Ingram trade, but still have quite a bit of depth, picks, etc.


I don't rate Castle very high just yet. Yeah, there's a lot of things to like but I think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves. I'm not saying he won't be a great player (there's a lot to like!!) but more that the people writing him in as sure fire thing are doing more guessing than an actual procedurally based projection.

But yeah the Spurs are going to be big because Wemby, and then of course the development of the guys around him (including Castle).

If we started a rebuild this off-season and could get our #10 back, I think that would go a long way. I'd prefer to get as many of our picks back from the Rockets than any of their mid-low tier prospects. But that's all wishful thinking because Ishbia is intent on finishing 10th-11th next year.

Top 3 pick for KD is a pipe dream. Bloke is 37 lol.


Ishbia shouldn't do something stupid just to finish 11th that will wreck the future
Would rather finish even 15th - I get the lottery pick is gone - but understand the long term future than do something short -sighted and stupid just maybe finish 11th
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1971 » by lilfishi22 » Wed May 14, 2025 12:12 am

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thamadkant wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Yes

A post Achilles injury Tatum is better than KD 2-3 years down the track



Why is it even a question since they are about 7 years apart. Achilles tears are horrible but Tatum is young enough to recover from most of it before he's 30... 2 years off basketball and 1 year of getting his game back so 3 years time he should be back to 90% of his old self since he's young.


Well a couple reasons, remember we can't tank. So that means next year with no Tatum is basically the Booker and Beal show. As bad as we were, Durant won us a bunch of games. So our record would be worse next year since Tatum is gone.

Plus the fact that he might not not be the same guy ever again and he just signed a 55/yr deal over the next 6 years.

That said, I'll still do it.

I kind of think the next couple of years doesn't really matter. We're not built to tank, we're not built to compete so at best, we treadmill and maybe make the playoffs if we play all our cards right. Beyond that is what I'm more interested in building. KD won't be here so he's a non-factor but what we can get for him will be.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1972 » by Slim Charless » Wed May 14, 2025 12:34 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
thamadkant wrote:

Why is it even a question since they are about 7 years apart. Achilles tears are horrible but Tatum is young enough to recover from most of it before he's 30... 2 years off basketball and 1 year of getting his game back so 3 years time he should be back to 90% of his old self since he's young.


Well a couple reasons, remember we can't tank. So that means next year with no Tatum is basically the Booker and Beal show. As bad as we were, Durant won us a bunch of games. So our record would be worse next year since Tatum is gone.

Plus the fact that he might not not be the same guy ever again and he just signed a 55/yr deal over the next 6 years.

That said, I'll still do it.

I kind of think the next couple of years doesn't really matter. We're not built to tank, we're not built to compete so at best, we treadmill and maybe make the playoffs if we play all our cards right. Beyond that is what I'm more interested in building. KD won't be here so he's a non-factor but what we can get for him will be.


Boston isn't trading Tatum anyways. I do wonder if they tank next yr and move everyone else though. If Jaylen Brown is on the market, that will complicate our KD trading situation.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1973 » by lilfishi22 » Wed May 14, 2025 12:49 am

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Calvin Klein wrote:FWIW we HAD the number 1 pick and could have picked the generational player but instead chose the one who SAID on record he was in it for the money.


Ayton - same school as Bobby Sarver

Ayton - -looked the part of the franchise Center as the Suns never had a center

Luka -- Gambo said some things about him, almost like they were trying to lower his value

That "anonymous" scouting report ripping Luka pre-draft will always be in the back of my mind
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1974 » by KdoubleDees23 » Wed May 14, 2025 1:35 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Calvin Klein wrote:FWIW we HAD the number 1 pick and could have picked the generational player but instead chose the one who SAID on record he was in it for the money.


Ayton - same school as Bobby Sarver

Ayton - -looked the part of the franchise Center as the Suns never had a center

Luka -- Gambo said some things about him, almost like they were trying to lower his value

That "anonymous" scouting report ripping Luka pre-draft will always be in the back of my mind


TBH If Suns got Doncic, I probably wouldn't be able to watch the games. Guy is the biggest baby in the league, He is a James Harden but 70 lbs more.
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Post#1975 » by dremill24 » Wed May 14, 2025 1:40 am

KdoubleDees23 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Ayton - same school as Bobby Sarver

Ayton - -looked the part of the franchise Center as the Suns never had a center

Luka -- Gambo said some things about him, almost like they were trying to lower his value

That "anonymous" scouting report ripping Luka pre-draft will always be in the back of my mind


TBH If Suns got Doncic, I probably wouldn't be able to watch the games. Guy is the biggest baby in the league, He is a James Harden but 70 lbs more.


Suns are a pretty rough watch now even without him :lol: at least with Luka they'd probably be good
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Post#1977 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed May 14, 2025 3:02 am

Although the 76'ers Idea of George/ 3rd for KD is terrible financially, it could still work out if cleverly planned out! For instance, doing that trade and then attaching the 3rd pick to Beal IN A trade Down scenario with a team like Orlando or Brooklyn? So yeah we'd essentially be swapping out Beal for George and maybe either:

Orlando
Beal/ 3rd pick for Isaac/ KCP/ Bidatze/ 16th and 25th pick. Now we've swapped out Beal and the 3rd pick for George, Isaac/ KCP/ Bidatze/ 16th, and 25th picks. Giving us the
16- Egor Demin.
25- Will Riley.
29- Ryan Kalkbrenner.
52- Kobe Brea.

Booker/ Allen/ George/ Isaac/ Bidatze.
Demin/ KCP/ Dunn/ FA / Richards.
Gillespie/ Brea/ Riley/ Ighodaro/ Kalkbrenner.

** Trade O'neale for 2nds?
** The George Solution **
George can recoup his trade value since we're not really competing anyways next season! And there were actually teams interested in trading for George before he signed with Philly. Maybe a team like..................................

Atlanta- (Pursued him before, andis desperatelytrying to keep young from leaving. They also don't have their picks, so they'll try to compete)!
- George/ CLE 1st for Okongwu and Mann?

Sacramento (Sacramento is desperate to make the playoffs and be competitive, and have Divac returning as GM)

George/ Richards for DeRozan/ Monk/ Valuncias/ filler?

Charlotte (Charlotte is desperate to compete to convince Ball not to ask for a trade and can't land a star on their own anyways. And George would be the perfect mentor for B Miller)!

George/ CLE 29 1st for Bridges/ G Williams/ Nurkic expiring.

Chicago ( Chicago is trying to be more competitive and would love to get off if Williams ' money)

George/ Richards/ CLE 29' 1st for Vucevic/ Ball/ P Williams??

OR MAYBE A......................................

**** 3 team follow up George trade****
Milwaukee/ New Orleans/ Phoenix


- Milwaukee- Zion/ Dejounte Murray/ Allen (To try and convince Giannis to stay)!!

- New Orleans- George/ Kuzma.

- Phoenix gets- Lillard/ Olynyk/ Andre Jackson/ Tyler Smith.

** Then package Olynyk/ O'neale/ CLE 27' 1st to Washington for Smart/ CHI 26' 2nd. And in 26' resign Smart for 40/2 ( 2nd year Team Option) Or we could flip him in a trade to a team that's desperate for a point guard in return for a mid range 26' 1st ?? :wink:

So, With this trade, Our 25-26 roster becomes:

Smart/ Booker/ KCP/ Isaac/ Bidatze.
Demin/ Trent Jr/ Dunn/ FA / Richards.
Gillespie/A Jackson Jr/ Riley/ Ighodaro/ Ryan Kalkbrenner.
** Andre Jackson Jr is a budget version of Castle.
** Tyler Smith is a budget version of Jabari Smith Jr.

** Then when Lillard comes back from his Achilles recovery, he can replace Smart giving us a starting lineup of :

Lillard/ Booker/ Dunn/ Isaac/ Bidatze. OR we could then look to flip Lillard to Houston for their young players package and our 27 and 29 1sts back???

Especially now that they won't get Giannis!! And when BOTH Smart and KCP come off the books in 27, we'dhave around $40 million to reload in free agency! :wink:
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1978 » by SkyBill40 » Wed May 14, 2025 3:06 am

I'll give you one bit of credit, GoK... you sure are creative.

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1979 » by thamadkant » Wed May 14, 2025 3:09 am

BobbieL wrote:
KdoubleDees23 wrote:PG13 & Jared McCain & #3 this year for KD

Gets them off PG13 and Gives them a shooter next to Embiids corpse.

We get Ace Bailey or Edgecombe with #3

I would ride

McCain
Booker
PG13
Dunn / Bailey or Edgecom
Richards

Then trade Beal for a big.


No more terrible contracts


It's terrible but getting a potential cornerstone player under 22 years old now is the key bit.

It's unlikely since PG13 doesn't get along with Booker who has his nuts all over the owners forehead.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#1980 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed May 14, 2025 3:24 am

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Because maybe some people here are actually subscribers, and might be so inclined as to share the details of the article with everyone here. But if it's such a big deal for you man, I can at least provide you with this for now:
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Now I know that it's not the full range of 37 crazy trades that he's mentioned. But I sincerely hope this will suffice for now. :D
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