Official Trade Thread: Kind of a Drag...ic

[collidingNeurons]

If Knight gets a contract this summer, the Suns are committing to the most expensive backcourt in the West - a backcourt not comprised of an all-star. A backcourt comprised of two tweener point guards that the history of the league tells us would be a questionable fit. Yikes. At best, it's gambling on youth and potential and hoping it works out. At worst, it's being downright arrogant and reckless and could set the franchise back for years.

The blame for what happened to Dragic can go a number of different directions. Some will say Dragic went off his rocker. Some will say it's alarming the front office handled it the way the did, both letting it get to the stage it did and the press conference afterwards. Giving up that Lakers pick for Knight legitimately makes me question if the franchise knows what it's doing or is taking orders from Sarver to put bandaids on bullet wounds and sell as many tickets in the short term and disregard the future.

It's a shame that a poster like Frank gets his fandom questioned and labeled as "negative" when simply questioning the direction of a franchise when the questions are absolutely warranted right now.

I agree with this post, and Frank has been here for a long time and longer than most and his comments are dead on in a lot of cases, and fans have ever right to criticize the direction of the team ,we are the ones they are selling their product to, if we dont like it we should speak up.

Here's my biggest problem with the Milwaukee trade, I'm not sold on Knight first of all, it's pretty telling both fan bases of the teams he has played for were happy when he left. Secondly, they gave the 18th pick in last draft , a serviceable back up center, and the prized LA pick and what happens if the Suns decide that Knight isn't a fit or worth the money some team offers him, they traded all that for nothing.. and before you tell me how much cap space they will have, when was the last time Phoenix signed a premier free agent and after the fiasco of that press conference i think the chances went down a bit more.

The Suns are no where near contending and getting Knight didn't change that , I can't see them beating out The Thunder for the playoffs and even if they did I see it even more unlikely they would give the warriors much of a challenge, so in my opinion they would have been far better rolling the dice with Ennis, the pick and trading plumlee seperately

[TeamTragic]

If Knight gets a contract this summer, the Suns are committing to the most expensive backcourt in the West - a backcourt not comprised of an all-star. A backcourt comprised of two tweener point guards that the history of the league tells us would be a questionable fit. Yikes. At best, it's gambling on youth and potential and hoping it works out. At worst, it's being downright arrogant and reckless and could set the franchise back for years.

The blame for what happened to Dragic can go a number of different directions. Some will say Dragic went off his rocker. Some will say it's alarming the front office handled it the way the did, both letting it get to the stage it did and the press conference afterwards. Giving up that Lakers pick for Knight legitimately makes me question if the franchise knows what it's doing or is taking orders from Sarver to put bandaids on bullet wounds and sell as many tickets in the short term and disregard the future.

It's a shame that a poster like Frank gets his fandom questioned and labeled as "negative" when simply questioning the direction of a franchise when the questions are absolutely warranted right now.

I agree with this post, and Frank has been here for a long time and longer than most and his comments are dead on in a lot of cases, and fans have ever right to criticize the direction of the team ,we are the ones they are selling their product to, if we dont like it we should speak up.

Here's my biggest problem with the Milwaukee trade, I'm not sold on Knight first of all, it's pretty telling both fan bases of the teams he has played for were happy when he left. Secondly, they gave the 18th pick in last draft , a serviceable back up center, and the prized LA pick and what happens if the Suns decide that Knight isn't a fit or worth the money some team offers him, they traded all that for nothing.. and before you tell me how much cap space they will have, when was the last time Phoenix signed a premier free agent and after the fiasco of that press conference i think the chances went down a bit more.

The Suns are no where near contending and getting Knight didn't change that , I can't see them beating out The Thunder for the playoffs and even if they did I see it even more unlikely they would give the warriors much of a challenge, so in my opinion they would have been far better rolling the dice with Ennis, the pick and trading plumlee seperately

I think we have discussed this previously. You cannot build a championship team with just picks. You have to consider FA and you need at least one star player if not more. Dragic screwed the Phoenix FO and we were forced to give up Ennis/LAL pick and maintain our rebuilding schedule.

There was no room for Ennis and that pick could be garbage when Kobe retires next season and they have cap space. Add Randle/2016 pick (which could be #1), player from free agency (or two) and the Lakers are competing for the playoffs. That is why that pick could end up around the 10 spot and there is too much uncertainty.

[collidingNeurons]

If Knight gets a contract this summer, the Suns are committing to the most expensive backcourt in the West - a backcourt not comprised of an all-star. A backcourt comprised of two tweener point guards that the history of the league tells us would be a questionable fit. Yikes. At best, it's gambling on youth and potential and hoping it works out. At worst, it's being downright arrogant and reckless and could set the franchise back for years.

The blame for what happened to Dragic can go a number of different directions. Some will say Dragic went off his rocker. Some will say it's alarming the front office handled it the way the did, both letting it get to the stage it did and the press conference afterwards. Giving up that Lakers pick for Knight legitimately makes me question if the franchise knows what it's doing or is taking orders from Sarver to put bandaids on bullet wounds and sell as many tickets in the short term and disregard the future.

It's a shame that a poster like Frank gets his fandom questioned and labeled as "negative" when simply questioning the direction of a franchise when the questions are absolutely warranted right now.

I agree with this post, and Frank has been here for a long time and longer than most and his comments are dead on in a lot of cases, and fans have ever right to criticize the direction of the team ,we are the ones they are selling their product to, if we dont like it we should speak up.

Here's my biggest problem with the Milwaukee trade, I'm not sold on Knight first of all, it's pretty telling both fan bases of the teams he has played for were happy when he left. Secondly, they gave the 18th pick in last draft , a serviceable back up center, and the prized LA pick and what happens if the Suns decide that Knight isn't a fit or worth the money some team offers him, they traded all that for nothing.. and before you tell me how much cap space they will have, when was the last time Phoenix signed a premier free agent and after the fiasco of that press conference i think the chances went down a bit more.

The Suns are no where near contending and getting Knight didn't change that , I can't see them beating out The Thunder for the playoffs and even if they did I see it even more unlikely they would give the warriors much of a challenge, so in my opinion they would have been far better rolling the dice with Ennis, the pick and trading plumlee seperately

I think we have discussed this previously. You cannot build a championship team with just picks. You have to consider FA and you need at least one star player if not more. Dragic screwed the Phoenix FO and we were forced to give up Ennis/LAL pick and maintain your rebuilding schedule instead of starting over. There was no room for Ennis and that pick could be garbage when Kobe retires next season and they have cap space.

Add Randle/2016 pick (which could be #1), player from free agency (or two) and the Lakers are competing for the playoffs. That is why that pick could end up around the 10 spot and there is too much uncertainty.

There's uncertainty with every action, that changes nothing if we gave all that for nothing, There's no certainty we keep Knight or that he can co-exist with Bledsoe, everything is a gamble, And Dragic's played no role in the fact the made this last trade. We weren't forced to make any of the other trades, that was a choice.

[Mulhollanddrive]

There are maybe 3-4 players each year that move that are franchise changers, and 20 teams aren't in realistic contention for any of them. That means it's going to look like most of the league have no idea what they're doing.

We are at the mercy of the brain of a handful of humans on earth each year, which means there's as much luck as anything else involved in roster building a championship team.

[batsmasher]

I'll keep it short and sweet. Here's why I like the Knight trade:

- We were at the point where we had too many assets and our youth was suffering because of it.
- Knight brings some smarts and sense to a fairly erratic group of youngens
- McD likes him a lot (and according to studies, 100% of the time this means they're a very, very good player)
- We can afford him. There's some pretty clear thinking behind locking up our core before the monster cap rise, so this makes a lot of sense.
- His skillset completely complements Bled's.
- He's a complete pro whose actions will hopefully set a more professional standard.

[RunDogGun]

I'll keep it short and sweet. Here's why I like the Knight trade:

- We were at the point where we had too many assets and our youth was suffering because of it.
- Knight brings some smarts and sense to a fairly erratic group of youngens
- McD likes him a lot (and according to studies, 100% of the time this means they're a very, very good player)
- We can afford him. There's some pretty clear thinking behind locking up our core before the monster cap rise, so this makes a lot of sense.
- His skillset completely complements Bled's.
- He's a complete pro whose actions will hopefully set a more professional standard.

I agree. I'm excited to see how this pans out.

[TeamTragic]

I agree with this post, and Frank has been here for a long time and longer than most and his comments are dead on in a lot of cases, and fans have ever right to criticize the direction of the team ,we are the ones they are selling their product to, if we dont like it we should speak up.

Here's my biggest problem with the Milwaukee trade, I'm not sold on Knight first of all, it's pretty telling both fan bases of the teams he has played for were happy when he left. Secondly, they gave the 18th pick in last draft , a serviceable back up center, and the prized LA pick and what happens if the Suns decide that Knight isn't a fit or worth the money some team offers him, they traded all that for nothing.. and before you tell me how much cap space they will have, when was the last time Phoenix signed a premier free agent and after the fiasco of that press conference i think the chances went down a bit more.

The Suns are no where near contending and getting Knight didn't change that , I can't see them beating out The Thunder for the playoffs and even if they did I see it even more unlikely they would give the warriors much of a challenge, so in my opinion they would have been far better rolling the dice with Ennis, the pick and trading plumlee seperately

I think we have discussed this previously. You cannot build a championship team with just picks. You have to consider FA and you need at least one star player if not more. Dragic screwed the Phoenix FO and we were forced to give up Ennis/LAL pick and maintain your rebuilding schedule instead of starting over. There was no room for Ennis and that pick could be garbage when Kobe retires next season and they have cap space.

Add Randle/2016 pick (which could be #1), player from free agency (or two) and the Lakers are competing for the playoffs. That is why that pick could end up around the 10 spot and there is too much uncertainty.

There's uncertainty with every action, that changes nothing if we gave all that for nothing, There's no certainty we keep Knight or that he can co-exist with Bledsoe, everything is a gamble, And Dragic's played no role in the fact the made this last trade. We weren't forced to make any of the other trades, that was a choice.

Dragic forced the FO to make that Ennis/LAL pick trade because the Bucks wanted Ennis and we wanted Knight. Philly was sending MCW to the Bucks which allowed the Bucks to want to move Knight. Remember that we offered Dragic for Knight straight up at the beginning of the season and they shot down our offer.

[RaisingArizona]

[collidingNeurons]

I think we have discussed this previously. You cannot build a championship team with just picks. You have to consider FA and you need at least one star player if not more. Dragic screwed the Phoenix FO and we were forced to give up Ennis/LAL pick and maintain your rebuilding schedule instead of starting over. There was no room for Ennis and that pick could be garbage when Kobe retires next season and they have cap space.

Add Randle/2016 pick (which could be #1), player from free agency (or two) and the Lakers are competing for the playoffs. That is why that pick could end up around the 10 spot and there is too much uncertainty.

There's uncertainty with every action, that changes nothing if we gave all that for nothing, There's no certainty we keep Knight or that he can co-exist with Bledsoe, everything is a gamble, And Dragic's played no role in the fact the made this last trade. We weren't forced to make any of the other trades, that was a choice.

Dragic forced the FO to make that Ennis/LAL pick trade because the Bucks wanted Ennis and we wanted Knight. Philly was sending MCW to the Bucks which allowed the Bucks to want to move Knight. Remember that we offered Dragic for Knight straight up at the beginning of the season and they shot down our offer.

dragic did not force this, as he didnt have anything to do with us wanting Knight, and I've seen one mention that we offered dragic for knight, no other place has it been reported that i saw and , why in the world would they make that offer if they were still committed to resigning dragic at that point? Just before the season started they brought in his brother to increase the odds of resigning him, but suddenly after that they decided to move him for a player that I am willing to bet was considered not as good and holding less value than Dragic by most everyone in the league

It's funny so many people seem to have their feelings hurt over dragic not wanting to be here anymore and everyone wants to blame him even though the front office them self took the blame before this all blew up stating it was their fault the balance was wrong


I dont care that they traded Dragic, i personally think he is a bit over rated, however that still doesnt change my opinion that they gave up way too much for Knight and it could backfire. I think the Knight trade was a reactionary move and an attempt to stay in the playoff race, which i also believe will fail and even if it doesn't is a mistake.

[Frank Lee]

haha... thanks for the props boys.... no worries with any questionables, I'm not that sensitive. I cut my Suns teeth rebounding for the old guard (Walk, Scott, Calhoun etc) at summer camp in Lake Havasu. They used to let us kids in on the nightly two-a-day. Yes, I go 'way back'
.

Oh... And JtheA... I know you're not new here, that was sarcasm. I don't use green font. Better to let you figure it out.


I'm surprised at the endorsements some are giving McDuh over the Knight deal. Heck, if proposed a couple weeks ago, I don't think anyone here would have swapped him for that LApick straight up. Now, McDuh is set up for a big nutt if that pick ends up a top one. And as the Hootie noted, might be going all in with this 2 PG thing, in a pricey but puny way.

So here is my take.... Bled will be shipped to Cleveland for Love. Knight will be the PG and Goodwin, Warren, Love, and Len will round it out. Of course, McDuh then would be inclined to ship out the MoBros. Looks like they wont have to worry about probation

I don't know. Its just a disturbing time right now, right on the heels of such legitimate optimism. This riverboat gambler may run us aground.

[collidingNeurons]

haha... thanks for the props boys.... no worries with any questionables, I'm not that sensitive. I cut my Suns teeth rebounding for the old guard (Walk, Scott, Calhoun etc) at summer camp in Lake Havasu. They used to let us kids in on the nightly two-a-day. Yes, I go 'way back'
.

Oh... And JtheA... I know you're not new here, that was sarcasm. I don't use green font. Better to let you figure it out.


I'm surprised at the endorsements some are giving McDuh over the Knight deal. Heck, if proposed a couple weeks ago, I don't think anyone here would have swapped him for that LApick straight up. Now, McDuh is set up for a big nutt if that pick ends up a top one. And as the Hootie noted, might be going all in with this 2 PG thing, in a pricey but puny way.

So here is my take.... Bled will be shipped to Cleveland for Love. Knight will be the PG and Goodwin, Warren, Love, and Len will round it out. Of course, McDuh then would be inclined to ship out the MoBros. Looks like they wont have to worry about probation

I don't know. Its just a disturbing time right now, right on the heels of such legitimate optimism. This riverboat gambler may run us aground.

yep0 me too, i watched all those guys too, Lamar Green, Gail Goodrich, Hawkins.. all those guys

[ray ray]

I love the way Archie is playing.. Hopefully Horny doesn't take minutes from him

[Revived]

RealGM's worst trade deadline team with an outstanding 65% of the votes is...

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1374074#start_here

[Flying Colors]

yeah it looks bad, and it for the most could be bad. But this is the type of thing that's worth re evaluating in a year to know if it was bad or good. Like the LAL-MEM trade that ultimately worked well For the Griz

[saintEscaton]

I dont really care much for the uninformed insight of fans around the league tbh. But giving up the Lakers pick was inexcusable and could come around to haunt us if it manifests into something. McD was banking that they would pull a 360 turnaround by landing a high lotto pick this yea to pair with marque free agents in the offseason but I doubt the latter happens. At best they sign Dragic to max and keep the tank rolling in an attempt to win the 2016 KD sweepstakes, so they will most likely remain cellar dwellers next year,and in the packed West its almost impossible to make such a drastic improvement and climb the ranks in just a single season.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Those are the same people who said we'd win 15 games last season.

[Frank Lee]

yeah it looks bad, and it for the most could be bad. But this is the type of thing that's worth re evaluating in a year to know if it was bad or good. Like the LAL-MEM trade that ultimately worked well For the Griz

unnecessary risk though. more to lose than to gain. I don't see anything special with Knight.

[Revived]

LAL fans so bitter

Pho while getting out of IT contract will now have to pay up to keep Knight, again they'll be nearly capped out and still as medicore as ever.....a win win I must say for me as Pho is one of the more hated fan base to me.

There's even more in their thread talking about us giving their pick to Philly

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1373599#start_here

[3rdside]

There's uncertainty with every action, that changes nothing if we gave all that for nothing, There's no certainty we keep Knight or that he can co-exist with Bledsoe, everything is a gamble, And Dragic's played no role in the fact the made this last trade. We weren't forced to make any of the other trades, that was a choice.

I dont care that they traded Dragic, i personally think he is a bit over rated, however that still doesnt change my opinion that they gave up way too much for Knight and it could backfire. I think the Knight trade was a reactionary move and an attempt to stay in the playoff race, which i also believe will fail and even if it doesn't is a mistake.

Totally the last part - they made the (potentially awful) knight trade to stay relevant. No dragic and no team left over is a sackable offence for RMcD, with knight they might have a chance. More than a touch of desperation right there but that's what they were I guess.


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[bwgood77]

Dragic forced the FO to make that Ennis/LAL pick trade because the Bucks wanted Ennis and we wanted Knight. Philly was sending MCW to the Bucks which allowed the Bucks to want to move Knight. Remember that we offered Dragic for Knight straight up at the beginning of the season and they shot down our offer.

Not that you can take any of this stuff as fact, but it's something to ponder.

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