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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
Total votes: 29

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Post#1981 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:32 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Wouldn't surprise me at all if the suns took Lewis or Terry over Vassell.

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What about Bane over Vassell? I for my part absolutely love Bane. But IF both Vassell and Bane are on the board, I think we have to go with Vassell. I say this because we could still get elite shooting in the 2nd round with Isiah Joe or Sam Merrill at a bargain. I guess I just love the idea of a Vassell ( 2) / Bridges ( 3) elite lockdown defensive duo. But in retrospect, A Bridges/ Bane duo would also be very dynamic and intriguing. :nod:
Sure. I just don't think there's much separation with like 10-15 guys projected from like 5-20. If they like somebody just take them regardless of what mocks say.

Another note is it's been SO long since some of these guys have played that some guys could have really improved parts of their games or bodies and teams might see things we don't and pick guys way higher than some experts predict. Like say a guy like Maxey is shooting the lights out in workouts, he could go top 10 easily.

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Post#1982 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:52 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Wouldn't surprise me at all if the suns took Lewis or Terry over Vassell.

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What about Bane over Vassell? I for my part absolutely love Bane. But IF both Vassell and Bane are on the board, I think we have to go with Vassell. I say this because we could still get elite shooting in the 2nd round with Isiah Joe or Sam Merrill at a bargain. I guess I just love the idea of a Vassell ( 2) / Bridges ( 3) elite lockdown defensive duo. But in retrospect, A Bridges/ Bane duo would also be very dynamic and intriguing. :nod:
Sure. I just don't think there's much separation with like 10-15 guys projected from like 5-20. If they like somebody just take them regardless of what mocks say.

Another note is it's been SO long since some of these guys have played that some guys could have really improved parts of their games or bodies and teams might see things we don't and pick guys way higher than some experts predict. Like say a guy like Maxey is shooting the lights out in workouts, he could go top 10 easily.

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If Maxey could show solid improvement to his shooting consistency and also his playmaking skills, Then That'd change my perspective on him a bit. However, There are very similar " point of attack " defensive guard options in the 2nd round who are either better shooters/ facilitators. (Tyshon Alexander) or Ashton Hagans ( point of attack/ passing) would both be very solid alternatives to Maxey, AND would allow us to use our first round pick on a big perhaps Patrick Williams? Or maybe one of Jalen Smith/ Reggie Perry/ Precious Achiuwa?
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Post#1983 » by Djedefre » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:39 pm

This Bane hype train is becoming ridiculous. Absolutely only friggin' way i see him becoming a legit NBA rotation player is if he has Doncic level mentality and competitiveness. People talk about Vassell and his shot form, but Bane's is just a tad less ugly and somewhat slow. His defense is also vastly overrated. I'm not a fan of Kira, but with him you can clearly see the appeal and potential. Could/should we take that kind of a gamble is a different story. After all those Chrises, Jacksons and Benders, Suns fans are so scared of 'risky' picks that they drool over mediocre prospects just because they are 'safe'.
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Post#1984 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:44 pm

Djedefre wrote:This Bane hype train is becoming ridiculous. Absolutely only friggin' way i see him becoming a legit NBA rotation player is if he has Doncic level mentality and competitiveness. People talk about Vassell and his shot form, but Bane's is just a tad less ugly and somewhat slow. His defense is also vastly overrated. I'm not a fan of Kira, but with him you can clearly see the appeal and potential. Could/should we take that kind of a gamble is a different story. After all those Chrises, Jacksons and Benders, Suns fans are so scared of 'risky' picks that they drool over mediocre prospects just because they are 'safe'.
Which is funny because the best draft pick they've made in the past 15 years was the youngest player in the draft who didn't even start in college. :)

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Post#1985 » by bwgood77 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:04 pm

Djedefre wrote:This Bane hype train is becoming ridiculous. Absolutely only friggin' way i see him becoming a legit NBA rotation player is if he has Doncic level mentality and competitiveness. People talk about Vassell and his shot form, but Bane's is just a tad less ugly and somewhat slow. His defense is also vastly overrated. I'm not a fan of Kira, but with him you can clearly see the appeal and potential. Could/should we take that kind of a gamble is a different story. After all those Chrises, Jacksons and Benders, Suns fans are so scared of 'risky' picks that they drool over mediocre prospects just because they are 'safe'.


Why are you concerned with form if it works? Bane has the same trainer as Cam, says he is probably a better shooter, and the guy averaged over 43% from 3 over 4 years in college. The last 3 years were over 46%, 42% and 44%. This last year at over 44% was on 6.5 attempts per game. It's not like he's played in a week conference either. The Big 12 ranks second in conference RPI.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/desmond-bane-1.html

http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2020/conferencerpi

29 teams have interviewed him, so he's well liked. There was a good article on him in The Athletic:

Bane’s last measured body fat before he left was 5.9 percent. He became the standard at TCU. The stories are all so similar and Bane’s work so constant that it’s easy to throw around clichés because they’re all true. “Gym rat,” Dixon says. “First to the gym, last to leave,” Miller says. “If you would leave at 8 or 9 o’clock at night and you’d hear a ball bouncing, you didn’t even have to look to see who it was. You knew it was him.” “I don’t have a story where I say he missed a bunch of shots and he was in the gym the next night. He was always in the gym,” Robinson says. “He never really felt like he arrived. He was always trying to grind and get better and better.”

Bane comes off as humble and usually allows other to sing his praises, but there was one moment when he talked for this story that he couldn’t help but brag on himself. During the last seven months, Bane has played and worked out with a long list of pros through his trainer, Ronnie Taylor, whose clientele includes players known for their commitment, including Bam Adebayo and P.J. Tucker. Bane has witnessed how some of the best work, and he’d just finished complimenting Charlotte Hornets guard Devonte’ Graham for his approach and attitude when he was asked who has really stuck out to him as a worker.

His (trainer's) favorite moment this summer was a pickup game with a bunch of pros when Bane put on one of the best shooting performances he has seen. “He was pulling up from 30 feet and it was not even touching the rim, to the point where guys had to start double-teaming him off of the pick-and-roll, and he’s making incredible passes,” Taylor says. “When he shot the ball, everybody just considered it a make. I’ve never seen someone shoot the ball at that rate with that type of defense on him and make them consistently. Shot fake, side step, shot fake, step back, transition 3 from 30, just pulling up. I’m like, bro, this kid is unreal.”


https://theathletic.com/2153018/2020/10/23/desmond-bane-nba-draft-mock-tcu-prospect/

The only thing you can really knock him for is his wingspan, but they say he makes up for it with other things, with great team defense, etc. Great passer too.
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Post#1986 » by TheLogician » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:05 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:I hope the Suns wouldn't take Lewis over Vassell.


I know you're not as high on Lewis, but what do you like about Vassell? Defensively he's not in the same league as Mikal, IMO. And that jump shot is a block waiting to happen.


I like his defense and shooting. I think he is a team guy, and would be a great backup 2 guard. Mikal is close to an all league defender, so it will be tough for someone to match him, but Bane actually does have a better DRTG and DWS/40, and a slightly higher steals per 36 #. He's certainly a solid defender, though not as long as Vassell, but still not bad with a 6'10 wingspan.

My biggest issue with him would be his lack of assists. I probably like Bane just as much though. He is solid across the board. The top shooter of everyone we are looking at, more assists than Terry and slightly fewer than Lewis, a very solid defender, etc.

Bane has really grown on me and is really up there on my list...I'd be fine with him at 10. I saw The Ringer mocked him to Miami at 20. Sounds just like a Miami pick.


Got it. I'd be interested in your order of preference of Haliburton, Bane, Vassell, Terry, etc. if you have time before draft day.
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Post#1987 » by bwgood77 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:14 pm

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I know you're not as high on Lewis, but what do you like about Vassell? Defensively he's not in the same league as Mikal, IMO. And that jump shot is a block waiting to happen.


I like his defense and shooting. I think he is a team guy, and would be a great backup 2 guard. Mikal is close to an all league defender, so it will be tough for someone to match him, but Bane actually does have a better DRTG and DWS/40, and a slightly higher steals per 36 #. He's certainly a solid defender, though not as long as Vassell, but still not bad with a 6'10 wingspan.

My biggest issue with him would be his lack of assists. I probably like Bane just as much though. He is solid across the board. The top shooter of everyone we are looking at, more assists than Terry and slightly fewer than Lewis, a very solid defender, etc.

Bane has really grown on me and is really up there on my list...I'd be fine with him at 10. I saw The Ringer mocked him to Miami at 20. Sounds just like a Miami pick.


Got it. I'd be interested in your order of preference of Haliburton, Bane, Vassell, Terry, etc. if you have time before draft day.


Was just thinking about it earlier. Probably the order you have it listed, but Bane/Vassell is pretty tough. I like Lewis, but I'd still have him after Terry (slightly).
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Post#1988 » by alamin330 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:38 pm

Y’all are wildin. Suns are lucky if Vassell makes it to 10
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Post#1989 » by alamin330 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:41 pm

Vassell is a top 3-5 player in this draft. Might even be the best. A little paul George in him. He’s nice
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Post#1990 » by Djedefre » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:01 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Djedefre wrote:This Bane hype train is becoming ridiculous. Absolutely only friggin' way i see him becoming a legit NBA rotation player is if he has Doncic level mentality and competitiveness. People talk about Vassell and his shot form, but Bane's is just a tad less ugly and somewhat slow. His defense is also vastly overrated. I'm not a fan of Kira, but with him you can clearly see the appeal and potential. Could/should we take that kind of a gamble is a different story. After all those Chrises, Jacksons and Benders, Suns fans are so scared of 'risky' picks that they drool over mediocre prospects just because they are 'safe'.


Why are you concerned with form if it works? Bane has the same trainer as Cam, says he is probably a better shooter, and the guy averaged over 43% from 3 over 4 years in college. The last 3 years were over 46%, 42% and 44%. This last year at over 44% was on 6.5 attempts per game. It's not like he's played in a week conference either. The Big 12 ranks second in conference RPI.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/desmond-bane-1.html

http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2020/conferencerpi

29 teams have interviewed him, so he's well liked. There was a good article on him in The Athletic:

Bane’s last measured body fat before he left was 5.9 percent. He became the standard at TCU. The stories are all so similar and Bane’s work so constant that it’s easy to throw around clichés because they’re all true. “Gym rat,” Dixon says. “First to the gym, last to leave,” Miller says. “If you would leave at 8 or 9 o’clock at night and you’d hear a ball bouncing, you didn’t even have to look to see who it was. You knew it was him.” “I don’t have a story where I say he missed a bunch of shots and he was in the gym the next night. He was always in the gym,” Robinson says. “He never really felt like he arrived. He was always trying to grind and get better and better.”

Bane comes off as humble and usually allows other to sing his praises, but there was one moment when he talked for this story that he couldn’t help but brag on himself. During the last seven months, Bane has played and worked out with a long list of pros through his trainer, Ronnie Taylor, whose clientele includes players known for their commitment, including Bam Adebayo and P.J. Tucker. Bane has witnessed how some of the best work, and he’d just finished complimenting Charlotte Hornets guard Devonte’ Graham for his approach and attitude when he was asked who has really stuck out to him as a worker.

His (trainer's) favorite moment this summer was a pickup game with a bunch of pros when Bane put on one of the best shooting performances he has seen. “He was pulling up from 30 feet and it was not even touching the rim, to the point where guys had to start double-teaming him off of the pick-and-roll, and he’s making incredible passes,” Taylor says. “When he shot the ball, everybody just considered it a make. I’ve never seen someone shoot the ball at that rate with that type of defense on him and make them consistently. Shot fake, side step, shot fake, step back, transition 3 from 30, just pulling up. I’m like, bro, this kid is unreal.”


https://theathletic.com/2153018/2020/10/23/desmond-bane-nba-draft-mock-tcu-prospect/

The only thing you can really knock him for is his wingspan, but they say he makes up for it with other things, with great team defense, etc. Great passer too.


That kind of PR articles you can come across every year. Couldn't care less about those odes and dithyrambs. If i had a dime for every time i read how trainers 'never ever in their life have seen a better shooter' i'd be filthy rich.

NCAA had witnessed loads of consistent 40%+ 3pt shooters who didn't stick for more than a season or two, if they even made it to the NBA.

He may prove to be outstanding competitor and success hungry which could turn around anyone's career, but his basketball package as of today is totally meh and without that extra sparkle he's end of the bench player at best.
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Post#1991 » by alamin330 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:01 pm

Kira Lewis is nice too though
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Post#1992 » by cberry78 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:43 pm

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Post#1994 » by Saberestar » Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:01 pm

Djedefre wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Djedefre wrote:This Bane hype train is becoming ridiculous. Absolutely only friggin' way i see him becoming a legit NBA rotation player is if he has Doncic level mentality and competitiveness. People talk about Vassell and his shot form, but Bane's is just a tad less ugly and somewhat slow. His defense is also vastly overrated. I'm not a fan of Kira, but with him you can clearly see the appeal and potential. Could/should we take that kind of a gamble is a different story. After all those Chrises, Jacksons and Benders, Suns fans are so scared of 'risky' picks that they drool over mediocre prospects just because they are 'safe'.


Why are you concerned with form if it works? Bane has the same trainer as Cam, says he is probably a better shooter, and the guy averaged over 43% from 3 over 4 years in college. The last 3 years were over 46%, 42% and 44%. This last year at over 44% was on 6.5 attempts per game. It's not like he's played in a week conference either. The Big 12 ranks second in conference RPI.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/desmond-bane-1.html

http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2020/conferencerpi

29 teams have interviewed him, so he's well liked. There was a good article on him in The Athletic:

Bane’s last measured body fat before he left was 5.9 percent. He became the standard at TCU. The stories are all so similar and Bane’s work so constant that it’s easy to throw around clichés because they’re all true. “Gym rat,” Dixon says. “First to the gym, last to leave,” Miller says. “If you would leave at 8 or 9 o’clock at night and you’d hear a ball bouncing, you didn’t even have to look to see who it was. You knew it was him.” “I don’t have a story where I say he missed a bunch of shots and he was in the gym the next night. He was always in the gym,” Robinson says. “He never really felt like he arrived. He was always trying to grind and get better and better.”

Bane comes off as humble and usually allows other to sing his praises, but there was one moment when he talked for this story that he couldn’t help but brag on himself. During the last seven months, Bane has played and worked out with a long list of pros through his trainer, Ronnie Taylor, whose clientele includes players known for their commitment, including Bam Adebayo and P.J. Tucker. Bane has witnessed how some of the best work, and he’d just finished complimenting Charlotte Hornets guard Devonte’ Graham for his approach and attitude when he was asked who has really stuck out to him as a worker.

His (trainer's) favorite moment this summer was a pickup game with a bunch of pros when Bane put on one of the best shooting performances he has seen. “He was pulling up from 30 feet and it was not even touching the rim, to the point where guys had to start double-teaming him off of the pick-and-roll, and he’s making incredible passes,” Taylor says. “When he shot the ball, everybody just considered it a make. I’ve never seen someone shoot the ball at that rate with that type of defense on him and make them consistently. Shot fake, side step, shot fake, step back, transition 3 from 30, just pulling up. I’m like, bro, this kid is unreal.”


https://theathletic.com/2153018/2020/10/23/desmond-bane-nba-draft-mock-tcu-prospect/

The only thing you can really knock him for is his wingspan, but they say he makes up for it with other things, with great team defense, etc. Great passer too.


That kind of PR articles you can come across every year. Couldn't care less about those odes and dithyrambs. If i had a dime for every time i read how trainers 'never ever in their life have seen a better shooter' i'd be filthy rich.

NCAA had witnessed loads of consistent 40%+ 3pt shooters who didn't stick for more than a season or two, if they even made it to the NBA.

He may prove to be outstanding competitor and success hungry which could turn around anyone's career, but his basketball package as of today is totally meh and without that extra sparkle he's end of the bench player at best.

But those usually were prospects who did not have other skills or did not have enough athleticism.

Stauskas comes to my mind. Amazing shooter but he was slow footed, he could not defend or go to the rim.

But Bane is a good athlete, not explosive, but good enough to be a positive player with his high basketball IQ and tremendous shooting.

He reminds me of Buddy Hield. Old prospect who is amazing from the 3p line but a bit small as a SG/SF.

Bane probably better passer and defender, but Hield was better shooting off screens and slightly faster. Hield the better scorer too.
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Post#1995 » by Frank Lee » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:36 am

Shoot.... there’s 30-40 can’t missers and another 20 sure things in this draft

According to some(one) anyways




Draft fever is comically running rampant.



Just how many rookies do you think will be on this upcoming roster? ... I got the o/u at 2.5
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Post#1996 » by darealjuice » Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:20 am

Frank Lee wrote:Shoot.... there’s 30-40 can’t missers and another 20 sure things in this draft

According to some(one) anyways




Draft fever is comically running rampant.



Just how many rookies do you think will be on this upcoming roster? ... I got the o/u at 2.5


Easy under considering we have one draft pick lol
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Post#1997 » by bwgood77 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:21 am

I'll definitely take the under on that. I expect 1. 2 at the most.
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Post#1999 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:40 am

Frank Lee wrote:Shoot.... there’s 30-40 can’t missers and another 20 sure things in this draft

According to some(one) anyways




Draft fever is comically running rampant.



Just how many rookies do you think will be on this upcoming roster? ... I got the o/u at 2.5


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1 rookie IF we stay at 10 or trade up.
2 rookies, And quite possibly a two way contract/ undrafted prospect we can stash in the G league IF we trade back. And I honestly don't remember ever using the term " can't missers" man. But really nice compliment or potential impact contributors depending upon our scheme and direction is not at all unreasonable. Lastly, It doesn't have to be a draft fever scenario to consider the fiscal benefits cost controlled rookie scale contracts to the team in this financial climate. And it's not like their intending to replace our core starters with them either. They'll most likely fill end of the bench rotation spots from mediocre players such as Okobo/ Kaminsky/ Diallo that we'll likely let go anyways. All these factors should be considered, in addition to our team having a frugal owner with shallow pockets that will undoubtedly prioritize monetary saving strategies wherever possible as evidenced by the selling off of the G league. :D
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Post#2000 » by Frank Lee » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:06 am

Of those mediocre players you want to ax...One was a lotto pick and the other two were early second rounders..... oko was picked by us at 31
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