2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation

[Ghost of Kleine]

Just to add a lil' salt in the old wound here:

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[Ghost of Kleine]

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We hate to see the Warriors and Curry suffer through so much adversity. So out of the goodness of our hearts, we'll trade you Bradley "I hold all the cards" Beal to come save your franchise!!! Nothing unreasonable. We've heard that you really don't want to trade EITHER Wiggins or Kuminga. No problem! We'll accept a Beal for Green/Schroder/Anderson.

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So that'd be $60.5 million per year!
And if true! That would be insane and really another bad decision added to many. They we're mentioning on locked on Suns that if a Butler deal were to actually happen, the deal would be 110-112/ 3 years ( $ 36-38 million per year) which would obviously be much better and more palatable by far! I get the inherent value of getting off of Beals' no-trade clause. But at $60 million per year for a 36-year-old Butler??? That'd be nearly as bad if not as bad as trying to move Beal in terms of perceived negative value.

But even worse than that, would be the clear underlying message that if Ishbia is willing to overpay by that much for a 36-year-old Butler with KD extending upon the acquisition of Butler. This basically indicates that Ishbia is going to continue to try and push this massive trainwreck for at least another two years. And by then, KD will either be retired or have no trade value left!!! And Butler will only have minimal to no trade value too at 38 years old and $60 million. And even Booker will have less perceived trade value at 30 years old (especially if he continues to struggle and regress.

I really hope that this doesn't happen because if it somehow does, then our future will be utterly destroyed with zero hope of getting back on track. And we'll then be in a worse rebuild than even under parsimonious Saver himself! We'd be looking at a 20-year rebuild minimum.

Lemme ask you this though ....

Do you really think Ishbia is willing to blow it up this soon after buying the team? Ticket sales would plummet. He's probably thinking that at least with these names on the team he can still fool people into buying tix.

Wonder if it's a situation where he wouldnt even think of blowing it all up until he's closer to break even in his investment.

FYI I'm currently in the blow it up camp.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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So that'd be $60.5 million per year!
And if true! That would be insane and really another bad decision added to many. They we're mentioning on locked on Suns that if a Butler deal were to actually happen, the deal would be 110-112/ 3 years ( $ 36-38 million per year) which would obviously be much better and more palatable by far! I get the inherent value of getting off of Beals' no-trade clause. But at $60 million per year for a 36-year-old Butler??? That'd be nearly as bad if not as bad as trying to move Beal in terms of perceived negative value.

But even worse than that, would be the clear underlying message that if Ishbia is willing to overpay by that much for a 36-year-old Butler with KD extending upon the acquisition of Butler. This basically indicates that Ishbia is going to continue to try and push this massive trainwreck for at least another two years. And by then, KD will either be retired or have no trade value left!!! And Butler will only have minimal to no trade value too at 38 years old and $60 million. And even Booker will have less perceived trade value at 30 years old (especially if he continues to struggle and regress.

I really hope that this doesn't happen because if it somehow does, then our future will be utterly destroyed with zero hope of getting back on track. And we'll then be in a worse rebuild than even under parsimonious Saver himself! We'd be looking at a 20-year rebuild minimum.

Lemme ask you this though ....

Do you really think Ishbia is willing to blow it up this soon after buying the team? Ticket sales would plummet. He's probably thinking that at least with these names on the team he can still fool people into buying tix.

Wonder if it's a situation where he wouldnt even think of blowing it all up until he's closer to break even in his investment.

FYI I'm currently in the blow it up camp.

Nope! I've actually replied to Bwgood with the same reply as I strongly believe that Ishbia will try to keep rolling forward no matter how bad it gets just to try and avoid taking accountability for his egregious mistakes! As far as ticket sales plummeting and fooling the fans, I think this current product is so bad that ticket sales will inevitably drop just as much if not more as a result of our dismal record and the hopeless situation that he's put us in. But again, I think he'll absolutely keep trying to pivot somehow and spin every opportunity to avoid the truth!

I think he'll absolutely try and continue for at least the next two years to prove this wasn't a failure even though the vast majority of the fanbase already has or is in the process of checking out. His price reduction for snacks, etc is an indication of the fan interest plummeting. And the more losses we continue to rack up while not having any assets or maneuverability will only push more fans away out of frustration and apathy. Regardless of all these warning signs, Ishbia will keep marching this franchise into the abyss. And even when he finally trades KD and Booker for diminished returns, he'll likely just trade those picks for even more aging vets and try this asinine strategy again!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Trade incoming!!
Nurkic to Washington for Valuncias, etc?????

[Slim Charless]

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So that'd be $60.5 million per year!
And if true! That would be insane and really another bad decision added to many. They we're mentioning on locked on Suns that if a Butler deal were to actually happen, the deal would be 110-112/ 3 years ( $ 36-38 million per year) which would obviously be much better and more palatable by far! I get the inherent value of getting off of Beals' no-trade clause. But at $60 million per year for a 36-year-old Butler??? That'd be nearly as bad if not as bad as trying to move Beal in terms of perceived negative value.

But even worse than that, would be the clear underlying message that if Ishbia is willing to overpay by that much for a 36-year-old Butler with KD extending upon the acquisition of Butler. This basically indicates that Ishbia is going to continue to try and push this massive trainwreck for at least another two years. And by then, KD will either be retired or have no trade value left!!! And Butler will only have minimal to no trade value too at 38 years old and $60 million. And even Booker will have less perceived trade value at 30 years old (especially if he continues to struggle and regress.

I really hope that this doesn't happen because if it somehow does, then our future will be utterly destroyed with zero hope of getting back on track. And we'll then be in a worse rebuild than even under parsimonious Saver himself! We'd be looking at a 20-year rebuild minimum.

Lemme ask you this though ....

Do you really think Ishbia is willing to blow it up this soon after buying the team? Ticket sales would plummet. He's probably thinking that at least with these names on the team he can still fool people into buying tix.

Wonder if it's a situation where he wouldnt even think of blowing it all up until he's closer to break even in his investment.

FYI I'm currently in the blow it up camp.

Nope! I've actually replied to Bwgood with the same reply as I strongly believe that Ishbia will try to keep rolling forward no matter how bad it gets just to try and avoid taking accountability for his egregious mistakes! As far as ticket sales plummeting and fooling the fans, I think this current product is so bad that ticket sales will inevitably drop just as much if not more as a result of our dismal record and the hopeless situation that he's put us in. But again, I think he'll absolutely keep trying to pivot somehow and spin every opportunity to avoid the truth!

I think he'll absolutely try and continue for at least the next two years to prove this wasn't a failure even though the vast majority of the fanbase already has or is in the process of checking out. His price reduction for snacks, etc is an indication of the fan interest plummeting. And the more losses we continue to rack up while not having any assets or maneuverability will only push more fans away out of frustration and apathy. Regardless of all these warning signs, Ishbia will keep marching this franchise into the abyss. And even when he finally trades KD and Booker for diminished returns, he'll likely just trade those picks for even more aging vets and try this asinine strategy again!

I'm thinking Ish is like Proscrove (sp) the former Nets owner who forced the Paul Pierce/KG trade and led to the Celts getting Tatum and Brown. Completely ruining their future, then seeing as how it sucks to have a losing team with no picks and no cap room...he bailed. Sold the team. Ish seems like that kinda dude. Which I'm sure sounds good to some him selling, but it would mean that we would have another 6 yrs or so of crap and also us having the worst record and giving another team a franchise player.

Long story short, we ALL need to be against this Jimmy B thing.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Trade incoming!!
Nurkic to Washington for Valuncias, etc?????

My God did Nurkic fall off a cliff.

[TeamTragic]

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Trade incoming!!
Nurkic to Washington for Valuncias, etc?????

Nurkic trade within 48 hours.

[Slim Charless]

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Trade incoming!!
Nurkic to Washington for Valuncias, etc?????

My God did Nurkic fall off a cliff.

Would Minny do a Nurk/Greyson/Okogie combo for Rudy?

At least it gives us some defense at the 5. Gives them some depth and shooting to space things out alittle

[enigmatics]

Nurkic trade within 48 hours.

You're likely right.

[TeamTragic]

Nurkic trade within 48 hours.

You're likely right.

I think we move Nurkic first and then keep pushing for Butler.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Trade incoming!!
Nurkic to Washington for Valuncias, etc?????

My God did Nurkic fall off a cliff.

Would Minny do a Nurk/Greyson/Okogie combo for Rudy?

At least it gives us some defense at the 5. Gives them some depth and shooting to space things out a little

Unlikely with all the picks they gave up to get him there. And considering Nurkics' poor value currently. And that's on top of the fact that we can't aggregate outgoing salaries thanks to our owner Matt "Kendall Roy" Ishbia!!!.....

But every Minne fan I'v spoken with is adamant about getting Randle off their team. But again, we can't combine salaries outgoing in any trade thanks to the 2nd apron restrictions. We're stuck it seems man!

[Saberestar]

Nurkic trade within 48 hours.

You're likely right.

I would bet that is for Rob Williams.

Makes sense because Williams has 2 more years left on his contract so Nurkic having 1 more year it not a big problem for the Blazers.

Williams is exactly the type of C that we need, obviously the issue is his health but he is healthy now.

Nurkic + 2nd for Rob Williams.

[Slim Charless]

My God did Nurkic fall off a cliff.

Would Minny do a Nurk/Greyson/Okogie combo for Rudy?

At least it gives us some defense at the 5. Gives them some depth and shooting to space things out a little

Unlikely with all the picks they gave up to get him there. And considering Nurkics' poor value currently. And that's on top of the fact that we can't aggregate outgoing salaries thanks to our owner Matt "Kendall Roy" Ishbia!!!.....

But every Minne fan I'v spoken with is adamant about getting Randle off their team. But again, we can't combine salaries outgoing in any trade thanks to the 2nd apron restrictions. We're stuck it seems man!

Argh. Stupid 2nd apron

So we'd have to have a Booker trade 1st to clear us under that apron before we can aggregate players again.

The only thing good about Ish is his money and how he's willing to spend tons of it. Go figure that happens when the NBA changes the rules so that it's a bad thing now.

[Hitachi77]

I love Jimmy, but I don’t see how he’s the answer unless it’s from a leadership standpoint (to go along with playoff Jimmy). Though him destroying the Bucks / Celtics was historic.

[TeamTragic]

Nurkic trade within 48 hours.

You're likely right.

I would bet that is for Rob Williams.

Makes sense because Williams has 2 more years left on his contract so Nurkic having 1 more year it not a big problem for the Blazers.

Williams is exactly the type of C that we need, obviously the issue is his health but he is healthy now.

Nurkic + 2nd for Rob Williams.

That would be an upgrade.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Would Minny do a Nurk/Greyson/Okogie combo for Rudy?

At least it gives us some defense at the 5. Gives them some depth and shooting to space things out a little

Unlikely with all the picks they gave up to get him there. And considering Nurkics' poor value currently. And that's on top of the fact that we can't aggregate outgoing salaries thanks to our owner Matt "Kendall Roy" Ishbia!!!.....

But every Minne fan I'v spoken with is adamant about getting Randle off their team. But again, we can't combine salaries outgoing in any trade thanks to the 2nd apron restrictions. We're stuck it seems man!

Argh. Stupid 2nd apron

So we'd have to have a Booker trade 1st to clear us under that apron before we can aggregate players again.

The only thing good about Ish is his money and how he's willing to spend tons of it. Go figure that happens when the NBA changes the rules so that it's a bad thing now.

# Hold the line Beal!!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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This is why I myself and so many others kept pushing for Beal to come off the bench as our super 6th man! This is how we BEGIN to fix our team. Next is securing a long, athletic rim-running/shot-blocking 5 or 4/5. And last would be adding another 3 Pt sniper. That's why I like the Richards/Seth Curry trade Premise with Charlotte around Okogie and two 2nds. It balances out our roster much better with more size, athleticism, and defensive energy through Dunn starting. Allows both rotations to have a natural playmaker setting up our players to score, in ideal situations with limits turnovers by putting our scorers in their optimal scoring positions.

This gets our offense flowing more smoothly. And supercharges our bench scoring by having an elite scorer leading our bench, and running the offense through him so the rest of our bench rotation can play off of him more naturally. everyone plays in their more natural positions and thusly is in a more comfortable scoring rhythm.

The Suns should aggressively sell Beal on being the first to take the 6th man role to historic levels and entirely change the perception of that role by going nuclear offensively crushing opposing benches and setting historical records never before done in that role! After all, he's been a scoring champ, and that should really motivate him to set/break scoring records while proving he can be an offensive focal point and juggernaut for us. Beal destroying opposing benches will also help us get even stronger as we'd have the strongest bench in the NBA to help carry our team while also recouping Beals' perceived trade value to potential teams.

[Slim Charless]

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This needs to be spread to farthest corners of Sunsdom. In actuality Dunn as starter makes things better with his D and Beal can run and gun off the bench vs over matched 2nd units.

Let's keep this line-up the rest of the season Ishbia!