2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II

[KLEON]

If the Kings decide to blow it up, get me Sabonis please

[Mr Puddles]

I rarely post here….

I pop in to read posts and see any news.

It’s crazy how many people here call themselves fans and all they do is blast ownership, hate every move that is made, and think there is no future.

Who says that 2031 pick will be great. It’s 6 damn years away. Even without picks it’s easy to build a solid team.

People want to blow this team up? For what to suck for 10 plus years? I think we have been there before and the same people bitched about the team then.

We can trade Beal who is undersized and doesn’t get it done for a stronger better Butler. Straps us on cash but not longer then having Beal.

Matty ish runs this like a business. He’s a smart guy. Even if we don’t win a title we will never be a lottery team. That 2031 pick is whatever.

Why rebuild. You guys want to see us draft picks like Bender and Josh Jackson for 10 years…..

It is rare to draft players who are game changers. Look at the history of the draft. I say keep pushing.

If you don’t like what we are doing there are plenty of other teams to follow.

Finally someone whose posts aren't all doom and gloom. The start of the season has been disappointing, but at the same time the Suns are only 3 games behind the Nuggets for the 4th record in the West (7th best in the league) - it's not like this season is beyond salvation.

The Mavericks were a top heavy, unbalanced team, that missed the play-in and was middling about for half a season until they made shrewed trade deadline moves that addressed their weaknesses. Nick Richards is a step in the right direction, so I moving Beal to the bench, if we can make a couple more moves for high quality role players that address weaknesses in rebounding, defense, rim protection I don't see why this team can't make a turn around

[MrMiyagi]

Exactly that is one your arm chair posts. You don’t actually know. No one knows. Again ishbia is a business man.

All hail lord business!

Seriously, though, I have no idea how people have this kind of attitude. Business people are the worst. A majority of businesses fail and the ones who succeed tend to lie, cheat, and steal.

Yes lie, cheap, and steal.

You will grow up one day and quit saying the same thing day after day after day.

You believe in Sucks-ess. Gotta open wide for billionaire daddies to fill your belly with that golden trickle from their pickles.

[dcoop]

Not saying championship. But how does butler not make us better. Beal is not that good with this group. We are. Not losing anything making this move. Even if we trade all 3 picks. We can get more over the years especially when we finally do blow it up.

[dcoop]

All hail lord business!

Seriously, though, I have no idea how people have this kind of attitude. Business people are the worst. A majority of businesses fail and the ones who succeed tend to lie, cheat, and steal.

Yes lie, cheap, and steal.

You will grow up one day and quit saying the same thing day after day after day.

You believe in Sucks-ess. Gotta open wide for billionaire daddies to fill your belly with that golden trickle from their pickles.

That answers the age… nice work.

[MrMiyagi]

Not saying championship. But how does butler not make us better. Beal is not that good with this group. We are. Not losing anything making this move. Even if we trade all 3 picks. We can get more over the years especially when we finally do blow it up.

Did Durant make us better? I believe our win totals went down after that acquisition.

[MrMiyagi]

Yes lie, cheap, and steal.

You will grow up one day and quit saying the same thing day after day after day.

You believe in Sucks-ess. Gotta open wide for billionaire daddies to fill your belly with that golden trickle from their pickles.

That answers the age… nice work.

So hoarding natural resources and creating false scarcity, or lobbying governments into allowing you to become monopolies is totally fair and ethical?

Keep praising Ishbia on this board, I'm sure he'll see it and let you shine his shoes for him.

[dcoop]

Not saying championship. But how does butler not make us better. Beal is not that good with this group. We are. Not losing anything making this move. Even if we trade all 3 picks. We can get more over the years especially when we finally do blow it up.

Did Durant make us better? I believe our win totals went down after that acquisition.

What is your plan? You want to be a losing team in the lottery in hope we can get good draft picks? In the mean time not make a playoff run for 10 years? It just doesn’t make sense right now.

[dcoop]

You believe in Sucks-ess. Gotta open wide for billionaire daddies to fill your belly with that golden trickle from their pickles.

That answers the age… nice work.

So hoarding natural resources and creating false scarcity, or lobbying governments into allowing you to become monopolies is totally fair and ethical?

Keep praising Ishbia on this board, I'm sure he'll see it and let you shine his shoes for him.

Shine his shoes… come on man…..

You can shine my shoes.

[MrMiyagi]

Not saying championship. But how does butler not make us better. Beal is not that good with this group. We are. Not losing anything making this move. Even if we trade all 3 picks. We can get more over the years especially when we finally do blow it up.

Did Durant make us better? I believe our win totals went down after that acquisition.

What is your plan? You want to be a losing team in the lottery in hope we can get good draft picks? In the mean time not make a playoff run for 10 years? It just doesn’t make sense right now.

We're not making a playoff run right now. I just want to watch a fun team that plays well - which we **** had before the man to whom you are currently acting as a bidet for bought the team.

[dcoop]

Sorry guys. Continue on.

[dcoop]

Did Durant make us better? I believe our win totals went down after that acquisition.

What is your plan? You want to be a losing team in the lottery in hope we can get good draft picks? In the mean time not make a playoff run for 10 years? It just doesn’t make sense right now.

We're not making a playoff run right now. I just want to watch a fun team that plays well - which we **** had before the man to whom you are currently acting as a bidet for bought the team.

Please define a “bidet” son!

[MrMiyagi]

What is your plan? You want to be a losing team in the lottery in hope we can get good draft picks? In the mean time not make a playoff run for 10 years? It just doesn’t make sense right now.

We're not making a playoff run right now. I just want to watch a fun team that plays well - which we **** had before the man to whom you are currently acting as a bidet for bought the team.

Please define a “bidet” son!

It's french. Look it up.

[SunsRback4Good]

Sorry guys. Continue on.

PLEASE LEAVE BEFOREEEEEE I GET EXTREMELYYYYY ANGRY!!!!!!

[dcoop]

We're not making a playoff run right now. I just want to watch a fun team that plays well - which we **** had before the man to whom you are currently acting as a bidet for bought the team.

Please define a “bidet” son!

It's french. Look it up.

All good. I’m not French. I’m from Arizona.

[dcoop]

Sorry guys. Continue on.

PLEASE LEAVE BEFOREEEEEE I GET EXTREMELYYYYY ANGRY!!!!!!

Why would you get extremely angry?

[MrMiyagi]

Please define a “bidet” son!

It's french. Look it up.

All good. I’m not French. I’m from Arizona.

Probably never left the state either, but America is the gratest cunntry on earf!

[sunsbg]

Not saying championship. But how does butler not make us better. Beal is not that good with this group. We are. Not losing anything making this move. Even if we trade all 3 picks. We can get more over the years especially when we finally do blow it up.

Slightly better, but no championship at the expense of three picks is a good business to you ? Overpaying in every trade is a good business to you ? Saying stuff like Suns will never be in the lottery when they are so close to the lottery and probably an injury away to their aging fragile stars from a high lottery pick is not very smart.

[MrMiyagi]

Not saying championship. But how does butler not make us better. Beal is not that good with this group. We are. Not losing anything making this move. Even if we trade all 3 picks. We can get more over the years especially when we finally do blow it up.

Slightly better, but no championship at the expense of three picks is a good business to you ? Overpaying in every trade is a good business to you ? Saying stuff like Suns will never be in the lottery when they are so close to the lottery and probably an injury away to their aging fragile stars from a high lottery pick is not very smart.

Hey, that's an Arizona Man! That's the mind of a 14th percentile!

[lilfishi22]

I rarely post here….

I pop in to read posts and see any news.

It’s crazy how many people here call themselves fans and all they do is blast ownership, hate every move that is made, and think there is no future.

Who says that 2031 pick will be great. It’s 6 damn years away. Even without picks it’s easy to build a solid team.

People want to blow this team up? For what to suck for 10 plus years? I think we have been there before and the same people bitched about the team then.

We can trade Beal who is undersized and doesn’t get it done for a stronger better Butler. Straps us on cash but not longer then having Beal.

Matty ish runs this like a business. He’s a smart guy. Even if we don’t win a title we will never be a lottery team. That 2031 pick is whatever.

Why rebuild. You guys want to see us draft picks like Bender and Josh Jackson for 10 years…..

It is rare to draft players who are game changers. Look at the history of the draft. I say keep pushing.

If you don’t like what we are doing there are plenty of other teams to follow.

You can have balanced takes without being overly critical or overly dismissive. Saying ishbia runs it like a business and that he's a smart guy doesn't necessarily mean he can run an NBA team successfully. Virtually every NBA owner have had extremely successful business careers (that's how the could afford being an owner) but you could probably count on one hand the number of actually good owners and more often than not, the bet ones are the ones you hear the least from. I mean, when's the last time we heard from owners like Grousbeck and Holt. At the same time, some of the worst decisions made over the past decade or so have been, loudly, done by overly hands-on owners like Sarver with his cost savings, Vivek, Jordan, Dolan etc.

Success in business =/= success in the NBA

I like a lot of what Ish has done, especially the off the court stuff like bringing back a G-League team, setting $2 concessions, bringing Suns basketball to local TV, allowed our front office to spend and I think he's just been a great owner from a community and fan perspective. Where he's fallen is being far too hands-on in the business of making deals

Right. What has he done wrong so far? No one knows. Everyone is guessing at this point.

Let it play out. Spend what you have to spend. You got players for 3 years. If it doesn’t work then blow it up. Open your pocket book and that 2031 isn’t going to be what people think

So far, two of his signature moves has yet to pay any dividends. We're deeper into the 2nd apron than ever, have by far the biggest total spend of any team in the league ($90m more than 2nd place), have fewer quality draft capital than before and despite a pretty soft schedule thus far, we've been hovering around .500 for most of the season.

The KD/Beal/Book experiment is already half way through the 2nd season and empirically, we're not even better than we were last season which most fans and probably Ishbia himself consider a disappointment.