Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

Post #21 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 3:37 pm

If we lose him, lets see how the guard rotation plays out between Dragic, IT and Green. Hornacek did wonders last year and perhaps he can make it work well. Defense will drop but we will have guys more eager to be with the Suns and always giving it their all playing fast.

Fo-Real · Post #22 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 3:44 pm

bwgood77 wrote:If we lose him, lets see how the guard rotation plays out between Dragic, IT and Green. Hornacek did wonders last year and perhaps he can make it work well. Defense will drop but we will have guys more eager to be with the Suns and always giving it their all playing fast.

Yup, either Bled comes back or I trust Mc D to bring in someone who fills a role to the fullest. Wouldnt mid Waiters Dragic starting backcourt. Let Bled take the Q.O. and slide him to his daddy Bron, but you got to give up Waiters since the salaries come close to matching at that point. I really think Bledso's breakout season also had something to do with our system and Dragic being next to him. If we bring back talent for trading him... I fully expect that talent to have a career year.... just like every other player on our team last year. Not saying bled isnt talented.... just that I trust that we had something to do with his success also.

Zelaznyrules · Post #23 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 4:10 pm

Fo-Real wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:If we lose him, lets see how the guard rotation plays out between Dragic, IT and Green. Hornacek did wonders last year and perhaps he can make it work well. Defense will drop but we will have guys more eager to be with the Suns and always giving it their all playing fast.

Yup, either Bled comes back or I trust Mc D to bring in someone who fills a role to the fullest. Wouldnt mid Waiters Dragic starting backcourt. Let Bled take the Q.O. and slide him to his daddy Bron, but you got to give up Waiters since the salaries come close to matching at that point. I really think Bledso's breakout season also had something to do with our system and Dragic being next to him. If we bring back talent for trading him... I fully expect that talent to have a career year.... just like every other player on our team last year. Not saying bled isnt talented.... just that I trust that we had something to do with his success also.

Actually I don't think he benefitted all that much from our system unless you're strictly talking about the 2 point guard aspect of it. Jeff clearly wanted him to pick up the pace and he fought against it regularly. But he definitely benefitted from playing next to Dragic.

If Eric had been the only playmaker on our starting team, his flaws would have been even more obvious. He's decent in the pick and roll and turnovers not withstanding, he's pretty good at getting his own offense but that's about it. Fortunately for him, it's his defense that makes him special and that will show up with any team that can afford to play him starter minutes. But if they don't pair him with a player capable of running the offense efficiently, he'll likely be a disappointment if he goes elsewhere.

Split T · Post #24 » by **Split T** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 4:46 pm

If we're trading Bled anyways, I'm actually ok with a Bled for Gordon based deal. I'd want something added from New Orleans because Bledsoe is actually less risky health wise than Gordon, but if healthy he'd be great next to dragic and only has two years left on his contract. Not terrible. Gordon and a 1st for Bledsoe is better than bledsoe on a QO. I'd take Jrue over Gordon, but don't think NO would go for that.

There really just isn't much trade options out there. Milwaukee could put a semi-decent offer out there (knight,henson,1st) sacramento(williams, stauskas) minnesotta (bennett, lavine) lakers(randle) celtics(rondo) hornets (vonleh, kidd-gilchrist). Actually hornets might make sense. Don't think we really have need for gilchrist, he's a more athletic tucker without the corner 3, but he's got some value still.

Fo-Real · Post #25 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 5:10 pm

Zelaznyrules wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:If we lose him, lets see how the guard rotation plays out between Dragic, IT and Green. Hornacek did wonders last year and perhaps he can make it work well. Defense will drop but we will have guys more eager to be with the Suns and always giving it their all playing fast.

Yup, either Bled comes back or I trust Mc D to bring in someone who fills a role to the fullest. Wouldnt mid Waiters Dragic starting backcourt. Let Bled take the Q.O. and slide him to his daddy Bron, but you got to give up Waiters since the salaries come close to matching at that point. I really think Bledso's breakout season also had something to do with our system and Dragic being next to him. If we bring back talent for trading him... I fully expect that talent to have a career year.... just like every other player on our team last year. Not saying bled isnt talented.... just that I trust that we had something to do with his success also.

Actually I don't think he benefitted all that much from our system unless you're strictly talking about the 2 point guard aspect of it. Jeff clearly wanted him to pick up the pace and he fought against it regularly. But he definitely benefitted from playing next to Dragic.

If Eric had been the only playmaker on our starting team, his flaws would have been even more obvious. He's decent in the pick and roll and turnovers not withstanding, he's pretty good at getting his own offense but that's about it. Fortunately for him, it's his defense that makes him special and that will show up with any team that can afford to play him starter minutes. But if they don't pair him with a player capable of running the offense efficiently, he'll likely be a disappointment if he goes elsewhere.

The system witch also included Dragic helped to spread the floor for him, so we agree. Yes, he is one of the best defenders at the guard posistion and it sucks that that would be gone.

Post #26 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 5:15 pm

Fo-Real wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:If we lose him, lets see how the guard rotation plays out between Dragic, IT and Green. Hornacek did wonders last year and perhaps he can make it work well. Defense will drop but we will have guys more eager to be with the Suns and always giving it their all playing fast.

Yup, either Bled comes back or I trust Mc D to bring in someone who fills a role to the fullest. Wouldnt mid Waiters Dragic starting backcourt. Let Bled take the Q.O. and slide him to his daddy Bron, but you got to give up Waiters since the salaries come close to matching at that point. I really think Bledso's breakout season also had something to do with our system and Dragic being next to him. If we bring back talent for trading him... I fully expect that talent to have a career year.... just like every other player on our team last year. Not saying bled isnt talented.... just that I trust that we had something to do with his success also.

I like Waiters ok, but I don't think he'd fit. It's too bad MKG can't shoot or he might be a good guy to go after. If he could hit threes he would be a nice defensive/energy guy to play with Dragic and/or IT.

Post #27 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 5:17 pm

Zelaznyrules wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:If we lose him, lets see how the guard rotation plays out between Dragic, IT and Green. Hornacek did wonders last year and perhaps he can make it work well. Defense will drop but we will have guys more eager to be with the Suns and always giving it their all playing fast.

Yup, either Bled comes back or I trust Mc D to bring in someone who fills a role to the fullest. Wouldnt mid Waiters Dragic starting backcourt. Let Bled take the Q.O. and slide him to his daddy Bron, but you got to give up Waiters since the salaries come close to matching at that point. I really think Bledso's breakout season also had something to do with our system and Dragic being next to him. If we bring back talent for trading him... I fully expect that talent to have a career year.... just like every other player on our team last year. Not saying bled isnt talented.... just that I trust that we had something to do with his success also.

Actually I don't think he benefitted all that much from our system unless you're strictly talking about the 2 point guard aspect of it. Jeff clearly wanted him to pick up the pace and he fought against it regularly. But he definitely benefitted from playing next to Dragic.

If Eric had been the only playmaker on our starting team, his flaws would have been even more obvious. He's decent in the pick and roll and turnovers not withstanding, he's pretty good at getting his own offense but that's about it. Fortunately for him, it's his defense that makes him special and that will show up with any team that can afford to play him starter minutes. But if they don't pair him with a player capable of running the offense efficiently, he'll likely be a disappointment if he goes elsewhere.

Yeah, I believe lineups with Bledsoe and no Dragic, where Bledsoe ran the team they were a -2.2 or something and would have paced to win about 30 games, whereas as Dragic by himself was 500, but slightly on the overall + side.

Fo-Real · Post #28 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 5:29 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:If we lose him, lets see how the guard rotation plays out between Dragic, IT and Green. Hornacek did wonders last year and perhaps he can make it work well. Defense will drop but we will have guys more eager to be with the Suns and always giving it their all playing fast.

Yup, either Bled comes back or I trust Mc D to bring in someone who fills a role to the fullest. Wouldnt mid Waiters Dragic starting backcourt. Let Bled take the Q.O. and slide him to his daddy Bron, but you got to give up Waiters since the salaries come close to matching at that point. I really think Bledso's breakout season also had something to do with our system and Dragic being next to him. If we bring back talent for trading him... I fully expect that talent to have a career year.... just like every other player on our team last year. Not saying bled isnt talented.... just that I trust that we had something to do with his success also.

I like Waiters ok, but I don't think he'd fit. It's too bad MKG can't shoot or he might be a good guy to go after. If he could hit threes he would be a nice defensive/energy guy to play with Dragic and/or IT.

You never really know who fits wether it be mental or physical game until you see how the coach utilizes thier game in the scheme or adjusts the players prospective of being used. No one thought Gerald Green would actually up his game and only thought of him as salary throw in. Waiters is an athlete and scorer hard ass. If nothing else he would become an asset to include in another deal because of his age and potential. One of the reasons I even thought he might be in play is because in that vid someone posted of the Morri, I noticed Waiters was also there every day working out and hoped for a connection. Bledso is working out in Clevland with Bron.... Waiters is working out with our starting and possibly back up Pfs. COINCIDENCE..... probably.

DirtyDez · Post #29 » by **DirtyDez** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 5:36 pm

Bledsoe controls any trade before December 15th if he signs the QO right? Or is it that he can't be traded until 12/15 and controls his situation past then? That's a gamechanger if true because we'd be stuck with someone who could hurt chemistry and the Suns don't wanna do this two summers in a row.

JDLAW · Post #30 » by **JDLAW** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 6:23 pm

DirtyDez wrote:Bledsoe controls any trade before December 15th if he signs the QO right? Or is it that he can't be traded until 12/15 and controls his situation past then? That's a gamechanger if true because we'd be stuck with someone who could hurt chemistry and the Suns don't wanna do this two summers in a row.

If Bledsoe signs the QO, he has a right to veto any trade for the entire season. Keep one other thing in mind. If he is traded during the season the team acquiring him does not get Bird rights. If he plays the entire season with the Suns on a QO, the Suns still have Bird rights that might become useful if Bledsoe wants to play for a team that does not have enough cap space to sign him outright. He has to play nice because he might need the Suns cooperation next off season. The two teams mentioned as being interested - LAL and Hou, will both likely need an "assist" from the Suns to acquire Bledsoe as a maxed out free agent - that is assuming they would still have an interest after next season.

ShawnBronald · Post #31 » by **ShawnBronald** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 6:37 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/507933158327992320[/tweet]

Sunsdeuce · Post #32 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 6:56 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mikeryan_77/status/507962418598006784[/tweet]
Note lebrons comment at the bottom. Not sure what break bread means but may be saying pay Bledsoe. Proper English would help.

Calvin Klein · Post #33 » by **Calvin Klein** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 7:02 pm

Really hoping we trade him now. **** tired of this crap.

Sunsdeuce · Post #34 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 7:07 pm

Calvin Klein wrote:Really hoping we trade him now. **** tired of this crap.

I was at that point months ago. I have never seen this happen with any phx athletes before (mcdyess sorta). Bledsoe has burned too many bridges (phx fans, phx community, phx charities, suns organization). He has done NOTHING for anyone in the phx area. He is nothing more than a selfish person and that is not a representation of the phx community or fanbase. He needs to go to the lakers or stick with the lebron crew because they accept this kinda stuff.

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NavLDO · Post #35 » by **NavLDO** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 7:09 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/mikeryan_77/status/507962418598006784[/tweet]
Note lebrons comment at the bottom. Not sure what break bread means but may be saying pay Bledsoe. Proper English would help.

Since James has plenty of bread to break, why don't he just make up the difference and bring him to Cleveland! We'll take Waiters and a 1st and what ever else will make it happen, please.

JDLAW · Post #36 » by **JDLAW** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 7:27 pm

ShawnBronald wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/507933158327992320[/tweet]

So it's ture Paul and Lebron have a new bagboy/media flunky to carry their message. If it is truly 6 months that would mean there have been no communications since March. This idiot cannot get the facts straight with a calendar. Some journalist!

As for LeBron's endorsement "future all-star" and to "Break Bread". Here's a hint tell your friend and agent (i use that work loosely") to come to PHX and sit at the negotiation table. They have been invited!

Fo-Real · Post #37 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 7:29 pm

Funny Bron says break bread (have a sit down.... have a meal.... not bread as in money), yet its Bledso's camp that wont come and sit and negotiate!!!

Fo-Real · Post #38 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 7:31 pm

Or is this a message for his agent and lil bro also to get thier asses to the table. Maybe he is playing moderator

JDLAW · Post #39 » by **JDLAW** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 7:57 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Or is this a message for his agent and lil bro also to get thier asses to the table. Maybe he is playing moderator

HE is trying to create a face saving opportunity for that idiot he calls an agent.

Fo-Real · Post #40 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Sep 5, 2014 8:00 pm

JDLAW wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Or is this a message for his agent and lil bro also to get thier asses to the table. Maybe he is playing moderator

HE is trying to create a face saving opportunity for that idiot he calls an agent.

Someone has to.... not like he is actually going to take the Q.O. So not they can say they decided to negotiate because they were finally invited, even though they were invited several times starting months ago!!!