Is Goran's regression due to 3 PG system or was last year a fluke?

[In Len We Trust]

You're not giving McD his due. He hired Jeff Hornacek, he traded Scola for Green and Plum, traded Gortat (which allowed us to play the way we did last year), traded Dudley for Bledsoe, drafted Alex Len, drafted/acquired young talent (Warren, Ennis, Goodwin, Bullock)...let us not forget the days of Sean Marks being out 9th man.....yikes!, acquired Brandan Wright, stuck to his guns and resigned Bledsoe at less than the max. Tolliver was a mistake, but one he recognized early and fixed (basically upgraded from Tolly to Wright), and in my opinion the jury is still out on IT. So, he's made 2 mistakes in his 2 years as GM here, one of which he's already fixed at no cost to the team. So one mistake in 2 years, or 1 mistake in call it, 10 decisions? I'll take a 90% success rate.

Hiring Hornacek was easily his worst move. Overall he's a great GM though.

Don't agree with that. Hornacek, a first time head coach, took a roster most thought would be lucky to win 20 games and won 48. This year, he's got us in the playoff picture. He's not perfect and he has some things to improve upon, but he's doing good work, can't honestly think of another realistic candidate who would have been better.

People give Hornacek too much credit because the team was projected to be bad. Bledsoe was a great fit and was better than people expected, everybody thought our Center position would be a disaster but at least Plumlee was solid for half of the season, nobody knew Green could shoot like that, everyone thought Frye's career was over and he ended up being a huge impact player, nobody expected Goran to improve his 3pt shooting so much, and more. I'll give Hornacek some credit, overall I'd rate him a B+ for last season, he did make some mistakes.

This year, I give him a D- or a D. He's been atrocious, I don't know what happened. I consider him responsible for around half of our losses. I don't know who else we could have hired at the time though, I can't remember who the candidates were.

[Barkley6]

Hiring Hornacek was easily his worst move. Overall he's a great GM though.

Don't agree with that. Hornacek, a first time head coach, took a roster most thought would be lucky to win 20 games and won 48. This year, he's got us in the playoff picture. He's not perfect and he has some things to improve upon, but he's doing good work, can't honestly think of another realistic candidate who would have been better.

People give Hornacek too much credit because the team was projected to be bad. Bledsoe was a great fit and was better than people expected, everybody thought our Center position would be a disaster but at least Plumlee was solid for half of the season, nobody knew Green could shoot like that, everyone thought Frye's career was over and he ended up being a huge impact player, nobody expected Goran to improve his 3pt shooting so much, and more. I'll give Hornacek some credit, overall I'd rate him a B+ for last season, he did make some mistakes.

This year, I give him a D- or a D. He's been atrocious, I don't know what happened. I consider him responsible for around half of our losses. I don't know who else we could have hired at the time though, I can't remember who the candidates were.

I agree there have been some coaching issues this year, but give Hornacek a lot of credit. He made Markieff and Marcus look like legit NBA players, he's gotten the multi-PG system to work, he made the decision to start Len over Plumlee, who as you pointed out was the starting C on a 48 win team.

The other candidates were: Lindsay Hunter, J.B. Bickerstaff, Steve Clifford, and Quin Snyder.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--suns- ... 01633.html

I think Hornacek was the right hire.

[In Len We Trust]

Don't agree with that. Hornacek, a first time head coach, took a roster most thought would be lucky to win 20 games and won 48. This year, he's got us in the playoff picture. He's not perfect and he has some things to improve upon, but he's doing good work, can't honestly think of another realistic candidate who would have been better.

People give Hornacek too much credit because the team was projected to be bad. Bledsoe was a great fit and was better than people expected, everybody thought our Center position would be a disaster but at least Plumlee was solid for half of the season, nobody knew Green could shoot like that, everyone thought Frye's career was over and he ended up being a huge impact player, nobody expected Goran to improve his 3pt shooting so much, and more. I'll give Hornacek some credit, overall I'd rate him a B+ for last season, he did make some mistakes.

This year, I give him a D- or a D. He's been atrocious, I don't know what happened. I consider him responsible for around half of our losses. I don't know who else we could have hired at the time though, I can't remember who the candidates were.

I agree there have been some coaching issues this year, but give Hornacek a lot of credit. He made Markieff and Marcus look like legit NBA players, he's gotten the multi-PG system to work, he made the decision to start Len over Plumlee, who as you pointed out was the starting C on a 48 win team.

The other candidates were: Lindsay Hunter, J.B. Bickerstaff, Steve Clifford, and Quin Snyder.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--suns- ... 01633.html

I think Hornacek was the right hire.

I won't disagree with you crediting Hornacek for the emergence of the Morrii last year, but you also have to give them credit as well because they put more hard work through time and effort into their games than anyone else on the team.

I nearly spit my drink out when I saw you give credit to Horny for starting Len. Are you kidding me? I was calling for Len to start 1 week into the season. When Miles Plumlee was starting he was literally the worst starter at any position in the entire NBA and Len was outperforming him every game. Despite this it took Hornacek 1 1/2 months to make the most obvious lineup change ever. IMO that's the dumbest highlight of Hornacek this season.

Plumlee = TRASH

[Frank Lee]

You mean a fluke bad signing?

Lets hope.... but I was snidely whiplashing McDo here.... as both our off season signings (IT+ Tolly) have had question marks on them. McDo started out great guns with Bled for Dud, ...cant recall if he had anything to to with Scola, but since then.....??? A decent draft , may be two....? And .. um ... and ....?

GM's fall prey to the 'What have you done for me lately' litmus test more than most.

You're not giving McD his due. He hired Jeff Hornacek, he traded Scola for Green and Plum, traded Gortat (which allowed us to play the way we did last year), traded Dudley for Bledsoe, drafted Alex Len, drafted/acquired young talent (Warren, Ennis, Goodwin, Bullock)...let us not forget the days of Sean Marks being out 9th man.....yikes!, acquired Brandan Wright, stuck to his guns and resigned Bledsoe at less than the max. Tolliver was a mistake, but one he recognized early and fixed (basically upgraded from Tolly to Wright), and in my opinion the jury is still out on IT. So, he's made 2 mistakes in his 2 years as GM here, one of which he's already fixed at no cost to the team. So one mistake in 2 years, or 1 mistake in call it, 10 decisions? I'll take a 90% success rate.

Oh my, the amazing McDo... Scola essentially got us Archie Goodwin, who, along with Warren and Ennis are unknowns. Don't be so quick to feather McDo's hat with them. We no essentially nothing about their abilities. Green and Plum... Given my choice, I'd take Scola over those two, as neither is likely to be around in the future.... may be it would have been just as easy to buy the archie pick. Scola is exactly the type of vet this team needs much like TheGortat.

Gortat got us Ennis. Yay. Having the original GrownAssMan would have put us in the playoffs. He'd be an awesome mentor for Len. GMan is solid. I'm not giving a blue ribbon for that deal either, far from it.

Tolliver and Thomas ? ...both smoke up the ass signings that were reaches IMO. One in ability the other in need. Consider this, you think if we lose one of IT or Dragic, that we continue a 3PG lineup? Are we going to plug in Ennis and ISO our way through another yr? Fat chance. Its an F-n experiment, the sooner we admit it the sooner we can can it. Its an experiment to justify signing IT. A solid argument could be made that acquiring IT stunted the growth of Bledsoe and Dragic. (and Ennis) Those guys were balling last yr. Learning to play with each other and with the rest. And yes, mark me down as IT being the reason Dragic isn't the same.

You can go ahead and take your 90% approval of McDo, time will tell on him.... He's is certainly competent, but the honeymoon is over with me. The next couple of deals he makes had better pay bigger dividends.... as the last 'big' one(IT) is now requiring further attention and may end up costing us Dragic. You really think we'd ink up IT right now if he was available??? So far, we have taken a step back or at least to the side from last yr. The only progress I see is Len. The rest ?? I'm not so sure. There have been some individual strides, but collectively...??? :bang head: Toss in the in-house grumblings and rumblings with a coach who is very frustrated in the inability of his team to execute.... one could wonder if this is how the FO saw it way back in July.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I think some of you are over reacting on Goran, mcd, and horny.

IMO this regression was to be expected. Last year they came out of no where with no pressure and caught some team off guard. This year you have higher expectations and other teams aren't letting their guards down. We also saw nearly the whole rotation have career years; regression back to the mean should have been expected. This happens all the time in the NBA and sports in general. The true test is will this team learn from its struggles and get better. Learning to play with expectations is part of the growth process for players and young teams as a whole. It's not easy.

This regime was brought in with the goal of building a future contender. The goal was never to contend this season. Now the jury is still out on all of them but it's more appropriate to judge where they are two years from now than today.

Patience is hard to have as a sports fan and we want to always see improvement but realistically it's a process and not unusual to see two steps forward and then a step back.
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[Barkley6]

Lets hope.... but I was snidely whiplashing McDo here.... as both our off season signings (IT+ Tolly) have had question marks on them. McDo started out great guns with Bled for Dud, ...cant recall if he had anything to to with Scola, but since then.....??? A decent draft , may be two....? And .. um ... and ....?

GM's fall prey to the 'What have you done for me lately' litmus test more than most.

You're not giving McD his due. He hired Jeff Hornacek, he traded Scola for Green and Plum, traded Gortat (which allowed us to play the way we did last year), traded Dudley for Bledsoe, drafted Alex Len, drafted/acquired young talent (Warren, Ennis, Goodwin, Bullock)...let us not forget the days of Sean Marks being out 9th man.....yikes!, acquired Brandan Wright, stuck to his guns and resigned Bledsoe at less than the max. Tolliver was a mistake, but one he recognized early and fixed (basically upgraded from Tolly to Wright), and in my opinion the jury is still out on IT. So, he's made 2 mistakes in his 2 years as GM here, one of which he's already fixed at no cost to the team. So one mistake in 2 years, or 1 mistake in call it, 10 decisions? I'll take a 90% success rate.

Oh my, the amazing McDo... Scola essentially got us Archie Goodwin, who, along with Warren and Ennis are unknowns. Don't be so quick to feather McDo's hat with them. We no essentially nothing about their abilities. Green and Plum... Given my choice, I'd take Scola over those two, as neither is likely to be around in the future.... may be it would have been just as easy to buy the archie pick. Scola is exactly the type of vet this team needs much like TheGortat.

Gortat got us Ennis. Yay. Having the original GrownAssMan would have put us in the playoffs. He'd be an awesome mentor for Len. GMan is solid. I'm not giving a blue ribbon for that deal either, far from it.

Tolliver and Thomas ? ...both smoke up the ass signings that were reaches IMO. One in ability the other in need. Consider this, you think if we lose one of IT or Dragic, that we continue a 3PG lineup? Are we going to plug in Ennis and ISO our way through another yr? Fat chance. Its an F-n experiment, the sooner we admit it the sooner we can can it. Its an experiment to justify signing IT. A solid argument could be made that acquiring IT stunted the growth of Bledsoe and Dragic. (and Ennis) Those guys were balling last yr. Learning to play with each other and with the rest. And yes, mark me down as IT being the reason Dragic isn't the same.

You can go ahead and take your 90% approval of McDo, time will tell on him.... He's is certainly competent, but the honeymoon is over with me. The next couple of deals he makes had better pay bigger dividends.... as the last 'big' one(IT) is now requiring further attention and may end up costing us Dragic. You really think we'd ink up IT right now if he was available??? So far, we have taken a step back or at least to the side from last yr. The only progress I see is Len. The rest ?? I'm not so sure. There have been some individual strides, but collectively...??? :bang head: Toss in the in-house grumblings and rumblings with a coach who is very frustrated in the inability of his team to execute.... one could wonder if this is how the FO saw it way back in July.

So you're saying that Scola netted us Goodwin, because Plumlee and Green may not be here long term? Scola is 34, (33 last year, if you like), had no place on a team that was in a transitional phase and would have slowed down our offense immensely. Getting 2 rotation players and a pick out of a 33 year old vet was a shrewd move. Gortat didn't want to be here. I agree that on the court, he would have been an asset, but he thought we were destined for the cellar, made it known he didn't want to be here, and so McD shipped him out. I think that's a gutsy move, and I think it was a smart one, who wants a guy like Gortat undermining a first year head coach? Yes, in hindsight, Gortat would have helped us last year, but on what was projected to be a 20 win team, he wasn't necessary. That move in context makes sense. Tolliver was a bad call, and as I said, one that was fixed relatively quickly (Tolliver couldn't be traded until Dec 15th, was traded on the 24th, pretty quick trigger to fix what was clearly a mistake). I'm not saying the 3 PG lineup is going to take the league by storm, but it has been an effective lineup for us in spots, and a lot of coaches would be very wary of having 3 players that small on the floor at once, it won't work for long stretches, but in short bursts it has proven lethal. Yeah, something is off with this team, because they don't look like they are playing to their full potential, but you can't really discredit McD as a reason why. In my opinion, he's made the right decision way more often than he's made the wrong one.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Goran is certainly more comfortable as a 1 on offense. But it's really in his best interest to figure out the 2 guard spot. He's not a good defender at either spot but he has a much easier time guarding 2s. He struggles to keep quick 1s in front of him and this is only going to get worse with age.

Bledsoe can play in out of control hero mode at times that leads to turnovers and bad shots but I'd still choose him over Goran as my point the next five years. He's has a higher upside because of his age and physical talent and is world's better defensively. With him most of his mistakes are very fixable and should naturally improve with experience.
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[SideSwipe]

No matter what you think of the fit of IT on the floor, the IT signing was a great signing at the price we got him. Keep in mind IT was signed before Bledsoe re-upped. We thought we might need to be running with Dragic at PG, Green at SG, with IT backing up those two spots. or possibly starting alongside Dragic. The signing was good, IT has delivered performances, but it has come to Dragic's detriment. he has sacrificed the most in the efforts to try to make this work. It might be throwing off his head now too....a change needs to be made to get him back to peak performance, because his peak is still better than any peak performance we've seen from anyone else on the team -imo

[Revived]

You're not giving McD his due. He hired Jeff Hornacek, he traded Scola for Green and Plum, traded Gortat (which allowed us to play the way we did last year), traded Dudley for Bledsoe, drafted Alex Len, drafted/acquired young talent (Warren, Ennis, Goodwin, Bullock)...let us not forget the days of Sean Marks being out 9th man.....yikes!, acquired Brandan Wright, stuck to his guns and resigned Bledsoe at less than the max. Tolliver was a mistake, but one he recognized early and fixed (basically upgraded from Tolly to Wright), and in my opinion the jury is still out on IT. So, he's made 2 mistakes in his 2 years as GM here, one of which he's already fixed at no cost to the team. So one mistake in 2 years, or 1 mistake in call it, 10 decisions? I'll take a 90% success rate.

Hiring Hornacek was easily his worst move. Overall he's a great GM though.

Don't agree with that. Hornacek, a first time head coach, took a roster most thought would be lucky to win 20 games and won 48. This year, he's got us in the playoff picture. He's not perfect and he has some things to improve upon, but he's doing good work, can't honestly think of another realistic candidate who would have been better.

I think Mike Budenholzer would have implemented a better system in place here in PHX. A system that relies on ball movement and moving without basketball.

I don't know and I don't care if he would have got 48 wins out of them last year but I care more about long run system that the coach puts in place.

Ball movement/efficient/ball moving system >> Hornacek trying to copy D'Antoni offense

[WeekapaugGroove]

People talk about the fit with IT and Goran but to me the guy who doesn't fit with IT is Green. It's good to have an instant offense guy off the bench but two of them can be a bit much. I was all for trading IT a month ago but he's grown on me and now I'd be more interested in dealing green. Well unless they could get good value in return for IT then by sure make the deal.

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[Revived]

If IT doesn't fit on our team then he wont fit on any team in the NBA. Too good to be a bench player, not good enough to be a starter (due to height). I know if he was a bit taller he could actually see the offense. We're a team in the best situation to incorporate any style of player so if he can't pull it off here he ain't going to pull it off anywhere.

He's 6'3. All teams that are interested in him in free agency are looking at him as their PG.

How is 6'3 not tall enough for a PG?

He's talking about Isaiah Thomas

Whoops, my bad.

[rsavaj]

Oh my, the amazing McDo... Scola essentially got us Archie Goodwin, who, along with Warren and Ennis are unknowns. Don't be so quick to feather McDo's hat with them. We no essentially nothing about their abilities. Green and Plum... Given my choice, I'd take Scola over those two, as neither is likely to be around in the future.... may be it would have been just as easy to buy the archie pick. Scola is exactly the type of vet this team needs much like TheGortat.

Gortat got us Ennis. Yay. Having the original GrownAssMan would have put us in the playoffs. He'd be an awesome mentor for Len. GMan is solid. I'm not giving a blue ribbon for that deal either, far from it.

Tolliver and Thomas ? ...both smoke up the ass signings that were reaches IMO. One in ability the other in need. Consider this, you think if we lose one of IT or Dragic, that we continue a 3PG lineup? Are we going to plug in Ennis and ISO our way through another yr? Fat chance. Its an F-n experiment, the sooner we admit it the sooner we can can it. Its an experiment to justify signing IT. A solid argument could be made that acquiring IT stunted the growth of Bledsoe and Dragic. (and Ennis) Those guys were balling last yr. Learning to play with each other and with the rest. And yes, mark me down as IT being the reason Dragic isn't the same.

You can go ahead and take your 90% approval of McDo, time will tell on him.... He's is certainly competent, but the honeymoon is over with me. The next couple of deals he makes had better pay bigger dividends.... as the last 'big' one(IT) is now requiring further attention and may end up costing us Dragic. You really think we'd ink up IT right now if he was available??? So far, we have taken a step back or at least to the side from last yr. The only progress I see is Len. The rest ?? I'm not so sure. There have been some individual strides, but collectively...??? :bang head: Toss in the in-house grumblings and rumblings with a coach who is very frustrated in the inability of his team to execute.... one could wonder if this is how the FO saw it way back in July.

You would really take 34 year old slow-as-molasses Scola over Plumlee and Green? That was an absolute STEAL, and I don't see any legitimate point to the contrary.

Tolliver? Good idea at the time. Didn't work out.
Thomas? Despite all the hate, producing really, really well for us on a great contract, that's going to look even better when the cap goes up.
Gortat would have "mentored" Len? Really? How do we know that? The G Man looked like he was happy to get the hell out of here, and now Washington is paying the (exorbitant) price for an above-average center on the wrong side of 30.

The one thing I agree with you on his Horny's draft picks. No idea if Goodwin, Ennis or Warren will pan out. Len looks like he's pretty darn great.

Let's put this into perspective: 2 years ago, we were watching Michael Beasley, Jermaine O'Neal, Kendall Marshall and Luis Scola(who never, EVER took any responsibility for losing that year...every locker-room answer was "I don't know why we're losing, don't ask me") chuck our team towards pretty much the worst franchise record of all time, coached by HOF coaching talent Lindsey Hunter.

Now we're on pace to make the playoffs in the most competetive conference of all time.

And some of you think the team's heading in the wrong direction? I really don't understand. It makes no sense to me.

It's been a frustrating season. Horny's rotations have been wack sometimes. IT, Bledsoe and Dragic haven't meshed the way had hoped. Our young guys haven't been able to beat out the vets for PT. We may find ourselves in the now all-too-familiar 9th spot once again.

HOWEVER

If you can't see that we're on an exponentially better and more promising trajectory NOW than a mere 2 seasons ago, then we live in different realities. You guys can continue to complain about how horrible everything is; I'll continue to enjoy my time watching the Suns, just as I have for the past two decades.

[In Len We Trust]

Hiring Hornacek was easily his worst move. Overall he's a great GM though.

Don't agree with that. Hornacek, a first time head coach, took a roster most thought would be lucky to win 20 games and won 48. This year, he's got us in the playoff picture. He's not perfect and he has some things to improve upon, but he's doing good work, can't honestly think of another realistic candidate who would have been better.

I think Mike Budenholzer would have implemented a better system in place here in PHX. A system that relies on ball movement and moving without basketball.

I don't know and I don't care if he would have got 48 wins out of them last year but I care more about long run system that the coach puts in place.

Ball movement/efficient/ball moving system >> Hornacek trying to copy D'Antoni offense

Oh man, don't even get me started on how good we would be with Budenholzer.

[Revived]

Don't agree with that. Hornacek, a first time head coach, took a roster most thought would be lucky to win 20 games and won 48. This year, he's got us in the playoff picture. He's not perfect and he has some things to improve upon, but he's doing good work, can't honestly think of another realistic candidate who would have been better.

I think Mike Budenholzer would have implemented a better system in place here in PHX. A system that relies on ball movement and moving without basketball.

I don't know and I don't care if he would have got 48 wins out of them last year but I care more about long run system that the coach puts in place.

Ball movement/efficient/ball moving system >> Hornacek trying to copy D'Antoni offense

Oh man, don't even get me started on how good we would be with Budenholzer.

He's the guy I really wanted.

I remember how all Spurs fans said that this was specifically groomed by Pop with the intention of him taking over for Pop in SAS. However Pop ended up wanting to stay longer than he thought and an opportunity presented itself in Budenholzer and the rest is history.

I read numerous articles and did so much research into Budenholzer after that '12-'13 season.

[Frank Lee]

....You would really take 34 year old slow-as-molasses Scola over Plumlee and Green? That was an absolute STEAL, and I don't see any legitimate point to the contrary......

Considering how this team is completely devoid of leadership, having players like Scola and Gortat do provide intangible benefit. Put both of those guys on this team right now and its better. No Green, No Plum, no Goodwin, no Ennis. No big deal. We have had games where the four didn't play over 15 minutes combined. Green and Plum could very well be gone. But all that talk is moot. means nothing.

McDo was house cleaning at the time. I didn't mind. I'm just removing his Papal Tiara some of you have anointed him with. He has some work to do, and a ship to right. No way this season has unfolded like they thought. Record be damned. We have shown the unique ability to look very good and very very bad. There are questions in the locker room. unhappy players. Guys are not buying in, or can't quite grasp it.

And just please, someone answer this question.... Take away one of IT or Dragic.... do we see the same ISO 3pg offense next yr? Is this going to be Hornecek's/FO's twist at recreating SSOL ???

[rsavaj]

....You would really take 34 year old slow-as-molasses Scola over Plumlee and Green? That was an absolute STEAL, and I don't see any legitimate point to the contrary......

Considering how this team is completely devoid of leadership, having players like Scola and Gortat do provide intangible benefit. Put both of those guys on this team right now and its better. No Green, No Plum, no Goodwin, no Ennis. No big deal. We have had games where the four didn't play over 15 minutes combined. Green and Plum could very well be gone. But all that talk is moot. means nothing.

McDo was house cleaning at the time. I didn't mind. I'm just removing his Papal Tiara some of you have anointed him with. He has some work to do, and a ship to right. No way this season has unfolded like they thought. Record be damned. We have shown the unique ability to look very good and very very bad. There are questions in the locker room. unhappy players. Guys are not buying in, or can't quite grasp it.

And just please, someone answer this question.... Take away one of IT or Dragic.... do we see the same ISO 3pg offense next yr? Is this going to be Hornecek's/FO's twist at recreating SSOL ???

Not sure I understand the question completely. If next year we only have 2 out of our 3 PGs, we're not going to run the 3 PG thing...by definition, right?

[bwgood77]

Hiring Hornacek was easily his worst move. Overall he's a great GM though.

Don't agree with that. Hornacek, a first time head coach, took a roster most thought would be lucky to win 20 games and won 48. This year, he's got us in the playoff picture. He's not perfect and he has some things to improve upon, but he's doing good work, can't honestly think of another realistic candidate who would have been better.

I think Mike Budenholzer would have implemented a better system in place here in PHX. A system that relies on ball movement and moving without basketball.

I don't know and I don't care if he would have got 48 wins out of them last year but I care more about long run system that the coach puts in place.

Ball movement/efficient/ball moving system >> Hornacek trying to copy D'Antoni offense

Funny thing is Budenholzer copies D'Antoni's offense. The whole league and most of the really good offenses are copies of it. Pop changed the Spurs offense the year after we swept them to adapt to the league and the Spurs went up a big notch offensively after that. Atlanta now uses it. Golden State uses it.

[In Len We Trust]

The Hawks have such beautiful ball movement and they execute so well on offense. I wish the Suns could play like that. I also wish we were half as good as they are rotating defensively

[WeekapaugGroove]

Don't agree with that. Hornacek, a first time head coach, took a roster most thought would be lucky to win 20 games and won 48. This year, he's got us in the playoff picture. He's not perfect and he has some things to improve upon, but he's doing good work, can't honestly think of another realistic candidate who would have been better.

I think Mike Budenholzer would have implemented a better system in place here in PHX. A system that relies on ball movement and moving without basketball.

I don't know and I don't care if he would have got 48 wins out of them last year but I care more about long run system that the coach puts in place.

Ball movement/efficient/ball moving system >> Hornacek trying to copy D'Antoni offense

Funny thing is Budenholzer copies D'Antoni's offense. The whole league and most of the really good offenses are copies of it. Pop changed the Spurs offense the year after we swept them to adapt to the league and the Spurs went up a big notch offensively after that. Atlanta now uses it. Golden State uses it.

this + 100 these teams are running the Mike d system.... their teams are just running better.

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[Frank Lee]

We arent


and props to those Devils