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Keep the team or blow it up?

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What should the Suns do?

Trade Bledsoe/Knight and twins
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Keep the team and try to add star by trade
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Total votes: 39

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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#21 » by Saberestar » Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:39 am

ATTL wrote:Is this thread in favor of tanking?

I would say that this thread is wondering if we have the right people to go to the playoffs next year or the next one and fight for a championship in the future (not in 2025). We can not be rebuilding all our life...we have five years without playoffs. That is all.
In my opinion, they are not the right people.
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#22 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:34 pm

It's interesting in the other threads - Free Agency and Draft, most roster changes are based on keeping most of the current team and adding bits and pieces.

So bit surprised to see its only 25% wanting to do that.
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#23 » by Damkac » Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:09 pm

Aren't free agency and draft about adding pieces and not about trading them? :wink:
letsgosuns wrote:Ryan McDonough has made out like a bandit in nearly all his trades so far. I will not be surprised if a few years from now the Miami Heat are going to say to themselves on draft night "I cannot believe we traded those picks for Goran Dragic!" Actually they might already be saying it. Especially if Dragic leaves. Anyway, I expect the Suns to have a totally different roster next year built around more cerebral players who are better shooters. Outside of that, the Suns most glaring need is a power forward who can rebound and play defense. Listening to the McDonough on the radio this week and last week, I get the feeling he wants to trade the Morris brothers and some other players on his way towards rebuilding the team.

I don't get it how everybody says that Knight trade was terrible for the Suns while Heat giving 2 1st round pick including one unprotected for Dragic without any guarantee he will resign was a great trade for them
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#24 » by Revived » Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:49 am

Damkac wrote:Aren't free agency and draft about adding pieces and not about trading them? :wink:
letsgosuns wrote:Ryan McDonough has made out like a bandit in nearly all his trades so far. I will not be surprised if a few years from now the Miami Heat are going to say to themselves on draft night "I cannot believe we traded those picks for Goran Dragic!" Actually they might already be saying it. Especially if Dragic leaves. Anyway, I expect the Suns to have a totally different roster next year built around more cerebral players who are better shooters. Outside of that, the Suns most glaring need is a power forward who can rebound and play defense. Listening to the McDonough on the radio this week and last week, I get the feeling he wants to trade the Morris brothers and some other players on his way towards rebuilding the team.

I don't get it how everybody says that Knight trade was terrible for the Suns while Heat giving 2 1st round pick including one unprotected for Dragic without any guarantee he will resign was a great trade for them

Pat Riley isn't stupid, he wouldn't have done the trade unless he's absolutely sure that he can keep Goran in Miami.

He knows that Miami's window is closing with Wade & Bosh aging so he needs the newcomers like Whiteside, Dragic and Deng to try and make one last push for a trip back to the Finals.
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#25 » by Tahleron » Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:38 am

If Riley was still be in Miami to see the fruits of his recent trades, he might be asked to perform the twelve labors of hercules as penance.

He's just trying to maximize the last years of Wade and Bosh, future be damned.
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#26 » by RunDogGun » Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:22 am

Wasn't there just a wiretap saying Goran plans to explore every option in FA? Doesn't sound like a lock to return, but who knows.
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#27 » by Bogyo » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:17 am

Voted "blow it up". Short explanation: our 3 best players (as of now) are Bledsoe, Knight and Markieff. I'm fed up with the 2 pg stuff, especially that neither is a true point guard, so I think we need to trade one of them. I also happen to think that Markieff is not a starting caliber PF on a strong playoff team, unless he has a beast at the 5 behind him, and he is the 5th option on that team - on the other hand, he is a good NBA player on a good contract, so he could net us something really good and useful in a trade (with his bro and other assets). So I really wouldn't mind if 2 of our top 3 players were not on the team next year. That's a "blow up" in my book, although with this team I'm not 100% sure it classifies as that, especially after the trade deadline dynamite.

If somehow we got 2 young studs (strike gold in free agency, and the lottery), and 2 of these guys moved to the bench (and not pout about it), then I'm also happy with keeping them, but we'll never have that luck.
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#28 » by Damkac » Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:42 pm

SF88 wrote:
Damkac wrote:Aren't free agency and draft about adding pieces and not about trading them? :wink:
letsgosuns wrote:Ryan McDonough has made out like a bandit in nearly all his trades so far. I will not be surprised if a few years from now the Miami Heat are going to say to themselves on draft night "I cannot believe we traded those picks for Goran Dragic!" Actually they might already be saying it. Especially if Dragic leaves. Anyway, I expect the Suns to have a totally different roster next year built around more cerebral players who are better shooters. Outside of that, the Suns most glaring need is a power forward who can rebound and play defense. Listening to the McDonough on the radio this week and last week, I get the feeling he wants to trade the Morris brothers and some other players on his way towards rebuilding the team.

I don't get it how everybody says that Knight trade was terrible for the Suns while Heat giving 2 1st round pick including one unprotected for Dragic without any guarantee he will resign was a great trade for them

Pat Riley isn't stupid, he wouldn't have done the trade unless he's absolutely sure that he can keep Goran in Miami.

He knows that Miami's window is closing with Wade & Bosh aging so he needs the newcomers like Whiteside, Dragic and Deng to try and make one last push for a trip back to the Finals.

Sorry I forget that only McD is stupid :lol: Pat Riley just created a wonderful team that managed to take the 10th spot on the mighty East Conference. Not to mention this team is old and will be taking loads of money. Genius!* :lol: And how can he be sure that Goran will stay? He's UFA. Unlike that Knight guy but he's terrible anyway so I guess it doesn't matters.

(Miami won 2 championships because Bron, Wade and Bosh wanted to play on the same team not because Riley is genius)
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#29 » by Chuck Everett » Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:56 pm

To be fair, Riley has won 3 championships since taking over in Miami (in the last 10 years). He deserves the benefit of the doubt because of his track record.
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#30 » by Revived » Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:58 pm

Damkac wrote:
SF88 wrote:
Damkac wrote:Aren't free agency and draft about adding pieces and not about trading them? :wink:

I don't get it how everybody says that Knight trade was terrible for the Suns while Heat giving 2 1st round pick including one unprotected for Dragic without any guarantee he will resign was a great trade for them

Pat Riley isn't stupid, he wouldn't have done the trade unless he's absolutely sure that he can keep Goran in Miami.

He knows that Miami's window is closing with Wade & Bosh aging so he needs the newcomers like Whiteside, Dragic and Deng to try and make one last push for a trip back to the Finals.

Sorry I forget that only McD is stupid :lol: Pat Riley just created a wonderful team that managed to take the 10th spot on the mighty East Conference. Not to mention this team is old and will be taking loads of money. Genius!* :lol: And how can he be sure that Goran will stay? He's UFA. Unlike that Knight guy but he's terrible anyway so I guess it doesn't matters.

(Miami won 2 championships because Bron, Wade and Bosh wanted to play on the same team not because Riley is genius)

Never said McD was stupid.

If you actually think that Riley isn't one of the best executives in sports, then wow. And yea they were 10th because of a crap ton of injuries (2nd most in the NBA behind OKC). I guess Presti is an idiot too since the Thunder missed playoffs?

And just because a player's an UFA doesn't mean the agent and executive haven't talked about long term agreement before. There's little to no doubt that the agent and Riley already agreed on a ball park for contract #s and assured Riley that Dragic will resign with the Heat if Heat pony up the money to reach that ball park.
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#31 » by Damkac » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:13 pm

I also didn't say Riley is idiot.
Just the one thing I don't understand is how trading 1 pick, rookie drafted at 18 and crappy center for 23 year RFA is awful deal yet trading 2 picks including one unprotected for 28 UFA is a great trade.
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#32 » by sunstrooper » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:01 am

Keep the team, develop a decent playbook, develop players individually according to team needs and personel fit. On offense - learn to move without the ball, on defense - learn rotations so that the entire team doesn't end up in the paint with 2-3 opponent 3-pt shooters staying wide open all game long.
On the other hand, ditch the "fanbase" hating everyone and everything about the team and organisation and build a new one.
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#33 » by saintEscaton » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:49 pm

This team is a third rate product. Homers who wanna believe can call the fanbase out for their negativity, but its well deserved
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#34 » by Frank Lee » Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:30 am

You don't 'recreate' a fan base.... you move a team.


I don't think this team has very marketable players, as in, marketable to the phoenix fans. People have soured on the MoBros. Bledsoe has the charisma of a wooden nickel. Len is too young and quiet. Tucker is just average in everything. We know nothing about Warren. Goodwin has already been whining.... Its going to be a 'hard sell' bunch for season ticketers.

its just an unlikable team. This is not hate speak either. If Sarver is looking for a marketable team to sell to the fan base, he might as well start fresh. Much easier to sell potential than past performance.

Key move is Bled for a top pick.... then the dominos will fall.
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#35 » by Revived » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:51 am

Frank Lee wrote:You don't 'recreate' a fan base.... you move a team.


I don't think this team has very marketable players, as in, marketable to the phoenix fans. People have soured on the MoBros. Bledsoe has the charisma of a wooden nickel. Len is too young and quiet. Tucker is just average in everything. We know nothing about Warren. Goodwin has already been whining.... Its going to be a 'hard sell' bunch for season ticketers.

its just an unlikable team. This is not hate speak either. If Sarver is looking for a marketable team to sell to the fan base, he might as well start fresh. Much easier to sell potential than past performance.

Key move is Bled for a top pick.... then the dominos will fall.

Bledsoe & Morris twins are probably a good start.
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#36 » by Damkac » Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:29 pm

If I was McD I would try to exchange Bled, Morri and 13th for two 5-8 range picks or for Russel if he is really that good

My genius plan:
Bledsoe to SAC for 6th + Idontevenknowwhoplayforthemoutsidegaycousins
Morris + Morris to IND for 11th + West
11th + 13th to DEN for 7th

SImply isn't it? :lol:
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#37 » by RunDogGun » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:08 am

Damkac wrote:If I was McD I would try to exchange Bled, Morri and 13th for two 5-8 range picks or for Russel if he is really that good

My genius plan:
Bledsoe to SAC for 6th + Idontevenknowwhoplayforthemoutsidegaycousins
Morris + Morris to IND for 11th + West
11th + 13th to DEN for 7th

SImply isn't it? :lol:

Until this assault case goes away, I don't see us getting any reasonable offers in return for the Morri.
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#38 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:21 am

Twin Brothers or Gay Cousins?

Same discussion is happening over at realMom.com.
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#39 » by Revived » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:06 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Twin Brothers or Gay Cousins?

Same discussion is happening over at realMom.com.

:lol: :lol:
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Re: Keep the team or blow it up? 

Post#40 » by Frank Lee » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:37 am

Chuck Everett wrote:To be fair, Riley has won 3 championships since taking over in Miami (in the last 10 years). He deserves the benefit of the doubt because of his track record.



Sh*t... I didn't even realize Miami missed the playoffs :crazy:

I pretty much ignored NBA for the past month+



Unfortunately, I don't see many teams we can trade with, nor do I see many FAs coming here that would matter. Our options are narrow, but I wouldn't be surprised if we go with a lean budget and dump some players. truly addition by subtraction. This just isn't a very marketable team right now, and a 13th pick and marginal second tier FA isn't going to excite the fan base, no matter how much hype the Babbler spews.

Cut the budget , load up on some youngsters... then hit the FA market hard when the cap rises.
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