Suns Moving Up in Draft?

[letsgosuns]

Just visited the Knicks board.....they want Bledsoe, the #13, and another pick ..................

And you wonder why a city such as NY can suck for so long and get away with it......The fans are morons!

I actually mentioned the trade to them yesterday to see what they think. They said they wanted Bledsoe and the 13th pick for the 4th pick AND Calderon. He is signed for two more years at like almost 8 million per year. I explained that that makes no sense because a big plus of letting Bledsoe go is the salary cap space it saves the Suns to spend money on something other than point guard. They were adamant that Calderon had to be part of the deal. And most NY fans said they still would not do the deal even if Calderon was involved. It is like they think Bledsoe is trash or something. He would be an all star in the East. People forget he plays in the same conference as Curry, Westbrook, and Paul. Three point guards who are all MVP level players. It is nearly impossible for a player like Bledsoe to make an all star team while those guys are around unless he leap frogs them which I do not see happening right now.

I explained that if they want a big time free agent like Marc Gasol, he would most likely much rather come to a team with Carmelo, Bledsoe, and the 13th pick instead a team with only Carmelo and the 4th pick. They still said no and they were not interested in a team built around Carmelo, Gasol, and Bledsoe. I mean I figured you have to be nuts to not want that team. I would take it any day of the week. That team could win the East and possibly the championship. But still, they said no. They want Emmanuel Mudiay instead so they can build around him for the future. Good luck with that. Ain't no time like the present to try to win a championship. I think they are overvaluing the 4th pick in the draft dramatically.

[jcsunsfan]

Just visited the Knicks board.....they want Bledsoe, the #13, and another pick ..................

And you wonder why a city such as NY can suck for so long and get away with it......The fans are morons!

I actually mentioned the trade to them yesterday to see what they think. They said they wanted Bledsoe and the 13th pick for the 4th pick AND Calderon. He is signed for two more years at like almost 8 million per year. I explained that that makes no sense because a big plus of letting Bledsoe go is the salary cap space it saves the Suns to spend money on something other than point guard. They were adamant that Calderon had to be part of the deal. And most NY fans said they still would not do the deal even if Calderon was involved. It is like they think Bledsoe is trash or something. He would be an all star in the East. People forget he plays in the same conference as Curry, Westbrook, and Paul. Three point guards who are all MVP level players. It is nearly impossible for a player like Bledsoe to make an all star team while those guys are around unless he leap frogs them which I do not see happening right now.

I explained that if they want a big time free agent like Marc Gasol, he would most likely much rather come to a team with Carmelo, Bledsoe, and the 13th pick instead a team with only Carmelo and the 4th pick. They still said no and they were not interested in a team built around Carmelo, Gasol, and Bledsoe. I mean I figured you have to be nuts to not want that team. I would take it any day of the week. That team could win the East and possibly the championship. But still, they said no. They want Emmanuel Mudiay instead so they can build around him for the future. Good luck with that. Ain't no time like the present to try to win a championship. I think they are overvaluing the 4th pick in the draft dramatically.

They are hugely overvalueing the 4th pick. I spent some time there too. The simple fact is that if that pick was so valuable, NY would have no interest in moving it.

The good news is that fans don't make the decisions.

[Damkac]

I would be so excited if this happens. I have nothing against Bledsoe but trading him for high pick have sense for so many reasons that were posted hundreds times already.

Adding 13th pick is tough but if best player available would be Portis and Lyles I would still do it. Suns don't need another average player, they need a star. If McD find star potential in Porzingis (or in somebody else) then that pick shouldn't be a deal breaker.
Mayby send them Marcus for compensate.

Knight/Calderon
FA/Goodwin/Bullock
Warren/Tucker/Granger
Kieff/Porzingis
Len/Wright


If Bledsoe for 4th won't happen (chances are low I fear) then please at least use Tucker and 13th to trade up and get somebody like Kaminsky or SJohnson.

[Jkam31]

Mudiya(6th pick)/ Collison/ Stauskas for Bledsoe/13 you guys like? You get a very good vet in Collison while Mudiya develops


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[Stix]

I wouldn't mind seeing Bledsoe leave, but I really hope it's not for Porzingis. Dude has bust written all over him, I really think McD is smarter than that. He has won every trade he has done so far so Porz sounds like a smoke screen. I don't think #13 + Bled = #4. I think we keep #13 if and move the 2nd rounder in this case.

I can see McD setting up something like this, where Suns obtain #4 for Bledsoe. Then he uses the pick to secure Kaminsky, and then takes Dekker at #13.

Or... Cauly-Stein at #4 and Booker at #13.

Or... Cauly-Stein at #4 and Lyles at #13.

[Grots]

Mudiya(6th pick)/ Collison/ Stauskas for Bledsoe/13 you guys like? You get a very good vet in Collison while Mudiya develops


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I would like that, or something like that. I'd want to get Winslow instead of Mudiay though.

Aren't Boogie and Bledsoe buddies or something? Maybe that'll make Boogie happier in SAC.

[Jkam31]

Mudiya(6th pick)/ Collison/ Stauskas for Bledsoe/13 you guys like? You get a very good vet in Collison while Mudiya develops


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I would like that, or something like that. I'd want to get Winslow instead of Mudiay though.

Aren't Boogie and Bledsoe buddies or something? Maybe that'll make Boogie happier in SAC.

Ya boogie and Bledsoe are very good friends. So you think they would target Winslow instead? The good thing is Winslow/Mudiya will most likely be there at 6 and there's no doubt we would do a deal for Bledsoe. It's interesting though we are now bringing in kiminsky and decker for workouts both players are 10-13 picks and laughable at 6.


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[DirtyDez]

Just visited the Knicks board.....they want Bledsoe, the #13, and another pick ..................

And you wonder why a city such as NY can suck for so long and get away with it......The fans are morons!

I actually mentioned the trade to them yesterday to see what they think. They said they wanted Bledsoe and the 13th pick for the 4th pick AND Calderon. He is signed for two more years at like almost 8 million per year. I explained that that makes no sense because a big plus of letting Bledsoe go is the salary cap space it saves the Suns to spend money on something other than point guard. They were adamant that Calderon had to be part of the deal. And most NY fans said they still would not do the deal even if Calderon was involved. It is like they think Bledsoe is trash or something. He would be an all star in the East. People forget he plays in the same conference as Curry, Westbrook, and Paul. Three point guards who are all MVP level players. It is nearly impossible for a player like Bledsoe to make an all star team while those guys are around unless he leap frogs them which I do not see happening right now.

I explained that if they want a big time free agent like Marc Gasol, he would most likely much rather come to a team with Carmelo, Bledsoe, and the 13th pick instead a team with only Carmelo and the 4th pick. They still said no and they were not interested in a team built around Carmelo, Gasol, and Bledsoe. I mean I figured you have to be nuts to not want that team. I would take it any day of the week. That team could win the East and possibly the championship. But still, they said no. They want Emmanuel Mudiay instead so they can build around him for the future. Good luck with that. Ain't no time like the present to try to win a championship. I think they are overvaluing the 4th pick in the draft dramatically.

They are hugely overvalueing the 4th pick. I spent some time there too. The simple fact is that if that pick was so valuable, NY would have no interest in moving it.

The good news is that fans don't make the decisions.

If we had the 4th pick and they had Bledsoe we'd be saying the same thing. Bottom line is fans overvalue what they have. Just go to the trade board for proof.

[lilfishi22]

Bledsoe himself is worth a #4 pick. You can comfortably say he's a 18/5/5 player give or take each season whereas anyone outside of KAT may not even have close to the impact Bledsoe has had. The fact is this, Bledsoe is a known commodity whereas outside of the top 2 or 3 picks, there's no guaranteed stars or even starters.

As much as I dislike the notion of playing 2 PG's and even though trading Bledsoe for a top pick would solve that, at this point I'm not convinced a #4 pick would yield the same impact player Bledsoe is in this upcoming draft.

[Qwigglez]

Agreed LilFish.
Honestly though, from both perspectives it's risky business. I don't want to trade Bledsoe and the pick end up being a bust. But on the other hand, if we keep Bledsoe and WCS/Porzingis or whoever the front office is really eying at the draft spot turns into a franchise player I'm gonna be upset. All in all, I'm glad I'm not the making the decisions this summer, lol. We are really on fence of either going full rebuild or going the free agency route.

[JMac1]

Bledsoe himself is worth a #4 pick. You can comfortably say he's a 18/5/5 player give or take each season whereas anyone outside of KAT may not even have close to the impact Bledsoe has had. The fact is this, Bledsoe is a known commodity whereas outside of the top 2 or 3 picks, there's no guaranteed stars or even starters.

As much as I dislike the notion of playing 2 PG's and even though trading Bledsoe for a top pick would solve that, at this point I'm not convinced a #4 pick would yield the same impact player Bledsoe is in this upcoming draft.

Thank You......and he is just 25

[JMac1]

Agreed LilFish.
Honestly though, from both perspectives it's risky business. I don't want to trade Bledsoe and the pick end up being a bust. But on the other hand, if we keep Bledsoe and WCS/Porzingis or whoever the front office is really eying at the draft spot turns into a franchise player I'm gonna be upset. All in all, I'm glad I'm not the making the decisions this summer, lol. We are really on fence of either going full rebuild or going the free agency route.

I don't think Bledsoe has reached his ceiling though.......give him one more year.

[Hogified05]

If Gambo is reporting it, then you it isn't true. McD keeps his buisness quiet

Two things
1) I agree. Gambos' sources used to be very good - now not so much

2) yesterday - around 5pm, listening to Gambo and Marotta, Gambo was emphatic that no conversations between NYK and Phoenix have taken place since the trade deadline

I think I would move Bledsoe
Sign Knight and Wright
Move the Morris twins
Use the 4th pick on whomever
See if I can sign Danny Green
Not give up the 13th pick
Take n the Calderon deal for back up PG if need e
Sign Patric Young

Go balls out for Love or LaMarcus

Lol I don't know why I am on your guys board right now but +1 for the Patric Young mention...wish I could give you another for spelling it right too ha. Pat needs to be in the NBA, guy is a winner and something that is SUPER under appreciated about his game that is important as ever in the nba...he is one of the best big man pick n roll defenders I'd ever seen. One of the reasons that Florida team 2 years ago was so good. Plus he has the body of an NFL tight end. I hope someone picks him up, maybe Billy at OKC.

[Damkac]

I wouldn't mind seeing Bledsoe leave, but I really hope it's not for Porzingis. Dude has bust written all over him, I really think McD is smarter than that. He has won every trade he has done so far so Porz sounds like a smoke screen. I don't think #13 + Bled = #4. I think we keep #13 if and move the 2nd rounder in this case.

I can see McD setting up something like this, where Suns obtain #4 for Bledsoe. Then he uses the pick to secure Kaminsky, and then takes Dekker at #13.

Or... Cauly-Stein at #4 and Booker at #13.

Or... Cauly-Stein at #4 and Lyles at #13.

You don't want to trade Bledsoe for Porzingis but want to trade him for Kaminsky?

If we had the 4th pick and they had Bledsoe we'd be saying the same thing. Bottom line is fans overvalue what they have. Just go to the trade board for proof.

For rebuilding team pick is more valuable. For team that want to compete now Bledsoe has more value.

[NaturalBuns]

So trade away
Dragic
Bledsoe
Thomas
Ennis

And roll with knight?
Backwards moves man

[Scubetrolis]

Well, Bledsoe, Morris twins and PJ should all be traded, if it was up to me.

Definitely do not trade the Miami picks, they are unrestricted. If we keep sucking, and they keep sucking, we could have a couple good lottery picks coming up.

[TASTIC]

I think we could get a pick in the lottery for the Morri.

Markieff in particular is on a very friendly contract and is a proven starter/perfect 6th man/first big off the bench.

I'd be calling the Kings and trying to sell them on (the completely combustible) potential of pairing Cousins with Kieff.

Even Indiana could use the Morri - they're going to want to go back to winning right away, maybe we could nab the 11th pick from them and take back Solomon Hill as well?

11th and 13th to move up and get a STAR...

[jredsaz]

So trade away
Dragic
Bledsoe
Thomas
Ennis

And roll with knight?
Backwards moves man

Roll with Knight, a top six pick in this years draft, increased cap flexibility, and a realignment of resources away from the two poing guard system.

[AtheJ415]

I wouldn't mind seeing Bledsoe leave, but I really hope it's not for Porzingis. Dude has bust written all over him, I really think McD is smarter than that. He has won every trade he has done so far so Porz sounds like a smoke screen. I don't think #13 + Bled = #4. I think we keep #13 if and move the 2nd rounder in this case.

I can see McD setting up something like this, where Suns obtain #4 for Bledsoe. Then he uses the pick to secure Kaminsky, and then takes Dekker at #13.

Or... Cauly-Stein at #4 and Booker at #13.

Or... Cauly-Stein at #4 and Lyles at #13.

Kaminksy at 4?!!! Decker at 13?! We could simply trade for Indy's 11th pick and get both. Talk about reaching. This would set our franchise back half a decade.

[RunDogGun]

Agreed LilFish.
Honestly though, from both perspectives it's risky business. I don't want to trade Bledsoe and the pick end up being a bust. But on the other hand, if we keep Bledsoe and WCS/Porzingis or whoever the front office is really eying at the draft spot turns into a franchise player I'm gonna be upset. All in all, I'm glad I'm not the making the decisions this summer, lol. We are really on fence of either going full rebuild or going the free agency route.

I don't think Bledsoe has reached his ceiling though.......give him one more year.

I don't think he has either. You could see him actively trying to get other players involved near the end of the season, and did a great job finding Warren cutting to the basket. This next season will be a good test to see what he is made of. It would be a shame to trade him before knowing for sure.