bwgood77 wrote:AtheJ415 wrote:I'm not sure who I'd want from Toronto. Not as big a fan of Patterson as others here. I like Delon Wright, but I'd need more than that. Maybe Wright and Caboclo if our FO truly believes in Caboclo. Perhaps Terrence Ross.
I haven't watched Patterson much but his numbers look good, especially the 3 ball for a PF. Do you think we could expect a better offer than him and Delon for Kieff and Archie?....as one poster suggested.
I'm not really sure, and mostly because there is so much movement with Markieff due to his own actions plus the pending felony that his stock is all over the place, and he probably has very different value to different teams right now. I think for me I'd rather have one of Houston's PF's than Patterson and Delon. I don't think Patterson is awful or anything, but I think he's not a starting caliber 4 in this league, and so for me a 26 year old really good bench PF holds less value than getting a guy who has more upside. Plus, just looking at our core, Patterson is an FA in 2 years, which is when I see our window starting, so we'd have to pay him market value then anyways, and could've just signed him if not traded for earlier. That said, I really do like Delon Wright for our system, and you can control rookies throughout what I think our window is--thus, for me I'd see that trade as Delon Wright plus a really good backup 4 who would be a stopgap for the next 2 years (b/c even if he fell into our future plans, we could've then signed him as an FA anyways from 3 years from now and on). But I also think Archie and his improving jumper (and it has improved) is worth seeing through for another year before involving him as a throw-in in a trade like this. Guys who can get to the room at will have a lot of potential, and Archie is still very young. The odds of him putting it together may be slim, but the reward if you hit is so high I wouldn't involve him here. Archie to me has always been a long-term project pick, so I'm not as down on his progress as some. Chandler can help Archie's defense. Chandler directs every D he's played for--he can help our guards because he knows how they're supposed to defend also.
The thing with Houston's guys are they will cost a lot to re-sign, and so much so that we could probably just sign them this offseason without giving up anything. So, if you are giving up Markieff for either, you have to know the number they want and feel comfortable with that. I don't think either is better than Markieff right now, but both have higher upside to me. The other problem is Morey is that guy in people's fantasy leagues who only makes lopsided deals, and so he may refuse all of them.
For me, I like to gamble, and so I'd rather have Caboclo (rookie deal we can control for a number of years) or Ross (RFA in 1 year, but that gives us the option to control) or Zeller or Vonleh than Patterson, or even more picks, and then go into next offseason knowing Houston is not going to pay to keep both Jones and Motiejunas when they are already paying for their other guys, and that we have a desirable spot at the 4 with guys like Horford out there. I want us to make the playoffs this year because that experience would pay dividends down the line with our young team, and Patterson would help us more than other guys offered, but I feel like we do need a couple more high-upside assets or picks to put us in the best position going forward. Patterson to me isn't a high-upside asset.
Zeller, Vonleh, Jones, DMO (in no particular order) are all guys I'd want over Patterson. Wright, while I like him and value a 3rd PG, would be less valuable to our future than a high upside 4.
