Fun fact: So far, Suns have 5th best starting lineup in the league
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Did you guys know Minny's starting five is a plus 11 and Orl is a plus 21.....and sorry GS is a plus 1.5.....
http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/#!/
http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/#!/
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JMac1 wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:ginobiliflops wrote:Once Kieff steps up and we shorten the rotation back to the Pringles man days, we'll be good to go. Only bench guys I'd like to see play substantial minutes are Booker, Len, Leuer, and TJ.
Kieff certainly has a golden opportunity. I wonder if he is too much of a knucklehead to take advantage of it.
Wow!!! All we need is for Kieff to step up.....smh.
Kieff is a non rebounding, jump shooting (not very well) black hole ball stopper when in the post....he is horrible, but maybe he is good enough to keep us at that 9th seed for 5 more years...
I'm not sure who pissed you off today but there's no need to take it out on us. Everything you've been saying today is either negative toward the team or other posters.

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jcsunsfan wrote:It seems this article would encourage some sort of platoon system.
I've always been fascinated with the platoon idea. I'm surprised it's never been tried at the NBA level. I think it would actually work quite well.
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ginobiliflops wrote:JMac1 wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:
Kieff certainly has a golden opportunity. I wonder if he is too much of a knucklehead to take advantage of it.
Wow!!! All we need is for Kieff to step up.....smh.
Kieff is a non rebounding, jump shooting (not very well) black hole ball stopper when in the post....he is horrible, but maybe he is good enough to keep us at that 9th seed for 5 more years...
I'm not sure who pissed you off today but there's no need to take it out on us. Everything you've been saying today is either negative toward the team or other posters.
So disagreeing is negative......OK. I guess I will be negative then. SMH at something I think ridiculous is "taking it out on other posters"? OK.
Not falling for a statistical truth that is a reality lie; makes me a bad poster today....yea OK.
I could care less what garbage of a stat someone posts about the Suns being better than they appear to be; if you like it, more power to you, but I will call it like I see it. All of a sudden I am supposed to be happy about Kieff and PJ starting because of some stat....I don't think so. I am not sorry that I am not the sheep some people seek on this thread to make themselves feel better about their point of view.
If I disagree with any poster or post, I am going to let it be known, no matter who says it. I will be sure to refer back to this thread as the season goes on.
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I'm happy to see that we are doing a good job. We are currently a .500 team and that is much better than we had anticipated 

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JMac1 wrote:Did you guys know Minny's starting five is a plus 11 and Orl is a plus 21.....and sorry GS is a plus 1.5.....
http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/#!/
You must not be aware of some of the starters in this league. Wiggins is a starter for Minnesota and Oladipo for Orlando. Those lineups you talk about accumulated that +11 and +21 in 1 game each, the Wolves for 19.3 minutes and the Magic in 18 minutes.
That's why I laughed the other day when our best +/- in the following lineup: Booker,Devin - Goodwin,Archie - Price,Ronnie - Teletovic,Mirza - Weems,Sonny
But of course that was 5 minutes in one game
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plonden wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:It seems this article would encourage some sort of platoon system.
I've always been fascinated with the platoon idea. I'm surprised it's never been tried at the NBA level. I think it would actually work quite well.
Didn't our 2009-10 team pretty much play with a platoon system?
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JMac1 wrote:ginobiliflops wrote:JMac1 wrote:
Wow!!! All we need is for Kieff to step up.....smh.
Kieff is a non rebounding, jump shooting (not very well) black hole ball stopper when in the post....he is horrible, but maybe he is good enough to keep us at that 9th seed for 5 more years...
I'm not sure who pissed you off today but there's no need to take it out on us. Everything you've been saying today is either negative toward the team or other posters.
So disagreeing is negative......OK. I guess I will be negative then. SMH at something I think ridiculous is "taking it out on other posters"? OK.
Not falling for a statistical truth that is a reality lie; makes me a bad poster today....yea OK.
I could care less what garbage of a stat someone posts about the Suns being better than they appear to be; if you like it, more power to you, but I will call it like I see it. All of a sudden I am supposed to be happy about Kieff and PJ starting because of some stat....I don't think so. I am not sorry that I am not the sheep some people seek on this thread to make themselves feel better about their point of view.
If I disagree with any poster or post, I am going to let it be known, no matter who says it. I will be sure to refer back to this thread as the season goes on.
So the gist of your argument is, if your starting unit outscores other team's starting units, at the 5th best rate in the league, that doesn't matter to you if you don't like some of our players. I think we get it. I don't think you are going to convince anyone with that being the premise of your argument.
I don't imagine we will stay that high in the rankings, but that's where we are right now.
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JMac1 wrote:You know what would really be cool. If the told us how many minutes our starting five played versus other teams starting fives. You know when you are getting blown out by OKC and our starting five are on the floor and OKC only has 1 or 2 starters in there and our starting five picks up the point diff because they are playing against other teams back-ups.
How was our starting five against Dallas' starting five when they were on the floor together? How was our starting five against Det. And our starting five has had the luxury of playing depleted teams starting five as well..........
That would be really cool. Since you're interested in that stat, I trust you'll do your research and figure it out.
Please get back to us when you do! I'm genuinely interested in what you find.
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JMac1 wrote:Did you guys know Minny's starting five is a plus 11 and Orl is a plus 21.....and sorry GS is a plus 1.5.....
http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/#!/
Did you know that you're not even interpreting your own link properly? Those aren't starting 5s my friend, and you're quoting data from lineups that have played <20 minutes together

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rsavaj wrote:JMac1 wrote:You know what would really be cool. If the told us how many minutes our starting five played versus other teams starting fives. You know when you are getting blown out by OKC and our starting five are on the floor and OKC only has 1 or 2 starters in there and our starting five picks up the point diff because they are playing against other teams back-ups.
How was our starting five against Dallas' starting five when they were on the floor together? How was our starting five against Det. And our starting five has had the luxury of playing depleted teams starting five as well..........
That would be really cool. Since you're interested in that stat, I trust you'll do your research and figure it out.
Please get back to us when you do! I'm genuinely interested in what you find.
And our starting five wasn't out there much against Dallas, since Kieff immediately got into foul trouble. Interesting we got blown out in that game while missing Kieff a large part.
If Kieff doesn't play tonight and we lose I'm sure that will have had nothing to do with it. It will be because we didn't start Warren and play Booker more.
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Kieff is valuable to this team, even when he is playing uninspired basketball. I hate it. But it is true.
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Some people are delusional.
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JMac1 wrote::lol:
Some people are delusional.
I wholeheartedly agree.
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bwgood77 wrote:JMac1 wrote:ginobiliflops wrote:
I'm not sure who pissed you off today but there's no need to take it out on us. Everything you've been saying today is either negative toward the team or other posters.
So disagreeing is negative......OK. I guess I will be negative then. SMH at something I think ridiculous is "taking it out on other posters"? OK.
Not falling for a statistical truth that is a reality lie; makes me a bad poster today....yea OK.
I could care less what garbage of a stat someone posts about the Suns being better than they appear to be; if you like it, more power to you, but I will call it like I see it. All of a sudden I am supposed to be happy about Kieff and PJ starting because of some stat....I don't think so. I am not sorry that I am not the sheep some people seek on this thread to make themselves feel better about their point of view.
If I disagree with any poster or post, I am going to let it be known, no matter who says it. I will be sure to refer back to this thread as the season goes on.
So the gist of your argument is, if your starting unit outscores other team's starting units, at the 5th best rate in the league, that doesn't matter to you if you don't like some of our players. I think we get it. I don't think you are going to convince anyone with that being the premise of your argument.
I don't imagine we will stay that high in the rankings, but that's where we are right now.
There is no gist. Our starting five is hot garbage and needs to be changed, period; so to post their 8 game ranking and a 4-4 record (beating 2 half depleted team) is laughable.....Imo.

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JMac1 wrote:There is no gist. Our starting five is hot garbage and needs to be changed, period; so to post their 8 game ranking and a 4-4 record (beating 2 half depleted team) is laughable.....Imo.
I definitely wouldn't call it hot garbage, but your second point is a fair point.
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bwgood77 wrote:JMac1 wrote:There is no gist. Our starting five is hot garbage and needs to be changed, period; so to post their 8 game ranking and a 4-4 record (beating 2 half depleted team) is laughable.....Imo.
I definitely wouldn't call it hot garbage, but your second point is a fair point.
Hyperbole.... If Bled and Knight aren't going buck wild, we look terrible. I mean, just about everyone has complained about the lack of spacing, lack of flow, lack of go to guy, lack of shooting, lack of identity, lack of continuity, lack consistency, and no offesive identity at all, then all of a sudden someone posts something about our starting 5 being a top 5 unit makes what we have seen not a fact

And then some people here are believing Kieff is the missing piece....wow! Mr. fadeaway jumper...not me.
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Easy on the fouls Leuer. The bench is thin at PF.
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JMac1 wrote:bwgood77 wrote:JMac1 wrote:There is no gist. Our starting five is hot garbage and needs to be changed, period; so to post their 8 game ranking and a 4-4 record (beating 2 half depleted team) is laughable.....Imo.
I definitely wouldn't call it hot garbage, but your second point is a fair point.
Hyperbole.... If Bled and Knight aren't going buck wild, we look terrible. I mean, just about everyone has complained about the lack of spacing, lack of flow, lack of go to guy, lack of shooting, lack of identity, lack of continuity, lack consistency, and no offesive identity at all, then all of a sudden someone posts something about our starting 5 being a top 5 unit makes what we have seen not a fact![]()
And then some people here are believing Kieff is the missing piece....wow! Mr. fadeaway jumper...not me.
Well, we have a big hole at PF without Kieff. I like Leuer, but not for major minutes.
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Cutter wrote:Easy on the fouls Leuer. The bench is thin at PF.
He's getting used to a starting role, it will take some time.