Game 46: The Goodwin & Booker Show

[Dominator83]

There is a silver lining either way as far as I'm concerned. I won't be surprised if someone like Toronto wins the lotto with the Knicks pick, or of course the Pelicans or TWolves to give them yet another star, or of course the Lakers or Boston.

Yep, we've never won the lotto. I could see us having the worst record, and still end up picking 3rd or 4th over winning it.

It was really strange watching the Cavs vs Wolves game, which had 4 number one picks going at it, and only one of them has a chip, and it was after he left the team which drafted him.

3 number one picks. Bennetts bench warming for the Raptors now

Edit: my bad I forgot about KAT. So 4 it is

[SSOL]

There is a silver lining either way as far as I'm concerned. I won't be surprised if someone like Toronto wins the lotto with the Knicks pick, or of course the Pelicans or TWolves to give them yet another star, or of course the Lakers or Boston.

Yep, we've never won the lotto. I could see us having the worst record, and still end up picking 3rd or 4th over winning it.

It was really strange watching the Cavs vs Wolves game, which had 4 number one picks going at it, and only one of them has a chip, and it was after he left the team which drafted him.

You could see that based on what? Certainly not math. Bottom line, what is the realistic move that puts this franchise in the best position to succeed? The answer is to lose this season and have the math give you a top three selection in the coming draft.

[m1chal]

Awesome, now we have people rooting for us to lose, we have a great fan base.

Nah, sure I want Suns win. The lotto

[ATTL]

Of course I want the suns to get the best pick possible. Simmons or Ingram would be incredible on this team. If it doesn't happen then oh well, we'll get Bender, Rabb, or Dunn.

All I want is for Booker, Archie, and warren to see heavy minutes and get on the job experience to prep them for larger roles when we have a playoff chance next year.

[AtheJ415]

Awesome, now we have people rooting for us to lose, we have a great fan base. I hope we win by 40 points.

Any sensible fan wants to play the pinballs. Some are are just honest enough to admit it.

I'm sure they do, its easy to have that view if you aren't the one lacing up the sneakers. Any competitive person wants to win.

You're right, but nobody's saying the players should want to lose. Just that as fans, we have a larger interest in hoping a loss happens than a win at this point in the season.

[KLEON]

Hopefully we can get another good win(Goodwin)

[bwgood77]

Any sensible fan wants to play the pinballs. Some are are just honest enough to admit it.

I'm sure they do, its easy to have that view if you aren't the one lacing up the sneakers. Any competitive person wants to win.

You're right, but nobody's saying the players should want to lose. Just that as fans, we have a larger interest in hoping a loss happens than a win at this point in the season.

I think we are pretty firmly in the 3rd worst spot if things continue in their current spot. Unless Minnesota gets one of their best guys injured, they should only improve, and Brooklyn has zero incentive to lose or develop young guys (not even sure how many guys they have left), but simply put, without Bledsoe, we are not a better team than Brooklyn or Minnesota. As you saw on the numbers I posted yesterday, Bledsoe is really our only player on the entire team that rates significantly above a replacement player. Most everyone else is about even or well below. And Rubio surely will get Wiggins and Towns more opportunities than Knight or Goodwin will give Booker, Warren or Len.

I tend to pull more for my team to lose when they are clearly out of it in the NFL, where draft pick spot is confirmed based on record and not all up to chance. Plus, with 40 games left, losing too much or getting crushed can possibly impact a player's psyche going forward. We've seen multiple teams draft in the top 5 for years and years and years.....maybe they were all bad picks or maybe those players just lost confidence.

But I'm fine either way as long as the young guys play. I certainly won't be terribly upset if we win though.

[RunDogGun]

There is a silver lining either way as far as I'm concerned. I won't be surprised if someone like Toronto wins the lotto with the Knicks pick, or of course the Pelicans or TWolves to give them yet another star, or of course the Lakers or Boston.

Yep, we've never won the lotto. I could see us having the worst record, and still end up picking 3rd or 4th over winning it.

It was really strange watching the Cavs vs Wolves game, which had 4 number one picks going at it, and only one of them has a chip, and it was after he left the team which drafted him.

You could see that based on what? Certainly not math. Bottom line, what is the realistic move that puts this franchise in the best position to succeed? The answer is to lose this season and have the math give you a top three selection in the coming draft.

History, and bad luck is what I'm basing my guess on. As far as best chances, who cares at this point, I'm more concerned with actual Suns players, not potential future Suns players. And that isn't Math either, for if we did that we'd find that statistically isn't a guarantee, and nothing worth blowing off the current players, who bust their butts for the Suns. I will always cheer those guys on to win, never to be losers.

[RunDogGun]

Any sensible fan wants to play the pinballs. Some are are just honest enough to admit it.

I'm sure they do, its easy to have that view if you aren't the one lacing up the sneakers. Any competitive person wants to win.

You're right, but nobody's saying the players should want to lose. Just that as fans, we have a larger interest in hoping a loss happens than a win at this point in the season.

The problem I saw was fans that actually take it a step further, and tell players they want them to lose. It happened with Dudley here in PHX. Like I said, it's fine to take the year off from being a fan if you want, and then come back and be a fan.

[RunDogGun]

I'm sure they do, its easy to have that view if you aren't the one lacing up the sneakers. Any competitive person wants to win.

You're right, but nobody's saying the players should want to lose. Just that as fans, we have a larger interest in hoping a loss happens than a win at this point in the season.

I think we are pretty firmly in the 3rd worst spot if things continue in their current spot. Unless Minnesota gets one of their best guys injured, they should only improve, and Brooklyn has zero incentive to lose or develop young guys (not even sure how many guys they have left), but simply put, without Bledsoe, we are not a better team than Brooklyn or Minnesota. As you saw on the numbers I posted yesterday, Bledsoe is really our only player on the entire team that rates significantly above a replacement player. Most everyone else is about even or well below. And Rubio surely will get Wiggins and Towns more opportunities than Knight or Goodwin will give Booker, Warren or Len.

I tend to pull more for my team to lose when they are clearly out of it in the NFL, where draft pick spot is confirmed based on record and not all up to chance. Plus, with 40 games left, losing too much or getting crushed can possibly impact a player's psyche going forward. We've seen multiple teams draft in the top 5 for years and years and years.....maybe they were all bad picks or maybe those players just lost confidence.

But I'm fine either way as long as the young guys play. I certainly won't be terribly upset if we win though.

Did Sac trade Rondo to Minny?

[bwgood77]

You're right, but nobody's saying the players should want to lose. Just that as fans, we have a larger interest in hoping a loss happens than a win at this point in the season.

I think we are pretty firmly in the 3rd worst spot if things continue in their current spot. Unless Minnesota gets one of their best guys injured, they should only improve, and Brooklyn has zero incentive to lose or develop young guys (not even sure how many guys they have left), but simply put, without Bledsoe, we are not a better team than Brooklyn or Minnesota. As you saw on the numbers I posted yesterday, Bledsoe is really our only player on the entire team that rates significantly above a replacement player. Most everyone else is about even or well below. And Rubio surely will get Wiggins and Towns more opportunities than Knight or Goodwin will give Booker, Warren or Len.

I tend to pull more for my team to lose when they are clearly out of it in the NFL, where draft pick spot is confirmed based on record and not all up to chance. Plus, with 40 games left, losing too much or getting crushed can possibly impact a player's psyche going forward. We've seen multiple teams draft in the top 5 for years and years and years.....maybe they were all bad picks or maybe those players just lost confidence.

But I'm fine either way as long as the young guys play. I certainly won't be terribly upset if we win though.

Did Sac trade Rondo to Minny?

Fixed. I think some of us around here are picking up a little too much from Ann Drysdale.

[RunDogGun]

Btw, I'm fine if we lose, but I can never wish or want it on this team.

[AtheJ415]

I'm sure they do, its easy to have that view if you aren't the one lacing up the sneakers. Any competitive person wants to win.

You're right, but nobody's saying the players should want to lose. Just that as fans, we have a larger interest in hoping a loss happens than a win at this point in the season.

The problem I saw was fans that actually take it a step further, and tell players they want them to lose. It happened with Dudley here in PHX. Like I said, it's fine to take the year off from being a fan if you want, and then come back and be a fan.

Okay, but I'm not one of those people telling players to lose, so why should I take a year off?

[RunDogGun]

I think we are pretty firmly in the 3rd worst spot if things continue in their current spot. Unless Minnesota gets one of their best guys injured, they should only improve, and Brooklyn has zero incentive to lose or develop young guys (not even sure how many guys they have left), but simply put, without Bledsoe, we are not a better team than Brooklyn or Minnesota. As you saw on the numbers I posted yesterday, Bledsoe is really our only player on the entire team that rates significantly above a replacement player. Most everyone else is about even or well below. And Rubio surely will get Wiggins and Towns more opportunities than Knight or Goodwin will give Booker, Warren or Len.

I tend to pull more for my team to lose when they are clearly out of it in the NFL, where draft pick spot is confirmed based on record and not all up to chance. Plus, with 40 games left, losing too much or getting crushed can possibly impact a player's psyche going forward. We've seen multiple teams draft in the top 5 for years and years and years.....maybe they were all bad picks or maybe those players just lost confidence.

But I'm fine either way as long as the young guys play. I certainly won't be terribly upset if we win though.

Did Sac trade Rondo to Minny?

Fixed. I think some of us around here are picking up a little too much from Ann Drysdale.

I think I've only been able to hear her once or twice. I wouldn't know enough about her to emulate her. Now tons of movies of smartarses, is something I have witnessed enough.

[SSOL]

Yep, we've never won the lotto. I could see us having the worst record, and still end up picking 3rd or 4th over winning it.

It was really strange watching the Cavs vs Wolves game, which had 4 number one picks going at it, and only one of them has a chip, and it was after he left the team which drafted him.

You could see that based on what? Certainly not math. Bottom line, what is the realistic move that puts this franchise in the best position to succeed? The answer is to lose this season and have the math give you a top three selection in the coming draft.

History, and bad luck is what I'm basing my guess on. As far as best chances, who cares at this point, I'm more concerned with actual Suns players, not potential future Suns players. And that isn't Math either, for if we did that we'd find that statistically isn't a guarantee, and nothing worth blowing off the current players, who bust their butts for the Suns. I will always cheer those guys on to win, never to be losers.

Good news, history and luck have nothing to do with the 2016 NBA Draft Lottery. Who cares about best chances? Me. You should too. Everyone should. The odds are the only thing that matter. I'm not suggesting blowing off current players. The Suns have already done that (Knight, Leur, Morris, etc.). There is a reason a trade has yet to be made to fix this, the Suns want more odds, and they are right for it.

[RunDogGun]

You're right, but nobody's saying the players should want to lose. Just that as fans, we have a larger interest in hoping a loss happens than a win at this point in the season.

The problem I saw was fans that actually take it a step further, and tell players they want them to lose. It happened with Dudley here in PHX. Like I said, it's fine to take the year off from being a fan if you want, and then come back and be a fan.

Okay, but I'm not one of those people telling players to lose, so why should I take a year off?

Well I didn't say you did. I was using "you" where I should have used "one".

However, I'm sure players hear about groups of fans wishing or wanting them to lose, even on forums such as this. Plus I feel a fan is someone that wants a team to win. Tonight it seems like there will be more Philly fans on this board, than Suns fans.

[bwgood77]

Would anyone go so far as to say they would like to have the worst record next year since that is even a BETTER draft and it is better for us in the long run? I guess a lot of people have been wanting us to be one of the worst teams for a few years now to get high picks.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1421575&start=16#start_here

Hopefully the balls bounce in our favor for once this year.

[RunDogGun]

You could see that based on what? Certainly not math. Bottom line, what is the realistic move that puts this franchise in the best position to succeed? The answer is to lose this season and have the math give you a top three selection in the coming draft.

History, and bad luck is what I'm basing my guess on. As far as best chances, who cares at this point, I'm more concerned with actual Suns players, not potential future Suns players. And that isn't Math either, for if we did that we'd find that statistically isn't a guarantee, and nothing worth blowing off the current players, who bust their butts for the Suns. I will always cheer those guys on to win, never to be losers.

Good news, history and luck have nothing to do with the 2016 NBA Draft Lottery. Who cares about best chances? Me. You should too. Everyone should. The odds are the only thing that matter. I'm not suggesting blowing off current players. The Suns have already done that (Knight, Leur, Morris, etc.). There is a reason a trade has yet to be made to fix this, the Suns want more odds, and they are right for it.

I disagree, the current players are all that matter, for they are the ones who are here, and most likely will be here in our future. The odds aren't great for us to win the lotto, and the odds get even slimmer that said player becomes a game changer on that rookie contract. Sorry, but you aren't going to get me to wish my current Suns to be losers.

[RunDogGun]

Would anyone go so far as to say they would like to have the worst record next year since that is even a BETTER draft and it is better for us in the long run? I guess a lot of people have been wanting us to be one of the worst teams for a few years now to get high picks.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1421575&start=16#start_here

Hopefully the balls bounce in our favor for once this year.

They should just buy video games, and they will feel better.

[bwgood77]

Did Sac trade Rondo to Minny?

Fixed. I think some of us around here are picking up a little too much from Ann Drysdale.

I think I've only been able to hear her once or twice. I wouldn't know enough about her to emulate her. Now tons of movies of smartarses, is something I have witnessed enough.

It's not you emulating her, it was me, saying Rondo instead of Rubio, and someone called Archie, Archie Griffin yesterday I think.

She calls Tyson Chandler Tyson Chancellor, Paul George George Paul. Just terrible name mistakes repeatedly. It's almost bad enough to where you think she is doing it on purpose to troll us because no one could be an NBA announcer and be that unprepared, but she is.