Is it time to fire McD?

[JMac1]

No. I think he has done a fair job.

[Jdiddy701]

Keep him. He's our guy to bring the right players. Firing him will definitely take a step back even more.


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[Frank Lee]

Keep him. He's our guy to bring the right players. .....

here you go Diddy...for a new level of hope

[WeekapaugGroove]

No,

McDonough has done a good job. The roster as it is has a lot more value than what he took over.

The type of players that McDonough acquired are dictated by the system Hornacek wanted to play. (Duo PG, Brandon Knight).

That said the Suns need to improve their communcation obviously.

The defense of this GM contradicts his own assessment. This is the most dysfunctional team in the NBA. History does not lie.


Gambo ripping it up... 'something is rotten with this organization'

I don't think anyone can deny it's a crap storm of an organization right now. The million dollar question is who's to blame? Is it the GM or the owner? Without knowing who's directing some of the questionable moves and some of the communication issues it's hard to say. As a fan I guess we better hope it's McD's fault because he can be fired and replaced with someone new... if it's Saver well then we might as well find a new team to root for because it won't matter who's the GM and it doesn't seem like he has any plan to sell the team.

[HootieRules]

The Knight trade was a fireable offense. No GM worth a salt makes that trade.

[BobbieL]

Its time to fire the bleeping owner

Under Sarver:

GMs: Colangelo to him/D'antonio to Kerr to the worst, Sarver again, to Babby/Blanks to Ryan

Coaches: Mike D to Porter to Gentry to Hunter to Hornacek to now Watson

Its the owner. The owner is driving this train. You can blame Hornacek for his rotations; you can blame Ryan for this or that but at the end of the day


Sarver is the idiot who let Mike D trade away picks for cash only to sign Marcus Banks

Sarver is the idiot who traded away Kurt Thomar nothing because he didn't have the foresight to see the salary cap went up when the base year deals for Diaw and Barbosa kicked in meaning somebody had to go

Sarver is so up and down with money. He is not cheap. Just fiscally stupid. Like he lets Amare go - but then signs a bunch of average players to not one year deals - MULTI YEAR deals

Sarver was the guy who didn't give raises for Kerr and his staff and instead lets his GM walk out the most important month of the GMs duties - July free agency

Its Sarver all the damn way

[BobbieL]

No,

McDonough has done a good job. The roster as it is has a lot more value than what he took over.

The type of players that McDonough acquired are dictated by the system Hornacek wanted to play. (Duo PG, Brandon Knight).

That said the Suns need to improve their communcation obviously.

The defense of this GM contradicts his own assessment. This is the most dysfunctional team in the NBA. History does not lie.


Gambo ripping it up... 'something is rotten with this organization'

When Gambo starts really ripping Sarver like Jude LaCava did with Jurecki and Oehler today - than that will be a start. I think Gambo is still got a wedgie at Ryan McD because the last story Gambo broke on the Suns - and he used to break them all - was probably before Ryan got there. Gambo needs to rip on Sarver. I mean rip him good like he rips on Keiff

[saintEscaton]

No,

McDonough has done a good job. The roster as it is has a lot more value than what he took over.

The type of players that McDonough acquired are dictated by the system Hornacek wanted to play. (Duo PG, Brandon Knight).

That said the Suns need to improve their communcation obviously.

The defense of this GM contradicts his own assessment. This is the most dysfunctional team in the NBA. History does not lie.


Gambo ripping it up... 'something is rotten with this organization'

When Gambo starts really ripping Sarver like Jude LaCava did with Jurecki and Oehler today - than that will be a start. I think Gambo is still got a wedgie at Ryan McD because the last story Gambo broke on the Suns - and he used to break them all - was probably before Ryan got there. Gambo needs to rip on Sarver. I mean rip him good like he rips on Keiff

The only redeemable characteristic of Gambo is that he constantly rustles McD's jimmies and holds him accountable

[Mulhollanddrive]

"We know we're on the clock and we need to step it up and improve our talent level".

Maybe reading that wrong, but we're still looking to win ASAP.

[Frank Lee]

......
The only redeemable characteristic of Gambo is that he constantly rustles McD's jimmies and holds him accountable

Doesn't McDialtone come on their show every Wednesday ? He can't be looking forward to the next exchange. They pretty much broke down every thing he said today.

[bwgood77]

No,

McDonough has done a good job. The roster as it is has a lot more value than what he took over.

The type of players that McDonough acquired are dictated by the system Hornacek wanted to play. (Duo PG, Brandon Knight).

That said the Suns need to improve their communcation obviously.

The defense of this GM contradicts his own assessment. This is the most dysfunctional team in the NBA. History does not lie.


Gambo ripping it up... 'something is rotten with this organization'

I don't think anyone can deny it's a crap storm of an organization right now. The million dollar question is who's to blame? Is it the GM or the owner? Without knowing who's directing some of the questionable moves and some of the communication issues it's hard to say. As a fan I guess we better hope it's McD's fault because he can be fired and replaced with someone new... if it's Saver well then we might as well find a new team to root for because it won't matter who's the GM and it doesn't seem like he has any plan to sell the team.

It's a combination, but I think the media needs to start ripping them in the press every chance they get (despite it destroying sources which doesn't matter since they are tight lipped anyway) and make Sarver look like an asshat and make him feel like Hornacek probably felt and just want out. Then he sells the team. The media could possibly make this happen if they tried hard enough.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Interesting I read that he said his biggest mistake was trying to be do things to quickly after the first season and that the successful teams like GS and OKC had a 'long, painful process' (they actually drafted all their All-Stars within 4 years).

I wonder what that will mean to our future strategy.

[SarcasticSun]

If we fire McD, I'm really going to be down on our chances of ever landing a solid GM with Sarver here. Look he has made his mistakes, as should be expected from a young, inexperienced GM, but he has also hit extremely well on some things. More importantly, he has owned up to his mistakes and sought to fix them!! Kerr made mistakes and we ran him out of the desert for it, now look at that decision. San Antonio fans wanted to fire Pop before they got Duncan.

The point is, due to the lack of elite players, it is extremely tough to be a GM in this league. All of them are going to make mistakes. But when you have one as good at drafting as McD, you have to keep him. Drafting is just that important, especially when we haven't landed a key free agent in a long time

[bwgood77]

Interesting I read that he said his biggest mistake was trying to be do things to quickly after the first season and that the successful teams like GS and OKC had a 'long, painful process' (they actually drafted all their All-Stars within 4 years).

I wonder what that will mean to our future strategy.

yeah, when I was listening I was thinking of the three teams and their draft picks over those years.

Curry, Thompson, Green

Durant, Westbrook, Harden (then Ibaka)

Len, Warren, Booker (and Goodwin)

We seem to be a little out matched, but hey, I guess we can be hopeful.

[DRK]

Do I want him fired? No.

Does he deserve to be fired after that disasterous Knight trade? Absolutely.

[SarcasticSun]

Interesting I read that he said his biggest mistake was trying to be do things to quickly after the first season and that the successful teams like GS and OKC had a 'long, painful process' (they actually drafted all their All-Stars within 4 years).

I wonder what that will mean to our future strategy.

yeah, when I was listening I was thinking of the three teams and their draft picks over those years.

Curry, Thompson, Green

Durant, Westbrook, Harden (then Ibaka)

Len, Warren, Booker (and Goodwin)

We seem to be a little out matched, but hey, I guess we can be hopeful.

I don't think the comparison to OKC is fair. They drafted Westbrook at 4, Durant at 2, and Harden at 3. Len was the 5th pick in an absolutely terrible draft. In reality, the 5th pick in that draft was basically like a 10th-15th pick in a normal draft. Warren and Booker were like 13 and 14.

The GS comparison..well frankly they got lucky and had great scouting. Curry should have never fell to 7, they certainly weren't expecting it which is why they were going to trade the pick for Amare till he fell. Not a knock a GS, every contender ever had to get lucky. Now they did get lucky with Curry, but they also had to hit on Klay and Draymond, much harder picks to hit. Guess who drafted Curry and Klay? Larry Riley. And guess who was their head of scouting department and certainly play a huge role in drafting Green? Larry Riley. He is still their head of scouting. But yes, the man who built the current Warriors was actually demoted for it. He was booed out of his GM position by their fans. They are lucky he accepted his demotion and stayed on as a scout, because the man clearly is great as a scout.

All of this comes back to my main point, scouting means every thing. You could argue that McD isn't that great of a scout, but honestly just look back at his three drafts. As far as players that went after us, there is really no one that we missed out on or that moves the needle for this team. Noel over Len? meh. No one after Warren really gets me excited. And I don't have to point out how brilliant the Booker pick is looking.

Anyways, my point is, a guy like McD, given high enough picks and a little luck, can build you a championship team through the draft.

[bwgood77]

Interesting I read that he said his biggest mistake was trying to be do things to quickly after the first season and that the successful teams like GS and OKC had a 'long, painful process' (they actually drafted all their All-Stars within 4 years).

I wonder what that will mean to our future strategy.

yeah, when I was listening I was thinking of the three teams and their draft picks over those years.

Curry, Thompson, Green

Durant, Westbrook, Harden (then Ibaka)

Len, Warren, Booker (and Goodwin)

We seem to be a little out matched, but hey, I guess we can be hopeful.

I don't think the comparison to OKC is fair. They drafted Westbrook at 4, Durant at 2, and Harden at 3. Len was the 5th pick in an absolutely terrible draft. In reality, the 5th pick in that draft was basically like a 10th-15th pick in a normal draft. Warren and Booker were like 13 and 14.

The GS comparison..well frankly they got lucky and had great scouting. Curry should have never fell to 7, they certainly weren't expecting it which is why they were going to trade the pick for Amare till he fell. Not a knock a GS, every contender ever had to get lucky. Now they did get lucky with Curry, but they also had to hit on Klay and Draymond, much harder picks to hit. Guess who drafted Curry and Klay? Larry Riley. And guess who was their head of scouting department and certainly play a huge role in drafting Green? Larry Riley. He is still their head of scouting. But yes, the man who built the current Warriors was actually demoted for it. He was booed out of his GM position by their fans. They are lucky he accepted his demotion and stayed on as a scout, because the man clearly is great as a scout.

All of this comes back to my main point, scouting means every thing. You could argue that McD isn't that great of a scout, but honestly just look back at his three drafts. As far as players that went after us, there is really no one that we missed out on or that moves the needle for this team. Noel over Len? meh. No one after Warren really gets me excited. And I don't have to point out how brilliant the Booker pick is looking.

Anyways, my point is, a guy like McD, given high enough picks and a little luck, can build you a championship team through the draft.

Didn't know this, and this proves a good point that jcsunsfan made,, where he said he should be promoted to VP Player Personnel and Scouting or something of that nature, and bring in another GM to handle the interpersonal relationships, dealing with players, scouts, coaches, other GMs, etc, since this is obviously not his strong suit.

[SarcasticSun]

yeah, when I was listening I was thinking of the three teams and their draft picks over those years.

Curry, Thompson, Green

Durant, Westbrook, Harden (then Ibaka)

Len, Warren, Booker (and Goodwin)

We seem to be a little out matched, but hey, I guess we can be hopeful.

I don't think the comparison to OKC is fair. They drafted Westbrook at 4, Durant at 2, and Harden at 3. Len was the 5th pick in an absolutely terrible draft. In reality, the 5th pick in that draft was basically like a 10th-15th pick in a normal draft. Warren and Booker were like 13 and 14.

The GS comparison..well frankly they got lucky and had great scouting. Curry should have never fell to 7, they certainly weren't expecting it which is why they were going to trade the pick for Amare till he fell. Not a knock a GS, every contender ever had to get lucky. Now they did get lucky with Curry, but they also had to hit on Klay and Draymond, much harder picks to hit. Guess who drafted Curry and Klay? Larry Riley. And guess who was their head of scouting department and certainly play a huge role in drafting Green? Larry Riley. He is still their head of scouting. But yes, the man who built the current Warriors was actually demoted for it. He was booed out of his GM position by their fans. They are lucky he accepted his demotion and stayed on as a scout, because the man clearly is great as a scout.

All of this comes back to my main point, scouting means every thing. You could argue that McD isn't that great of a scout, but honestly just look back at his three drafts. As far as players that went after us, there is really no one that we missed out on or that moves the needle for this team. Noel over Len? meh. No one after Warren really gets me excited. And I don't have to point out how brilliant the Booker pick is looking.

Anyways, my point is, a guy like McD, given high enough picks and a little luck, can build you a championship team through the draft.

Didn't know this, and this proves a good point that jcsunsfan made,, where he said he should be promoted to VP Player Personnel and Scouting or something of that nature, and bring in another GM to handle the interpersonal relationships, dealing with players, scouts, coaches, other GMs, etc, since this is obviously not his strong suit.

If we could talk McD into just running the scouting department, that would be awesome. Unfortunately I think his fate comes down to the lottery this year. We get a top two pick, we probably makes the playoffs next year. A guy like Simmons fills a huge hole on this roster and makes our whole team much better. Anyone not Ingram or Simmons and we may still get a good player, we probably don't improve enough for playoffs and Sarver, as hungry to make those playoffs as he is, will let McD's contract expire.

[GMATCallahan]

Didn't know this, and this proves a good point that jcsunsfan made,, where he said he should be promoted to VP Player Personnel and Scouting or something of that nature, and bring in another GM to handle the interpersonal relationships, dealing with players, scouts, coaches, other GMs, etc, since this is obviously not his strong suit.

... yeah, but that would be a demotion, really. A promotion would be giving McDonough the title of "Vice President of Basketball Operations," which would mean that he would possess even greater clout.

[bwgood77]

If we could talk McD into just running the scouting department, that would be awesome. Unfortunately I think his fate comes down to the lottery this year. We get a top two pick, we probably makes the playoffs next year. A guy like Simmons fills a huge hole on this roster and makes our whole team much better. Anyone not Ingram or Simmons and we may still get a good player, we probably don't improve enough for playoffs and Sarver, as hungry to make those playoffs as he is, will let McD's contract expire.

It all depends on who else we can sign or trade for. I think adding Simmons or Ingram to this current roster wouldn't be enough on it's own and I generally think people overestimate how immediate the impact of adding a premier talent in the draft will be.

AD was great as a rookie, and Blake Griffin and others were great their first years, but rarely does a team transform that quickly because of a rookie.

Clearly more changes to the roster and HOPEFULLY a final set roster to move forward with for the new coach so he isn't in the same situation we just watched happen.