The 2016 Offseason Thread

[thamadkant]

Harden is getting a similar contract to Conley.


Conley is a good PG...

Harden is one of the best offensive players... And would be top 3 player of he consistently put effort defensively... Because in the past he has shown ability to play defense.



And as I keep pushing... I think Cousins will enter the trade block within the first 20 games of the season... When Kings suck again.
That team needs to be rebuilt from scratch.. Too many mis fits and no identity.

Just like the Suns.. But atleast the Suns have youth on the rise.


Cousins is the weapon against small ball.... And will be an MVP candidate and will be in control when the Wins come.

[sunsbum]

The future is truely bright!!!!!

[saintEscaton]

Harden is getting a similar contract to Conley.


Conley is a good PG...

Harden is one of the best offensive players... And would be top 3 player of he consistently put effort defensively... Because in the past he has shown ability to play defense.



And as I keep pushing... I think Cousins will enter the trade block within the first 20 games of the season... When Kings suck again.
That team needs to be rebuilt from scratch.. Too many mis fits and no identity.

Just like the Suns.. But atleast the Suns have youth on the rise.


Cousins is the weapon against small ball.... And will be an MVP candidate and will be in control when the Wins come.

Echoing my thoughts. I think Boogie can be the gamechanger for Cavs if they clear enough cap space to offer him more than the MLE when he hits the market 2018

[blee732]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 8m8 minutes ago
Sources on @TheVertical: All-Star James Harden has agreed to a 4-year, $118M contract renegotiation that takes him through 2020 in Houston.

Wow. That takes him off the market like he was supposed to be in 2018.

Anything that makes it less likely he ends up in a Suns uniform can only be a good thing (for me anyway, not a fan).

I wonder if we'll see more renegotiations like this. It's very rare mid-contract, but there might be pressure to do this when you have the Bazemores of the world getting 17-18M per on new deals.

[bwgood77]

That offer would be hung up on though. They don't need Len, as they have two young centers and would have to pay Len in the offseason. Tucker would leave. That leaves Goodwin who isn't worth anything, Knight, who isn't that great right now, and Warren who isn't along enough for a team (outside of the Suns) to value him much. Even adding a few firsts probably doesn't get it done. I'm sure they will get better offers and players offered than that. Their draft picks haven't exactly panned out well in the last few years so picks might not even be that valuable to them.

I don't believe that for a second. In today's NBA 1sts are like gold. I'm not sure any player is actually worth 3 first rounders let alone Boogie Cousins.

You don't think any player is worth 3 firsts? I'm talking protected. Like two lotto protected firsts and Miami's top 7 pick. I would take something like that if you are offering mostly crap players, or just one or two with potential to be bench guys.

[bwgood77]

Have all of you dumping on Rudy Gay actually watched him since he went to Sacramento? I doubt it. No one watches Kings games. He's played fairly well for them and shot the ball well. He'd be the 4th option here if that trade went through, and he'd probably get a ton of open looks with so much attention paid to Booker and Cousins.

Busted--no I haven't. But to me, his age, combined with the fact that he would take all of Warren's minutes, leaves me not being interested...UNLESS...we get Boogie with him, and Warren was part of the pkg.

30YO with a career 34% 3PT%, which he shot exactly last year, along with a .359 last year, and a .312 the year before that...no thanks.

Yes, zero point in adding Gay to our roster.

[sunsbum]

Have all of you dumping on Rudy Gay actually watched him since he went to Sacramento? I doubt it. No one watches Kings games. He's played fairly well for them and shot the ball well. He'd be the 4th option here if that trade went through, and he'd probably get a ton of open looks with so much attention paid to Booker and Cousins.

Busted--no I haven't. But to me, his age, combined with the fact that he would take all of Warren's minutes, leaves me not being interested...UNLESS...we get Boogie with him, and Warren was part of the pkg.

30YO with a career 34% 3PT%, which he shot exactly last year, along with a .359 last year, and a .312 the year before that...no thanks.

Yes, zero point in adding Gay to our roster.

I 100% agree, while Jaron Collins would add great vetran leadership, theres just no room for him on the roster right now.

[BobbieL]

Sullinger is a free agent... Boston renounced his rights

I do not think there is a need. Bender and Chriss need to play

[NavLDO]

Sullinger is a free agent... Boston renounced his rights

I do not think there is a need. Bender and Chriss need to play

They do, and apparently, we'll have Duds taking a good amount of time at PF, as well, so the 'vet' aspect is taken care of, but I'd be happy to sign Sully for a short, team option 2nd year, 'prove it' deal.

[OGBAH]

When are Williams and Jenkins contracts guaranteed

[BobbieL]

Sullinger is a free agent... Boston renounced his rights

I do not think there is a need. Bender and Chriss need to play

They do, and apparently, we'll have Duds taking a good amount of time at PF, as well, so the 'vet' aspect is taken care of, but I'd be happy to sign Sully for a short, team option 2nd year, 'prove it' deal.

I agree that if the deal were a team option in year 2 -- that would be okay. I think the team needs to spend 6m to hit the salary cap floor. But that is without any other trades or anything. Like if Goodwin is traded and Jenkins kept, that's 1m since Archie makes 2m.

[BobbieL]

When are Williams and Jenkins contracts guaranteed

Jenkins 7/11 - so one day for Ryan McD to figure it out or trade somebody

Williams is September 1

I can see a trade of Archie to give him more playing time

[Barkley6]

When are Williams and Jenkins contracts guaranteed

Jenkins 7/11 - so one day for Ryan McD to figure it out or trade somebody

Williams is September 1

I can see a trade of Archie to give him more playing time

Definitely think the signing of Barbosa puts Archie on the block. Archie is the 4th or 5th guard right now, and I don't see that changing much, especially with his refusal to play summer league despite major holes in his game.

[OGBAH]

Thought Archie was too old for summer league

[NTB]

Thought Archie was too old for summer league

Isn't Michael Beasley playing at SL this year?

[Barkley6]

Thought Archie was too old for summer league

Didn't Tucker play like 2 years ago?

[OGBAH]

Old as in played SL 3 times already
Len too I think

[Fo-Real]

No such thing as too old for summerleague. D leagers and nba journeymen play to catch some teams eye. Don't know if Archie refused to play but he probably thinks it's beneath him. I also think the signing of Barbosa could number his days, not tonly mention the shooting of Kuric in the summerleague.

[letsgosuns]

The Suns have too many guards. There are six guards that need to play. Look at the rotation (Gambo said Knight will backup Bledsoe):

PG: Bledsoe/Knight/Ulis
SG: Booker/Barbosa/Goodwin

How can you please all of them with sufficient minutes. You cannot. There is no way the Suns signed Barbosa for 4 million a year to keep him on the bench. Booker and Bledsoe are the clear starters and will get at least 30 minutes per game. I also do not see Booker playing small forward and going with a Bledsoe/Knight/Booker lineup. Not with Warren and Tucker still on the team. And do not forget Dudley plays small forward too. Even Bender looks like he can play small forward. When you have so much talent, length, and versatility, you do not play a small dual point guard lineup. Knight is the guy that needs to go. There is no point in having a player on the team that wants to be the main ball handler and play at least 30 minutes a game when the team already has players that do that. Knight needs to be on a team where he is the starting point guard and not fighting for minutes.

[Puff]

The Suns have too many guards. There are six guards that need to play. Look at the rotation (Gambo said Knight will backup Bledsoe):

PG: Bledsoe/Knight/Ulis
SG: Booker/Barbosa/Goodwin

How can you please all of them with sufficient minutes. You cannot. There is no way the Suns signed Barbosa for 4 million a year to keep him on the bench. Booker and Bledsoe are the clear starters and will get at least 30 minutes per game. I also do not see Booker playing small forward and going with a Bledsoe/Knight/Booker lineup. Not with Warren and Tucker still on the team. And do not forget Dudley plays small forward too. Even Bender looks like he can play small forward. When you have so much talent, length, and versatility, you do not play a small dual point guard lineup. Knight is the guy that needs to go. There is no point in having a player on the team that wants to be the main ball handler and play at least 30 minutes a game when the team already has players that do that. Knight needs to be on a team where he is the starting point guard and not fighting for minutes.

Everyone seems to think that Booker is not going to play the three. Well I think you are completely wrong in that belief. This will surely happen after the trade for LB, unless Knight is traded.

I foresee our starting lineup on opening to be as follows:

C - Chandler or Len (This is the only position of question)
PF - Dudley
SF - Booker - (maybe Warren but my money is on Booker starting)
SG - Knight
PG - Bledsoe

It surely could be our best lineup at crunch time, unless one of the rookies step up, which likely will not happen early in the year.

The writing has been on the wall since Watson was hired on as coach. He said he saw Booker at the three as viable, as I remember.