Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion

[Frank Lee]

This is setting up to be the typical Suns off season. Touting the draft pick as an important piece of the future, while striking out with trades and free agency. Then a hard marketing sell on the wonders of developing youngsters in route to another 30 win season.

Who's on a treadmill now?


Exercise:
name McDo's top 3 FA acquisitions
Name his top 3 trades

Now add up the total talent infusion

[Bogyo]

Plus I don't see the Cavs trading 2 pretty reliable 3 point shooters. They need them in the playoffs and against GSW in the finals.

[darealjuice]

This is setting up to be the typical Suns off season. Touting the draft pick as an important piece of the future, while striking out with trades and free agency. Then a hard marketing sell on the wonders of developing youngsters in route to another 30 win season.

Who's on a treadmill now?


Exercise:
name McDo's top 3 FA acquisitions
Name his top 3 trades

Now add up the total talent infusion

[JJ13]

This is setting up to be the typical Suns off season. Touting the draft pick as an important piece of the future, while striking out with trades and free agency. Then a hard marketing sell on the wonders of developing youngsters in route to another 30 win season.

Who's on a treadmill now?


Exercise:
name McDo's top 3 FA acquisitions
Name his top 3 trades

Now add up the total talent infusion

To be fair, name 5 other teams with equal value/talent acquired via draft, FA, trades in the last 5 years

[matt131]

Shams - Free agent Rajon Rondo has reached agreement on a one-year deal with the New Orleans Pelicans, league sources tell The Vertical.


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[darealjuice]

Rondo is 100% leading the NBA in assists next year

[matt131]

Rondo is 100% leading the NBA in assists next year

I could see it. I also wouldn't be surprised if its Lonzo or Wall


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[jredsaz]

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Why not Knight for Noah?

We add a little in salary but we don't sign Len and Noah comes in to help teach our kids how to play. He always has been a good rebounder & defender as well as a willing and able passer. He should fit where we are trying to go, ball movement and defense, and be a bridge to our future.

Much rather pay a bad wing than a bad big in today's league.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Why not Knight for Noah?

We add a little in salary but we don't sign Len and Noah comes in to help teach our kids how to play. He always has been a good rebounder & defender as well as a willing and able passer. He should fit where we are trying to go, ball movement and defense, and be a bridge to our future.

Much rather pay a bad wing than a bad big in today's league.

They're not "bad" in the same way. BK had a bad year, but he's young, healthy and could conceivably perform much better. Noah is old and injured and his skills are not useful unless he is elite - and he is as far from that as can be imagined ATM. Plus the money's very different, making Noah *clearly* a negative asset. BK is arguably a positive asset, even with his terrible tenure in Phoenix. There's a world of difference there.

IMO, this is on Knight's representation to convince another organization to give up two second rounders (or at least one) and expirings for BK. I don't have any particular affection for BK, but even I think that is a reasonable price. There is no financial pressure on us to clear his contract. If Knight doesn't want to waste his prime wearing warm-ups on the sideline, it will be up to him to show that he is worth playing. I bet we'll give him a chance to do that, if it is necessary, by putting BK in Barbosa's role off the bench, with the understanding that even if he plays well, we do not currently anticipate that he'll get more time. Go out there and audition for other teams. If you can convince someone to throw us a bone, we will move you. We wish you all the best.

That's all we can do; that's all we should do. Good luck, BK.

[jredsaz]

Why not Knight for Noah?

We add a little in salary but we don't sign Len and Noah comes in to help teach our kids how to play. He always has been a good rebounder & defender as well as a willing and able passer. He should fit where we are trying to go, ball movement and defense, and be a bridge to our future.

Much rather pay a bad wing than a bad big in today's league.

They're not "bad" in the same way. BK had a bad year, but he's young, healthy and could conceivably perform much better. Noah is old and injured and his skills are not useful unless he is elite - and he is as far from that as can be imagined ATM. Plus the money's very different, making Noah *clearly* a negative asset. BK is arguably a positive asset, even with his terrible tenure in Phoenix. There's a world of difference there.

IMO, this is on Knight's representation to convince another organization to give up two second rounders (or at least one) and expirings for BK. I don't have any particular affection for BK, but even I think that is a reasonable price. There is no financial pressure on us to clear his contract. If Knight doesn't want to waste his prime wearing warm-ups on the sideline, it will be up to him to show that he is worth playing. I bet we'll give him a chance to do that, if it is necessary, by putting BK in Barbosa's role off the bench, with the understanding that even if he plays well, we do not currently anticipate that he'll get more time. Go out there and audition for other teams. If you can convince someone to throw us a bone, we will move you. We wish you all the best.

That's all we can do; that's all we should do. Good luck, BK.

I would like to think knight isn't a bad player. But all of the stats point to that fact. Even in his near all star year with the Bucks he was an inefficient ball stopper who they immediately traded when his value was the highest.

I talked myself into it at first but that dude is garbage. But you're right about one thing, he isn't old broken garbage like Noah. That is one of the few contracts I wouldn't take back for him.

Why not Knight for Noah?

We add a little in salary but we don't sign Len and Noah comes in to help teach our kids how to play. He always has been a good rebounder & defender as well as a willing and able passer. He should fit where we are trying to go, ball movement and defense, and be a bridge to our future.

Much rather pay a bad wing than a bad big in today's league.

They're not "bad" in the same way. BK had a bad year, but he's young, healthy and could conceivably perform much better. Noah is old and injured and his skills are not useful unless he is elite - and he is as far from that as can be imagined ATM. Plus the money's very different, making Noah *clearly* a negative asset. BK is arguably a positive asset, even with his terrible tenure in Phoenix. There's a world of difference there.

IMO, this is on Knight's representation to convince another organization to give up two second rounders (or at least one) and expirings for BK. I don't have any particular affection for BK, but even I think that is a reasonable price. There is no financial pressure on us to clear his contract. If Knight doesn't want to waste his prime wearing warm-ups on the sideline, it will be up to him to show that he is worth playing. I bet we'll give him a chance to do that, if it is necessary, by putting BK in Barbosa's role off the bench, with the understanding that even if he plays well, we do not currently anticipate that he'll get more time. Go out there and audition for other teams. If you can convince someone to throw us a bone, we will move you. We wish you all the best.

That's all we can do; that's all we should do. Good luck, BK.

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[Kerrsed]

Well with Rondo now in New Orleans, you can now scratch Bledsoe off their list.

But......

With Rondo now In New Orleans, Knight is working his way UP New Yorks list.

Spent about an hour and a half last night on the Knicks board reading their thoughts on Knight (Melo trade thread racks up around 50+ pages in around a day and a half). A few were ok going for Knight (Attributing his previous years play, and his play under Horny). More posters than that were fine with Knight, because we would HAVE to include a 1st round pick to dump him (Also insinuating that we suck, so it would be a high lotto pick; like we wouldnt protect it or just give up the Miami pick instead). But the vast majority want nothing to do with him. Saw trade ideas where we end up giving up a 1st AND taking on Noah. That one was laughable. Quite a few where all about Bledsoe, offering up what pretty much amounts to Jack ****. Definitely some knowledgeable posters tried correcting them and insisting that they dont have the assets to nab Bledsoe.

But i do still think that there is a Knight trade still available with New York. He did pretty good under Horny and $13M for a starting PG is great, and $13M for a backup PG is still pretty damn good when they are ready to start Frank over him. I think it will be a part of the Melo trade, so its not like they are giving up all that much for a player in a position of need either.

[Puff]

Noah is probably the worst contract in the league, basically because he is always injured and when healthy he has regressed A LOT. He can not play at all.

I don't disagree with that but if Knight must go I expect we are looking at taking on someone like Noah. Gambo said it last week on his show. No one wants Knight for free. The only way he goes anywhere is if we take on a player the other team does not want. He says the only goal the Suns have is to bring in less salary in return. Noah does not fit that premiss.

Rather than including Knight in trades for anyone any good, it just is not going to happen. I think we should make a list of players that are on bad contracts that we could trade him for. They will need to have less than his salary due to them, that is what Gambo says the Suns want in return for a trade to happen. Knight has 43.8 Mil due to him

Atlanta - Miles Plumlee - 25.0 Mil guaranteed
Brooklyn - Demarre Carroll - 30.2 Mil
Chicago - Dwayne Wade - 23.5 or Robin Lopez 28.0
Dallas - Wesley Mathews - 36 Mil
New Orleans - Omer Asik - 35.6 Mil
Knicks - Courtney Lee - 39.5

Feel free to add to this list. These are the type of players we are looking at to get in return for Brandon Knight, not a player like Porzingis. Gambo also suggested that the plan at this point is to keep him and hopefully he will be able to produce enough in the playing time he will get to improve his value around the league. I totally expect Knight to be on the roster at the start of the season.

[Kerrsed]

But...but....but.... i thought the almighty GamboGod said Knight would never play another game in a Suns jersey.

[Puff]

But...but....but.... i thought the almighty GamboGod said Knight would never play another game in a Suns jersey.

He did say that but changed his tune this week.

I looked at all contracts around the league and Knight has one of the worst contracts around the league. Actually there are some worse, like Noah and Mosgov, but I really do not see a way in hell that Knight is not a Phoenix Sun come November. The only other option is if he is somehow part of a much bigger deal, like the Houston/Knick deal. However I do not think the Suns want to take on Anderson's deal for him. It does not meet their standards for the deal to happen and the Knick's basically would get Knight for Carmelo. That just is not going to happen without a lot of draft picks included. We are not going to take on Anderson's additional salary while giving away our draft picks to dump Knight.

If Morey is able to make that deal for Melo he is a true wizard.

I think I would prefer Anderson to Melo if I were the Rockets. If they do get Melo, MDA is going to have his hands full.

[Revived]

I think Ryan Anderson is a better player than Knight so I'd rather be stuck with Anderson's contract than Knight's honestly.

[SideSwipe]

There is no reason to trade Knight now if we don't need wins. Keep him and build value. His value can only go up if this this board is an accurate measure of his value. Trade Bledsoe to CLE or LAC and tell him thanks for his dutiful service. Hand the reigns to Knight at the point while bringing Jackson and Ulis up behind him at the ball handler position.

[Kerrsed]

But...but....but.... i thought the almighty GamboGod said Knight would never play another game in a Suns jersey.

He did say that but changed his tune this week.

I looked at all contracts around the league and Knight has one of the worst contracts around the league. Actually there are some worse, like Noah and Mosgov, but I really do not see a way in hell that Knight is not a Phoenix Sun come November. The only other option is if he is somehow part of a much bigger deal, like the Houston/Knick deal. However I do not think the Suns want to take on Anderson's deal for him. It does not meet their standards for the deal to happen and the Knick's basically would get Knight for Carmelo. That just is not going to happen without a lot of draft picks included. We are not going to take on Anderson's additional salary while giving away our draft picks to dump Knight.

If Morey is able to make that deal for Melo he is a true wizard.

I think I would prefer Anderson to Melo if I were the Rockets. If they do get Melo, MDA is going to have his hands full.

Knights contract isnt even close to being one of the worsts.

Noah
Mozgov
Deng
Barnes
Crabbe
Evan Turner
Bazemore
Carroll
Reggie Jackson
Biyombo

Are all worse than Knights. And those are just off the top of my head, i know there are a few more that im forgetting. The fact is $13M a season isnt actually all that bad, even for a back-up PG/SG.

Hell, Portland has 3 SG's under contract (McCollum/Crabbe/Turner) that all make over $17M!

[RunDogGun]

I will say Jackson's handles and moves around the bucket remind of Dr J. He his a knack for those sweeping reverse layups. Damn nice handles for someone his size.

I was thinking something similar, but it was just the hair. Man if he was dribbling an ABA red,white, and blue ball and wearing a Nets 32 jersey I'd be completely convinced he was the second coming of Dr J.

[Frank Lee]

This is setting up to be the typical Suns off season. Touting the draft pick as an important piece of the future, while striking out with trades and free agency. Then a hard marketing sell on the wonders of developing youngsters in route to another 30 win season.

Who's on a treadmill now?


Exercise:
name McDo's top 3 FA acquisitions
Name his top 3 trades

Now add up the total talent infusion

To be fair, name 5 other teams with equal value/talent acquired via draft, FA, trades in the last 5 years

Utah, Denver, Minnesota, Houston, Sacramento (yeah... I said it) and thats just in the west. And yes, I consider coaches to be 'talent' too.

To be fair, rather than compare our rebuilds to these other ones, why not just answer the questions posed?

My point is, McDo is sneakily failing this franchise masking his ineptitude with a perpetual rebuild. The can is continuously kicked down the road. I endorse a stream of good young talent. But this 'all in' youth movement timeline BS short changes the team AND the town. I am 90% sure he is full of ****. Listen to him. He's so GD happy someone coined the 'Timeline'. You really think he is on Plan A ? Seems the dude is too f-n stingy he is almost afraid to pull the trigger on a deal. There is no reason why we did not land Boogie... we had that deal beat. Same for De'angelo Russell. Now you can argue about whether or not these guys would be worth it... but you still have to acknowledge McDo has been nothing but a buttplugged spectator the past few off seasons. He can't even give away his best Free Agent signings nor his recent trades. Now he is beginning to echo Watson and his rainbow farting rhetoric. "We are so f-n high on all these players" that we can't begin to think of life without them. And now they are trying to convince the fan base.

Nut up McDo. You dont have to cancel the wonderful 'Timeline' to put a competitive team on the court.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Well Frank I do find it a little ironic that two of the worst moves McD made were basically trying to do what you're suggesting. Trading that pick for Knight and signing Chandler were both done to try to speed up the "timeline" and maintain and build off that first 48 win season. This is really only the second year they are going full youth and don't care about winning. The first two years of McD's tenure they were competitive and played more vets than people remember. They were awful in 2015/2016 but that was by accident; they paid Chandler and Knight a bunch of money that offseason and they were trying to make the playoffs. It was only last year that they said you know what this compete while rebuilding isn't working so lets just lean on the young guys.

Now with all that said I'm not one that thinks it's a lock they should extend McD. To me I have to see some of the young guys look good before I would do that. I'm totally cool with the go really young strategy but that doesn't mean there's no accountability. Anyone GM can go young but you need to prove you are picking the right players or it's a waste of time and losing.