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Can Josh Jackson Start at PG?

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Josh Jackson plans to play some PG in the future 

Post#21 » by Revived » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:22 am

He is also focused on his ball-handling, as he plans on playing some point guard moving forward.

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/on-the-rise-josh-jackson/

Interesting tidbit there...
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Post#22 » by Saberestar » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:56 am

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He is also focused on his ball-handling, as he plans on playing some point guard moving forward.

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/on-the-rise-josh-jackson/

Interesting tidbit there...

I would love to watch him playing PG. He just needs to improve his ball handling and slow down his game.

He has that PG mentality in him...he wants to create for others and himself and he can be more effective at that position because he is not a good shooter.
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Re: Can Josh Jackson Start at PG? 

Post#23 » by TOO » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:16 am

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eitanr wrote:How about using the 16th pick to acquire said PG, but still make that player have some size who can help pace the unit. What about 16th pick for Tomas Satornsky?

I kind of like him next to Booker, and helping maintain pace and movement for a 1st unit.


Oh heavens no.

16 in this draft is still a solid player, not giving that up for a career back up.

Sato put up really good #s when starting for John Wall. To dismiss him as a career back up is silly considering many of the guys being discussed like Smart, FVV, McConnell etc have all been backups for all of their NBA careers thus far.


You said move 16 for Satoransky, who literally has been a career back up. I didnt dismiss him, you made a suggestion, and I told you why I wouldnt do it. You would've given up the chance to obtain Mikal Bridges for Tomas **** Satoransky. GROSSSSS.
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Re: Can Josh Jackson Start at PG? 

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Post#25 » by Fo-Real » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:35 pm

I am hoping this has legs. Josh/ Book/ Bridges/ ??/ Ayton has a ring to it.
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Re: Can Josh Jackson Start at PG? 

Post#26 » by matt131 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:09 pm

I mean if he dedicated his entire life to training to become a PG, maybe. But I feel like he's a little too loose with his handle and turns the ball over too much (not becasue of his decision making but just because he doesn't have the handles of a point guard). But yes, a 6'8" PG with a 6'10" wingspan would be ideal defensively haha
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Re: Can Josh Jackson Start at PG? 

Post#27 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:34 pm

matt131 wrote:I mean if he dedicated his entire life to training to become a PG, maybe. But I feel like he's a little too loose with his handle and turns the ball over too much (not becasue of his decision making but just because he doesn't have the handles of a point guard). But yes, a 6'8" PG with a 6'10" wingspan would be ideal defensively haha
I don't think he has the PG instincts and offensive awareness to be a lead guard imo. It's awesome that he's 6'8 with elite athleticism but we should stop trying to shoehorn him into a Ben Simmons/Lebron role. Just let JJ be who he is, a versatile two-way wing who can play spot minutes from 1-4.
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Re: Can Josh Jackson Start at PG? 

Post#28 » by jcsunsfan » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:39 pm

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matt131 wrote:I mean if he dedicated his entire life to training to become a PG, maybe. But I feel like he's a little too loose with his handle and turns the ball over too much (not becasue of his decision making but just because he doesn't have the handles of a point guard). But yes, a 6'8" PG with a 6'10" wingspan would be ideal defensively haha
I don't think he has the PG instincts and offensive awareness to be a lead guard imo. It's awesome that he's 6'8 with elite athleticism but we should stop trying to shoehorn him into a Ben Simmons/Lebron role. Just let JJ be who he is, a versatile two-way wing who can play spot minutes from 1-4.

I think he has the instincts and awareness. His bball IQ is very high. No point in "shoehorning" but there is value in investigating.
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Re: Can Josh Jackson Start at PG? 

Post#29 » by cberry78 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:04 am


I posted the same article in the other JJ thread, about an hour after you did. :lol:
cberry78 wrote:http://www2.kusports.com/news/2017/jan/04/tom-keegan-no-reason-point-guard-not-josh-jacksons/

Sharing this again, it's not the first time the idea has been brought up. The article, written after his freshman year, states that '"my decision-making and my IQ," as his biggest areas of improvement since the beginning of the season.' And the eye test says that those 2 things also increased in the second half of his rookie season. If he can continue to improve those areas, along with tightening up his ball handling, there's no reason he can't be a primary ball handler (or co-primary ball handler with Booker).

Probably never a true PG, but being an option (1A or 1B or 1C) to run the offense through him is definitely not out of the realm of possibilities.
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Re: Can Josh Jackson Start at PG? 

Post#30 » by oddity » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:12 am

Josh Jackson is a hybrid 2/3 of the future. He has all the size and speed to play and keep up with both positions. He plays this curl-heavy game that looks like Marion when he's playing off the ball, but interestingly to me, looks a bit like Joe Johnson in pick and roll possessions. He has the speed, size, moves, instincts to be a great scorer and passer out of the pick and roll on the wings; all he needs is a jumpshot and a few kill moves. He flashes a nice stepback from time to time... that might do.
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Re: Can Josh Jackson Start at PG? 

Post#31 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:14 am

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matt131 wrote:I mean if he dedicated his entire life to training to become a PG, maybe. But I feel like he's a little too loose with his handle and turns the ball over too much (not becasue of his decision making but just because he doesn't have the handles of a point guard). But yes, a 6'8" PG with a 6'10" wingspan would be ideal defensively haha
I don't think he has the PG instincts and offensive awareness to be a lead guard imo. It's awesome that he's 6'8 with elite athleticism but we should stop trying to shoehorn him into a Ben Simmons/Lebron role. Just let JJ be who he is, a versatile two-way wing who can play spot minutes from 1-4.

I think he has the instincts and awareness. His bball IQ is very high. No point in "shoehorning" but there is value in investigating.

He has instincts and awareness but not at the level of a starting lead guard/primary ball handler imo. It's excellent for his natural position which is a wing. I'm not against playing him at the 1 in situations and I think there's value in giving him experience there to allow him to see the game from a different perspective.
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Re: Can Josh Jackson Start at PG? 

Post#32 » by TOO » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:32 am

Good passer for a wing, solid feel, just like Booker, but neither will ever or should be considered a PG. Foolish. With that being said, we need less of a floor general type if both keep developing their PG skills. A guy like Okobo could be ideal in the long run with his ability to shoot and score.
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Post#33 » by oddity » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:36 am

TOO wrote:Good passer for a wing, solid feel, just like Booker, but neither will ever or should be considered a PG. Foolish. With that being said, we need less of a floor general type if both keep developing their PG skills. A guy like Okobo could be ideal in the long run with his ability to shoot and score.

If Okobo comes along it gives us 3 very solid pick and roll handlers... next to a possibly legendary pick and roll big man.
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Re: Can Josh Jackson Start at PG? 

Post#34 » by thamadkant » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:33 am

On the Tatum vs Jackson comparison

I recall mentioning Jackson has the LeBron type game as in he likes to make plays as he goes dynamic type game. While Tatum is more of a isolate and create a shot from a one on one situation.

And I stand by that just by watching both closely.

Jackson likes to dish off and make plays as he is slashing or while dribbling ... Iguadala is really a floor type comparison for him. His confidence in taking on defenders and shooting is beyond Iguadala good and bad... Because he hurts his percentage but once he starts picking his shots and the quality of looks go up as Suns now have multiple weapons... He can be very dangerous as an offensive player against the defense
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Re: Can Josh Jackson Start at PG? 

Post#35 » by eitanr » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:52 pm

TOO wrote:
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Oh heavens no.

16 in this draft is still a solid player, not giving that up for a career back up.

Sato put up really good #s when starting for John Wall. To dismiss him as a career back up is silly considering many of the guys being discussed like Smart, FVV, McConnell etc have all been backups for all of their NBA careers thus far.


You said move 16 for Satoransky, who literally has been a career back up. I didnt dismiss him, you made a suggestion, and I told you why I wouldnt do it. You would've given up the chance to obtain Mikal Bridges for Tomas **** Satoransky. GROSSSSS.


I would have kept the 2021 Heat 1st as well ;).

I was gauging value and obv would have done a lesser deal for Tomas, which can still be accomplished. It's a safer stop gap for Phoenix.
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Re: Can Josh Jackson Start at PG? 

Post#36 » by Fo-Real » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:44 pm

I am looking forward to seeing if he can show pg skills in practice and summer league. I am not in the habit of saying someone cant do something until they have been given a couple chances to prove so.
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Post#37 » by JMac1 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:22 pm

Fo-Real wrote:I am looking forward to seeing if he can show pg skills in practice and summer league. I am not in the habit of saying someone cant do something until they have been given a couple chances to prove so.


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Re: Can Josh Jackson Start at PG? 

Post#38 » by Joe Pong » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:29 pm

Josh Jackson shouldn’t be starting anywhere unless he learns to shoot. Until then, he’s a decent 6th man.
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Post#39 » by thamadkant » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:35 pm

Joe Pong wrote:Josh Jackson shouldn’t be starting anywhere unless he learns to shoot. Until then, he’s a decent 6th man.


Lol

He's going to be starting. You need a slasher who does everything else apart from jacking shots. What is this? 3Pt contest
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Re: Josh Jackson plans to play some PG in the future 

Post#40 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:52 am

Saberestar wrote:
Revived wrote:
He is also focused on his ball-handling, as he plans on playing some point guard moving forward.

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/on-the-rise-josh-jackson/

Interesting tidbit there...

I would love to watch him playing PG. He just needs to improve his ball handling and slow down his game.

He has that PG mentality in him...he wants to create for others and himself and he can be more effective at that position because he is not a good shooter.


I've often thought it would be really ideal if he could play PG if he was going to be on the floor because of his inability to shoot. In many ways he reminds me of a SF version of Westbrook.

He's great at attacking...or rather, I think he can be great at it, despite how horrible he was to start the year going to the rim with a few defenders there and just throwing it up.

But there is just so much work to do. For one, if you attack the rim a lot, you need to hit your free throws, and he shoots 63% from the line. He really needs to at least get that up to 70-75.

Then he turned it over more than he assisted it, so he would need to hopefully at least get to a 2-1 ast/to ratio.

It's really going to be interesting to see how much he improves. I love his confidence and self awareness though. That's what makes him my favorite player
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