2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III

[Dr Manute]

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Remember also, with no power comes no responsibility.

[SunsRback4Good]

Remember with great power comes great responsibility.

Remember also, with no power comes no responsibility.

You’re wise beyond your years mate.

[BobbieL]

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Yeah, I no longer see Avdija as a viable trade target. He just dropped 30 points against the Bucks and the Blazers have currently won 5 of their last 6 games. I don't think Thybulle is much of a difference maker at this point in his career either.
Robert Williams would be a nice addition, more than Duop Reath. Patrick Williams I would take as a last resort, but Suns would have to be getting a pick swap in their favor in order to take back his lengthy contract. Larry Nance Jr is seemingly always injured, otherwise I wouldn't mind him as a backup. Cody Martin would be a solid rotational player off the bench, but I think we need another viable big. I don't even know who Sandro is and I can't pronounce his last name.

Pwill -- the Suns would have to get draft compensation and even that - not worth it
Nance is an expiring contract at $11m so why would the Hawks do that deal

The rest - to me - maybe lateral moves or a slight improvement

And this is where the Suns are - trades are basically "ehh,a trade" and not something that can improve the team. And is it really worth it to include a future draft pick, especially a First for many of these players.

[SunsRback4Good]

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[SunsRback4Good]

10 more days until the trade deadline. I feel like Nurkic and Allen will be the two Suns players traded. We’ll see where we go in the playoffs with Richards and a few newly acquired players. Don’t think Butler is coming here anymore which is good news!

[sunskerr]

Yeah I'd much prefer Robert Williams to Reath. Adds a serious lob threat at the 5.

Rui...well if we're trading Nurkic that's fine. I don't like Rui very much as a player. Sure as hell beats patrick Williams though. Can occasionally play small ball 5 and like at least stand at the perimeter when doing that, which is an interesting ripple that Robert Williams cannot do. Another lob threat.

Any way to get Lonzo Ball? He's a $20m expiring but his advanced metrics look good lol. But I haven't followed the bulls this year so it could be noise. But afaict he's the best pg on that team. Adds a passing threat who doesn't need to shoot.

Maybe some way to split up the picks into Williams/Lonzo/Rui without moving Allen. Brings us good size off the bench. Maybe some of these guys you might not even need to trade a pick.

Also makes us even more of a hospital ward but hey beggars can't be choosers. You have to admit it'd be kind of amusing if all of Booker/KD/Beal/Williams/Lonzo went down. As Plankton would say...in a cosmic sort of way.

[Saberestar]

There’s a potential three-team trade framework that could send Jimmy Butler to Golden State, Andrew Wiggins to Toronto, and Bruce Brown to Miami, per @HPbasketball

“One framework two sources described as Golden State’s ‘hope’ involved Andrew Wiggins going out in the deal, either directly to Toronto or rerouted to Toronto from Miami for Brown. If Wiggins does not sound like the ‘significant piece’ Stein reported on to you, well, he’s not. But what he is a contract they can package with other things.”

https://hardwoodparoxysm.substack.com/p/nba-trade-deadline-intel-and-analysis

[dremill24]

Yeah I'd much prefer Robert Williams to Reath. Adds a serious lob threat at the 5.

Rui...well if we're trading Nurkic that's fine. I don't like Rui very much as a player. Sure as hell beats patrick Williams though. Can occasionally play small ball 5 and like at least stand at the perimeter when doing that, which is an interesting ripple that Robert Williams cannot do. Another lob threat.

Any way to get Lonzo Ball? He's a $20m expiring but his advanced metrics look good lol. But I haven't followed the bulls this year so it could be noise. But afaict he's the best pg on that team. Adds a passing threat who doesn't need to shoot.

Maybe some way to split up the picks into Williams/Lonzo/Rui without moving Allen. Brings us good size off the bench. Maybe some of these guys you might not even need to trade a pick.

Also makes us even more of a hospital ward but hey beggars can't be choosers. You have to admit it'd be kind of amusing if all of Booker/KD/Beal/Williams/Lonzo went down. As Plankton would say...in a cosmic sort of way.

Can't see how you're getting all that done without moving Allen. Also, Ball makes too much money to be in a deal for Nurkic or Allen so the only way he happens is in a trade for Beal (so y'know...nope lol)

I do think there's a world where RWIII and Rui could come in using Nurkic, Allen, pick(s).

[sunskerr]

Yeah I'd much prefer Robert Williams to Reath. Adds a serious lob threat at the 5.

Rui...well if we're trading Nurkic that's fine. I don't like Rui very much as a player. Sure as hell beats patrick Williams though. Can occasionally play small ball 5 and like at least stand at the perimeter when doing that, which is an interesting ripple that Robert Williams cannot do. Another lob threat.

Any way to get Lonzo Ball? He's a $20m expiring but his advanced metrics look good lol. But I haven't followed the bulls this year so it could be noise. But afaict he's the best pg on that team. Adds a passing threat who doesn't need to shoot.

Maybe some way to split up the picks into Williams/Lonzo/Rui without moving Allen. Brings us good size off the bench. Maybe some of these guys you might not even need to trade a pick.

Also makes us even more of a hospital ward but hey beggars can't be choosers. You have to admit it'd be kind of amusing if all of Booker/KD/Beal/Williams/Lonzo went down. As Plankton would say...in a cosmic sort of way.

Can't see how you're getting all that done without moving Allen. Also, Ball makes too much money to be in a deal for Nurkic or Allen so the only way he happens is in a trade for Beal (so y'know...nope lol)

I do think there's a world where RWIII and Rui could come in using Nurkic, Allen, pick(s).

Trading Allen is a big mistake imo he is really good. Best player of RWIII/Rui/Allen. Rui is not in the same plane of existence as Allen either. Honestly would prefer RWIII and keep Allen instead of Rui, then look elsewhere, if at all possible.

I can see RWIII overtaking Allen as a player on a real team that isn't coached by Billups though.

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[KdoubleDees23]

There’s a potential three-team trade framework that could send Jimmy Butler to Golden State, Andrew Wiggins to Toronto, and Bruce Brown to Miami, per @HPbasketball

“One framework two sources described as Golden State’s ‘hope’ involved Andrew Wiggins going out in the deal, either directly to Toronto or rerouted to Toronto from Miami for Brown. If Wiggins does not sound like the ‘significant piece’ Stein reported on to you, well, he’s not. But what he is a contract they can package with other things.”

https://hardwoodparoxysm.substack.com/p/nba-trade-deadline-intel-and-analysis

Can we go in there and get Andrew Wiggins lol. I wouldn't mind him on our team!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[dremill24]

Yeah I'd much prefer Robert Williams to Reath. Adds a serious lob threat at the 5.

Rui...well if we're trading Nurkic that's fine. I don't like Rui very much as a player. Sure as hell beats patrick Williams though. Can occasionally play small ball 5 and like at least stand at the perimeter when doing that, which is an interesting ripple that Robert Williams cannot do. Another lob threat.

Any way to get Lonzo Ball? He's a $20m expiring but his advanced metrics look good lol. But I haven't followed the bulls this year so it could be noise. But afaict he's the best pg on that team. Adds a passing threat who doesn't need to shoot.

Maybe some way to split up the picks into Williams/Lonzo/Rui without moving Allen. Brings us good size off the bench. Maybe some of these guys you might not even need to trade a pick.

Also makes us even more of a hospital ward but hey beggars can't be choosers. You have to admit it'd be kind of amusing if all of Booker/KD/Beal/Williams/Lonzo went down. As Plankton would say...in a cosmic sort of way.

Can't see how you're getting all that done without moving Allen. Also, Ball makes too much money to be in a deal for Nurkic or Allen so the only way he happens is in a trade for Beal (so y'know...nope lol)

I do think there's a world where RWIII and Rui could come in using Nurkic, Allen, pick(s).

Trading Allen is a big mistake imo he is really good. Best player of RWIII/Rui/Allen. Rui is not in the same plane of existence as Allen either. Honestly would prefer RWIII and keep Allen instead of Rui, then look elsewhere, if at all possible.

I can see RWIII overtaking Allen as a player on a real team that isn't coached by Billups though.

A healthy Robert Williams is a game-changing defender (and he shows some sneaky passing chops here & there), which would be even more valuable on this team. He just never seems to get there, and even when he is "healthy," he might just have to be a 15-20mpg guy ala Jonathan Isaac at this point.

You might be able to get a Nurkic/RWIII deal done, but it might end up costing extra draft capital? Maybe that's ok if you can snag a 2nd or two in return?

[TeamTragic]

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I think we have a winner from the Heat perspective!

[BobbieL]

There’s a potential three-team trade framework that could send Jimmy Butler to Golden State, Andrew Wiggins to Toronto, and Bruce Brown to Miami, per @HPbasketball

“One framework two sources described as Golden State’s ‘hope’ involved Andrew Wiggins going out in the deal, either directly to Toronto or rerouted to Toronto from Miami for Brown. If Wiggins does not sound like the ‘significant piece’ Stein reported on to you, well, he’s not. But what he is a contract they can package with other things.”

https://hardwoodparoxysm.substack.com/p/nba-trade-deadline-intel-and-analysis

great deal for all parties involved
just get it done today!

[BobbieL]

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I think we have a winner from the Heat perspective!

Why would the Kings want Beal

Why would the Suns send out three FRPs for Butler

Deal or No Deal Howie!

NO DEAL!!

[Slim Charless]

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I think we have a winner from the Heat perspective!

Why would the Kings want Beal

Why would the Suns send out three FRPs for Butler

Deal or No Deal Howie!

NO DEAL!!

Why is Beal waving his NTC to go play in SAC? Ishbia would do the picks for Butler if he's able to though.