Trade Deadline Countdown....What will we do? What should we do?

[TeamTragic]

I don't know where to start:

A. McD is "friends" with Ainge thus that awesome trade for IT. How is that looking right now? Ainge is nobody's friend. This is a business.
B. "Don't forget that we are still 4.5 games out of that coveted eight seed!" There is encouraging a winning culture (McD) and then there is massive delusion (Sarver)
C. I imagine we are trying to sell high on our vets. Trade deadline is fast approaching and we want a nice haul
D. Sarver needs to focus on the football club he just bought and leave the SUNS to someone who is competent

[AtheJ415]

I'm really unsure on Oubre, and I think that 3 person combo could net us more than just Oubre, who is the only real player of value in that group for a rebuild. If you all think our team is stupid, from what I read about Oubre, he has one of the lowest IQ's ever. When he interviewed with teams at the combine, he did a very poor job answering basketball X's and O's type questions.

I watch Wizards quite a lot because of Gortat. Oubre has potenatial, he's athletic, runs the floor well, seems to hit 3s at decent rate, has potential to be a good defender. It should be noted that he plays alongside one of the best pass-first PGs in the league which may him look better but he's a talented kid.

I don't doubt his physical ability at all. I just doubt his mental makeup. I've never seen somebody get that bad of feedback on the mental part of the game after speaking with teams.

It also doesn't help in my book that he is very open about developing "Kobe's mentality". I just laugh at how much the posters here would hate this dude based on the scouting report.

"Raw athlete who has a very low basketball IQ and wants to play like Kobe."

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm really unsure on Oubre, and I think that 3 person combo could net us more than just Oubre, who is the only real player of value in that group for a rebuild. If you all think our team is stupid, from what I read about Oubre, he has one of the lowest IQ's ever. When he interviewed with teams at the combine, he did a very poor job answering basketball X's and O's type questions.

I watch Wizards quite a lot because of Gortat. Oubre has potenatial, he's athletic, runs the floor well, seems to hit 3s at decent rate, has potential to be a good defender. It should be noted that he plays alongside one of the best pass-first PGs in the league which may him look better but he's a talented kid.

I don't doubt his physical ability at all. I just doubt his mental makeup. I've never seen somebody get that bad of feedback on the mental part of the game after speaking with teams.

It also doesn't help in my book that he is very open about developing "Kobe's mentality". I just laugh at how much the posters here would hate this dude based on the scouting report.

"Raw athlete who has a very low basketball IQ and wants to play like Kobe."

Whoa! FWIW, I don't think you could pry Oubre from their hands. Same thing goes for Portis. No one gives up first rounders that pay off... unless there are two all-stars on the depth chart in front of him (see Nash, Steve).

[m1chal]

Whoa! FWIW, I don't think you could pry Oubre from their hands. Same thing goes for Portis. No one gives up first rounders that pay off... unless there are two all-stars on the depth chart in front of him (see Nash, Steve).

Wizards' masterplan is to get Durant in the summer so if they succeed Oubre will have KD and Porter in front of him

[AtheJ415]

I don't know where to start:

A. McD is "friends" with Ainge thus that awesome trade for IT. How is that looking right now? Ainge is nobody's friend. This is a business.
B. "Don't forget that we are still 4.5 games out of that coveted eight seed!" There is encouraging a winning culture (McD) and then there is massive delusion (Sarver)
C. I imagine we are trying to sell high on our vets. Trade deadline is fast approaching and we want a nice haul
D. Sarver needs to focus on the football club he just bought and leave the SUNS to someone who is competent

I still think IT for a 1st was a good move. Bledsoe is better, and IT was already unhappy not starting. You could argue we could've gotten more for him, but we were already his highest offer in FA despite him playing every bit as well in Sac as he did in Phoenix. So what that means is that no other team valued him at $7 million a year enough to offer him $8 or $9 million. He played as well, and we ended up with a 1st for him. I'm not sure some team was going to be out there offering more than that for IT. His height and reputation as a ball stopper was a large impediment to many teams, and fans have always liked him more than front offices. If the FO's valued him based on his numbers alone, he never signs with Phoenix because he's getting a near mini max from somebody.

All of that to say, if you made Isaiah available right now, I don't think many teams are offering much more. Maybe they throw in a 2nd or give a higher 1st, but I don't see him getting multiple firsts. His height and reputation mean he's not going to be valued in the way his numbers suggest. I think that's wrong, but his FA alone proves that. He was really good in Sac.

[letsgosuns]

The Suns overvalue their own players so much it is ridiculous. In reality, their veterans (and I consider Bledsoe and Knight veterans), are not worth much. Bledsoe probably has no value because of his injuries. Knight's value is not high because his contract is so huge. Markieff has basically no value because of his situation and his pending felony assault charge. Tucker is worth maybe a second round pick. Chandler is the most valuable regardless of his contract because big men are always overpaid and he could be the missing link to a contender that needs a defensive presence in the middle. Overall, the Suns opening night starting lineup is practically worthless now.

[WeekapaugGroove]

So will mcd wake up tomorrow check the standings and say "hey we lost to the wolves by 30 but you know what we're only 5.5 games back we really need to debate what direction were going this season." Lol gtfo

[AtheJ415]

So will mcd wake up tomorrow check the standings and say "hey we lost to the wolves by 30 but you know what we're only 5.5 games back we really need to debate what direction were going this season." Lol gtfo

If asked on the radio, probably. But I really don't think he's ever believed that. He's the GM though, he can't really go on the radio and say, "We suck. Our vets are garbage, our coach has lost the team, and if not for our 19 year old shooting guard I'd turn off the tv for the rest of the season. Our best move going forward is to lose as much as possible and pray we win the lottery." Season ticket holders and the owner are people he directly and indirectly reports to. You have to take what he says in public with a grain of salt. Plus, it hurts his leverage to an extent to publicize that he's willing to fire-sale our vets.

[AtheJ415]

Anybody know what Whiteside's max is for next year? I know we have almost no chance at him, but just trying to figure out if he's worth that number. Is he a vet max guy or a mini max guy? I can't figure it out since he was a d-league guy without the usual rookie contract.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I could see a potential deal with Boston happening centered around Lee's expiring for chandler. Maybe something like chandler and keif for Lee and some other piece like young, sullinger, or olinik

[Damkac]

The Suns overvalue their own players so much it is ridiculous. In reality, their veterans (and I consider Bledsoe and Knight veterans), are not worth much. Bledsoe probably has no value because of his injuries. Knight's value is not high because his contract is so huge. Markieff has basically no value because of his situation and his pending felony assault charge. Tucker is worth maybe a second round pick. Chandler is the most valuable regardless of his contract because big men are always overpaid and he could be the missing link to a contender that needs a defensive presence in the middle. Overall, the Suns opening night starting lineup is practically worthless now.

Ridiculous is saying that Bledsoe has no value. He was top 5 pg at least earlier in the season. He didn't get his leg cut!
Sadly you may be right about Kieff. He just killed all his trade value.
Knight contract will soon stop looking huge when cap will go up and players contracts will go crazy.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Draft the next guy who will get MVP votes.

That single event is more important than every other decision up until then.

That is the difference between GS, Spurs, Cleveland, OKC, Clippers, Chicago and us.

Moving around players not good enough to be 1 2 3 on championship team accomplishes basically nothing.

[Damkac]

True.
Unfortunately you need a lot of luck to draft that guy. And if there is anything Suns lack it's luck

[thamadkant]

Just read the General Board thread about Ish Smith's positive impact to Okafor and Noel.

And I feel the same way with Suns.

A passing PG or a PG that doesnt jack shots from 15-20 feet in the first 3-4 seconds of the shot clock is what the SUNS need.
Watch Chandler and everyone else improve dramatically.

[thamadkant]

I'd trade Knight to Nuggets for Mudiay (7 assists per 36) OR Schroeder.

Then Bledsoe to Bulls for Portis and 2 future firsts.

Draft a PF... Simmons!!

C: Len/Portis
PF: Simmons/Portis
SF: Warren/Bogdanovic
SG: Booker/Goodwin
PG: Schroeder/Goodwin

[Mulhollanddrive]

Teams in the way of us finishing 3rd last are a team with no incentive to tank and a team that beat us by 30 points.

We'd have about a 16% chance at 1st pick, 31% at top 2 and 47% at top 3.

I don't think there's 3 franchise changers in this draft, so we're basically a roll of the dice for Simmons if we can play out the season for the long term benefit.

To me there's no better plan to get a future star player, it's just about how every championship team starts.

All of the other stuff is good for rosterbation, but ultimately makes little difference.

[BobbieL]

McD needs to quit looking at the standings and get back to life - back to reality

Make a damn trade

[thamadkant]

Teams in the way of us finishing 3rd last are a team with no incentive to tank and a team that beat us by 30 points.

We'd have about a 16% chance at 1st pick, 31% at top 2 and 47% at top 3.

I don't think there's 3 franchise changers in this draft, so we're basically a roll of the dice for Simmons if we can play out the season for the long term benefit.

To me there's no better plan to get a future star player, it's just about how every championship team starts.

All of the other stuff is good for rosterbation, but ultimately makes little difference.

Have to out tank the Lakers. But since they are the Lakers they will get their top pick this coming draft... Russell/Simmons/Randle core.

[i505]

Anybody know what Whiteside's max is for next year? I know we have almost no chance at him, but just trying to figure out if he's worth that number. Is he a vet max guy or a mini max guy? I can't figure it out since he was a d-league guy without the usual rookie contract.

Pretty sure his estimated max this summer with the cap raise is around 19m.

[Mulhollanddrive]

We're now 3.5 games clear of 7th worst.

That puts us highly likely in the 3-6 range.