Trade Deadline Countdown....What will we do? What should we do?

[Jdiddy701]

Every morning I wake up hoping to see Kieff traded ... disappointed yet again

Every afternoon I come across this post and it never fails to make me laugh.

Same here haha I laugh every time.


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[Frank Lee]

You guys just keep feeding each other false hope. Y'all pretend to justify Cleve's needs when the truth is you are grasping for any beneficial swap of our own cast offs. Take your trade idea over to the big board and submit it, then wear them out with your 'Pee aitch ex hometown logic' .... at least go over there and read a few pages.

IMO, the only potion that gets Love to Phnx involves a healthy Bledsoe.... and that smoke went up the chimney

[MrMiyagi]

You guys just keep feeding each other false hope. Y'all pretend to justify Cleve's needs when the truth is you are grasping for any beneficial swap of our own cast offs. Take your trade idea over to the big board and submit it, then wear them out with your 'Pee aitch ex hometown logic' .... at least go over there and read a few pages.

IMO, the only potion that gets Love to Phnx involves a healthy Bledsoe.... and that smoke went up the chimney

It's not hometown logic, or false hope, it's 100% confirmed T R U T H!!!!!

Seriously though, at this point, I think we just have the guys we've got. I don't think a trade is feasible before the deadline. I just don't see the dance partner or the reason for making a move. People want to get rid of Knight too soon. Kieff hasn't played well this season, I'm not sure who would want him. He's still on a reasonable deal, so it's not the end of the world if he's still on the roster come deadline. This is the bottom-out season people have wanted since last season and we're playing the youngsters for larger periods of time. Hopefully we get some lottery luck and get healthy for a good run next year. Until then, sit down and enjoy the Booker/Goodwin/Len/Warren show or watch some college hoops and make ridiculous draft scenarios instead of trades.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Is Kevin Love the answer long term?

With Booker, Warren and Love as potentially our best players, there's not much defense there.

[thamadkant]

Is Kevin Love the answer long term?

With Booker, Warren and Love as potentially our best players, there's not much defense there.

No. Not if you want to win a ring.


Suns need long versatile defenders.

I really like Warren.. But he isnt a shut down defender to offset Love. We all know Booker also struggles defensively.
With Love... You have 3 potential players that the good teams will exploit.... Thats just way too much.


Love needs a Ron Artest/Kawhi Leonard level SF defender to neutralize the issue.


I like Love.. But you need to a potential DPOY player at C and at SF to make it work.

[Kerrsed]

:P

Is Kevin Love the answer long term?

With Booker, Warren and Love as potentially our best players, there's not much defense there.

No. Not if you want to win a ring.


Suns need long versatile defenders.

I really like Warren.. But he isnt a shut down defender to offset Love. We all know Booker also struggles defensively.
With Love... You have 3 potential players that the good teams will exploit.... Thats just way too much.


Love needs a Ron Artest/Kawhi Leonard level SF defender to neutralize the issue.


I like Love.. But you need to a potential DPOY player at C and at SF to make it work.

I agree. A good defensive SF is exactly the solution, and perfect to guard the teams best player, whether he is a SG/SF/PF. A defensive SF can usually cover all three of those positions, rather than just a PF/C like a defensive PF can or PG/SG like a good defensive SG can.

In my eyes, for the perfect team you want a PG with decent defense (Bledsoe), an excellent shooting/scoring SG thats focused on offense (Booker), a great defensive SF (??????), a scoring in the paint and REBOUNDING PF (Warren?/Simmons?), and a defensive/rebounding C (Len?).

Now i think we definitely have 2 of those spots filled (Bledsoe/Booker). I would like to see Warren play some more PF and see if he can handle it, as being a bit undersized he can use his speed/sneakiness to steal rebounds away, and he seems rather comfortable in the paint with his vast array of floaters. As for Len......... i just wish he would try to spend some more time learning to rebound and defend. I thought Chandler could have helped him with that, and was the reason i was excited we got Chandler, as who better to teach him than a former defensive player of the year? Unfortunately i dont think that has necessarily happened. I want to see Len become a little more like Addams in OKC. Develop a mean streak.

As for that defensive SF, its hard. Middleton would have been perfect, but the Bucks just inked him to that fat contract this year. Milsap has been an outstanding defensive SF, but i dont see Atlanta looking to move him quite yet. Crowder is a pretty good defender, but he is waaaaaaaay too undersized (6'6) to guard PF's. One guy that i think we could definitely make a move for is James Johnson. He was an excellent defender during his stints in Chicago/Memphis, where he became known as a lock-down defender coming off the bench. He is the same age as Bledsoe and can be obtained for cheap (he's on an expiring contract). Trade Morris to Toronto for Johnson/Biyombo/1st (Toronto was reportedly looking for a usable "difference maker" player in return for one of their many 1st round picks). It gives us the rest of the season to take a good look at what Johnson can do and see at what price we would like to re-sign him at. Biyombo gives us a back-up C for if/when Len or Chandler get hurt (which one of them most certainly will).

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2015/01/11/james-johnson-has-been-a-great-addition-to-the-toronto-raptors/

http://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2013/12/30/5252768/Memphis-grizzlies-in-depth-look-at-james-johnson-kickboxing-MMA-athlete

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/they-call-him-bloodsport-james-johnson-kicks-his-way-into-the-nba/

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/236003/How-James-Johnson-Resurrected-His-NBA-Career-Choosing-D-League-Instead-Of-Overseas

To me i see a younger/more defensive version of PJ Tucker.

[TASTIC]

I love me some James Johnson. That nickname Bloodsport is enough on it's own!

[carey]

Every morning I wake up hoping to see Kieff traded ... disappointed yet again

Every afternoon I come across this post and it never fails to make me laugh.

Same here haha I laugh every time.


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We have someone on our board that does the same thing every day. Wonder if it is the same person....hmmm.

[bwgood77]

You guys just keep feeding each other false hope. Y'all pretend to justify Cleve's needs when the truth is you are grasping for any beneficial swap of our own cast offs. Take your trade idea over to the big board and submit it, then wear them out with your 'Pee aitch ex hometown logic' .... at least go over there and read a few pages.

IMO, the only potion that gets Love to Phnx involves a healthy Bledsoe.... and that smoke went up the chimney

I enjoy false hope much more than no hope.

[NavLDO]

:P

Is Kevin Love the answer long term?

With Booker, Warren and Love as potentially our best players, there's not much defense there.

No. Not if you want to win a ring.


Suns need long versatile defenders.

I really like Warren.. But he isnt a shut down defender to offset Love. We all know Booker also struggles defensively.
With Love... You have 3 potential players that the good teams will exploit.... Thats just way too much.


Love needs a Ron Artest/Kawhi Leonard level SF defender to neutralize the issue.


I like Love.. But you need to a potential DPOY player at C and at SF to make it work.

I agree. A good defensive SF is exactly the solution, and perfect to guard the teams best player, whether he is a SG/SF/PF. A defensive SF can usually cover all three of those positions, rather than just a PF/C like a defensive PF can or PG/SG like a good defensive SG can.

In my eyes, for the perfect team you want a PG with decent defense (Bledsoe), an excellent shooting/scoring SG thats focused on offense (Booker), a great defensive SF (??????), a scoring in the paint and REBOUNDING PF (Warren?/Simmons?), and a defensive/rebounding C (Len?).

Now i think we definitely have 2 of those spots filled (Bledsoe/Booker). I would like to see Warren play some more PF and see if he can handle it, as being a bit undersized he can use his speed/sneakiness to steal rebounds away, and he seems rather comfortable in the paint with his vast array of floaters. As for Len......... i just wish he would try to spend some more time learning to rebound and defend. I thought Chandler could have helped him with that, and was the reason i was excited we got Chandler, as who better to teach him than a former defensive player of the year? Unfortunately i dont think that has necessarily happened. I want to see Len become a little more like Addams in OKC. Develop a mean streak.

As for that defensive SF, its hard. Middleton would have been perfect, but the Bucks just inked him to that fat contract this year. Milsap has been an outstanding defensive SF, but i dont see Atlanta looking to move him quite yet. Crowder is a pretty good defender, but he is waaaaaaaay too undersized (6'6) to guard PF's. One guy that i think we could definitely make a move for is James Johnson. He was an excellent defender during his stints in Chicago/Memphis, where he became known as a lock-down defender coming off the bench. He is the same age as Bledsoe and can be obtained for cheap (he's on an expiring contract). Trade Morris to Toronto for Johnson/Biyombo/1st (Toronto was reportedly looking for a usable "difference maker" player in return for one of their many 1st round picks). It gives us the rest of the season to take a good look at what Johnson can do and see at what price we would like to re-sign him at. Biyombo gives us a back-up C for if/when Len or Chandler get hurt (which one of them most certainly will).

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2015/01/11/james-johnson-has-been-a-great-addition-to-the-toronto-raptors/

http://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2013/12/30/5252768/Memphis-grizzlies-in-depth-look-at-james-johnson-kickboxing-MMA-athlete

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/they-call-him-bloodsport-james-johnson-kicks-his-way-into-the-nba/

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/236003/How-James-Johnson-Resurrected-His-NBA-Career-Choosing-D-League-Instead-Of-Overseas

To me i see a younger/more defensive version of PJ Tucker.

Why on green earth would Toronto give up that pkg for Kieff? Kieff has been straight trash this season, has legal issues, and is starting to be known as a locker room cancer. I don't think Toronto had a .382 FG%, .298 3PT%, .410 eFG% in mind when they thought of a difference maker.

This isn't necessarily aimed at you, Kerrsed, but I think we need to get it into our head that Kieff is not a positive value right now. We are all trying to sell '12-'14 Kieff, but in reality, we have '15-'16 Kieff, as shown above. So not only has Kieff's game regressed, he's caused issues in the locker room, albeit not anything over the top, mind you, but he can't be considered a 'good' teammate, either. Then there is still the assault charge hanging over his head, which even though personally, I don't feel will be a deal breaker, but when putting all this together, and assuming you were a GM, would you trade positive assets for Kieff right now? On the 'hope' he returns to form, the 'hope' he doesn't miss time due to legal issues, and 'hope' that the FO doesn't 'upset' him again, causing him to act like a baby when things don't go his way. The ONLY reason he's toned down his attitude is to attempt to be marketable to get off this team.

So, with all that, why would Toronto trade 3 positive assets for one borderline negative asset. I'm not saying that Kieff can't be the best player, or isn't the most talented player, of the three players involved in the trade; what I am saying is there are more questions than answers with Kieff right now. And if I'm Toronto's GM, I'm chuckling as I'm hanging up the phone after McD calls me with that trade offer. At the beginning of last season, we had a talented '6th Man' on a favorable deal. Now? Well, now, we are overpaying for a bottom-half of the league bench PF.

If McD can pull off that trade BEFORE Kieff's case is settled and before he get's back to a .500ish eFG%, then McD is the best 'Used Car' salesman on the planet.

[Fan from Dade]

You all want to blow the whole team apart? You have to ask if the team that started 7-5 is closer to the real Suns team or if the 2-15 is the real Suns team. Its basically been blown up year after year recently. Tinkering may be a better option this go around. Keef is much better then you'll get back for him but he doesn't want to be here so you just get what you can for him. Get someone who can work a bit with his back to the basket. Keep Chandler, he is healthy again and he can play and rebound when he wants to; its just about him wanting to. Get another coach and tighten up the rotations. Draft well and start a new season. Theres talent on the team. Just a tough year.

[kennydorglas]

I'd just offer the kingdom for Nic Batum.
He's the glue this team deeply needs.

[RunDogGun]

I love me some James Johnson. That nickname Bloodsport is enough on it's own!

I've always liked James, ever since we passed him up in the draft and he went to Chi. The guy puts in the work on the court.

[Qwigglez]

Lets say we offer Cleveland Knight/Kieff/Warren + Cleveland 1st for Kevin Love. Do we have any money over the offseason to go after someone like Nic Batum? Or maybe Harrison Barnes? Other than those two guys the market is pretty thin for defensive SF's.

[RunDogGun]

Lets say we offer Cleveland Knight/Kieff/Warren + Cleveland 1st for Kevin Love. Do we have any money over the offseason to go after someone like Nic Batum? Or maybe Harrison Barnes? Other than those two guys the market is pretty thin for defensive SF's.

I'm not willing to give up Warren right now. The kid just needs to work on his defense and rebounding, and he will be a very good starter.

[jcsunsfan]

Lets say we offer Cleveland Knight/Kieff/Warren + Cleveland 1st for Kevin Love. Do we have any money over the offseason to go after someone like Nic Batum? Or maybe Harrison Barnes? Other than those two guys the market is pretty thin for defensive SF's.

No. Not Warren. We have to hang on to our young core. Too many questions about Love at the moment.

[saintEscaton]

Lets say we offer Cleveland Knight/Kieff/Warren + Cleveland 1st for Kevin Love. Do we have any money over the offseason to go after someone like Nic Batum? Or maybe Harrison Barnes? Other than those two guys the market is pretty thin for defensive SF's.

No. Not Warren. We have to hang on to our young core. Too many questions about Love at the moment.

That would probably be the deal breaker.Warren gives them an instaoffense microwave 6th man off the bench. They need another capable SF to play along with Bron when he slides over to the small ball 4

[bwgood77]

Lets say we offer Cleveland Knight/Kieff/Warren + Cleveland 1st for Kevin Love. Do we have any money over the offseason to go after someone like Nic Batum? Or maybe Harrison Barnes? Other than those two guys the market is pretty thin for defensive SF's.

No. Not Warren. We have to hang on to our young core. Too many questions about Love at the moment.

That would probably be the deal breaker.Warren gives them an instaoffense microwave 6th man off the bench. They need another capable SF to play along with Bron when he slides over to the small ball 4

I can't see a team like the Cavs viewing Warren quite that favorably. He would be lost in a series against the Warriors or Spurs (or probably any playoff series to be honest) at this point.

I think they'd prefer guys with a little more nba experience and part of the problem they would be improving by dealing Love would be improving their defense.

[Damkac]

Spoiler:

:P

Is Kevin Love the answer long term?

With Booker, Warren and Love as potentially our best players, there's not much defense there.

No. Not if you want to win a ring.


Suns need long versatile defenders.

I really like Warren.. But he isnt a shut down defender to offset Love. We all know Booker also struggles defensively.
With Love... You have 3 potential players that the good teams will exploit.... Thats just way too much.


Love needs a Ron Artest/Kawhi Leonard level SF defender to neutralize the issue.


I like Love.. But you need to a potential DPOY player at C and at SF to make it work.

I agree. A good defensive SF is exactly the solution, and perfect to guard the teams best player, whether he is a SG/SF/PF. A defensive SF can usually cover all three of those positions, rather than just a PF/C like a defensive PF can or PG/SG like a good defensive SG can.

In my eyes, for the perfect team you want a PG with decent defense (Bledsoe), an excellent shooting/scoring SG thats focused on offense (Booker), a great defensive SF (??????), a scoring in the paint and REBOUNDING PF (Warren?/Simmons?), and a defensive/rebounding C (Len?).

Now i think we definitely have 2 of those spots filled (Bledsoe/Booker). I would like to see Warren play some more PF and see if he can handle it, as being a bit undersized he can use his speed/sneakiness to steal rebounds away, and he seems rather comfortable in the paint with his vast array of floaters. As for Len......... i just wish he would try to spend some more time learning to rebound and defend. I thought Chandler could have helped him with that, and was the reason i was excited we got Chandler, as who better to teach him than a former defensive player of the year? Unfortunately i dont think that has necessarily happened. I want to see Len become a little more like Addams in OKC. Develop a mean streak.

As for that defensive SF, its hard. Middleton would have been perfect, but the Bucks just inked him to that fat contract this year. Milsap has been an outstanding defensive SF, but i dont see Atlanta looking to move him quite yet. Crowder is a pretty good defender, but he is waaaaaaaay too undersized (6'6) to guard PF's. One guy that i think we could definitely make a move for is James Johnson. He was an excellent defender during his stints in Chicago/Memphis, where he became known as a lock-down defender coming off the bench. He is the same age as Bledsoe and can be obtained for cheap (he's on an expiring contract). Trade Morris to Toronto for Johnson/Biyombo/1st (Toronto was reportedly looking for a usable "difference maker" player in return for one of their many 1st round picks). It gives us the rest of the season to take a good look at what Johnson can do and see at what price we would like to re-sign him at. Biyombo gives us a back-up C for if/when Len or Chandler get hurt (which one of them most certainly will).

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2015/01/11/james-johnson-has-been-a-great-addition-to-the-toronto-raptors/

http://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2013/12/30/5252768/Memphis-grizzlies-in-depth-look-at-james-johnson-kickboxing-MMA-athlete

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/they-call-him-bloodsport-james-johnson-kicks-his-way-into-the-nba/

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/236003/How-James-Johnson-Resurrected-His-NBA-Career-Choosing-D-League-Instead-Of-Overseas

To me i see a younger/more defensive version of PJ Tucker.

True, a long, athletic, versatile defender is a necessary piece in championship team. There is a reason last 2 FMVP are Iguodala and Leonard.
Signing Batum or Barnes would be great. I wrote once that this would be ideal lineup for next season for me:

Bledsoe/Knight
Booker/Bogdanovic
Batum/Warren
Simmons/Leuer
Chandler/Len

[AtheJ415]

Spoiler:

:P



No. Not if you want to win a ring.


Suns need long versatile defenders.

I really like Warren.. But he isnt a shut down defender to offset Love. We all know Booker also struggles defensively.
With Love... You have 3 potential players that the good teams will exploit.... Thats just way too much.


Love needs a Ron Artest/Kawhi Leonard level SF defender to neutralize the issue.


I like Love.. But you need to a potential DPOY player at C and at SF to make it work.

I agree. A good defensive SF is exactly the solution, and perfect to guard the teams best player, whether he is a SG/SF/PF. A defensive SF can usually cover all three of those positions, rather than just a PF/C like a defensive PF can or PG/SG like a good defensive SG can.

In my eyes, for the perfect team you want a PG with decent defense (Bledsoe), an excellent shooting/scoring SG thats focused on offense (Booker), a great defensive SF (??????), a scoring in the paint and REBOUNDING PF (Warren?/Simmons?), and a defensive/rebounding C (Len?).

Now i think we definitely have 2 of those spots filled (Bledsoe/Booker). I would like to see Warren play some more PF and see if he can handle it, as being a bit undersized he can use his speed/sneakiness to steal rebounds away, and he seems rather comfortable in the paint with his vast array of floaters. As for Len......... i just wish he would try to spend some more time learning to rebound and defend. I thought Chandler could have helped him with that, and was the reason i was excited we got Chandler, as who better to teach him than a former defensive player of the year? Unfortunately i dont think that has necessarily happened. I want to see Len become a little more like Addams in OKC. Develop a mean streak.

As for that defensive SF, its hard. Middleton would have been perfect, but the Bucks just inked him to that fat contract this year. Milsap has been an outstanding defensive SF, but i dont see Atlanta looking to move him quite yet. Crowder is a pretty good defender, but he is waaaaaaaay too undersized (6'6) to guard PF's. One guy that i think we could definitely make a move for is James Johnson. He was an excellent defender during his stints in Chicago/Memphis, where he became known as a lock-down defender coming off the bench. He is the same age as Bledsoe and can be obtained for cheap (he's on an expiring contract). Trade Morris to Toronto for Johnson/Biyombo/1st (Toronto was reportedly looking for a usable "difference maker" player in return for one of their many 1st round picks). It gives us the rest of the season to take a good look at what Johnson can do and see at what price we would like to re-sign him at. Biyombo gives us a back-up C for if/when Len or Chandler get hurt (which one of them most certainly will).

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2015/01/11/james-johnson-has-been-a-great-addition-to-the-toronto-raptors/

http://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2013/12/30/5252768/Memphis-grizzlies-in-depth-look-at-james-johnson-kickboxing-MMA-athlete

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/they-call-him-bloodsport-james-johnson-kicks-his-way-into-the-nba/

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/236003/How-James-Johnson-Resurrected-His-NBA-Career-Choosing-D-League-Instead-Of-Overseas

To me i see a younger/more defensive version of PJ Tucker.

True, a long, athletic, versatile defender is a necessary piece in championship team. There is a reason last 2 FMVP are Iguodala and Leonard.
Signing Batum or Barnes would be great. I wrote once that this would be ideal lineup for next season for me:

Bledsoe/Knight
Booker/Bogdanovic
Batum/Warren
Simmons/Leuer
Chandler/Len

I like Batum's game, but he's older. Also, I think Charlotte will pay whatever it takes to keep him. I'd rather have Barnes for that reason. I think we need to move Tucker and grab a younger wing defender, but would prefer we target somebody in the draft (maybe with our high 2nd round pick) or who is around 24 years old max. Actually Bogdan could be that guy for us if he keeps developing on the defensive end. His wingspan is gynormous and he is fairly quick for his size. What worries me about Barnes is he will get paid a ton even though he's never been anything but a role player to this point in his career, so it's a big risk to pay him like a star.