2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

[bwgood77]

Maybe it is? And then again maybe it isn't? How sound has Detroits' management decisions been as of late anyways? And much stranger and less logical trades have taken place in the last few years. Dudley gives them a smart veteran small forward with a reliable three point shot and reasonable defense. And Tyson gives them a playoff seasoned veteran defensive center with leadership qualities and a championship pedigree. Afterall, They said that they want win now veteran players. Chandler has already won at the highest level,and Dudley has a winners' mentality in excess.


Just curious.............Just what kind of deal do you really expect them(Detroit) to get for the 12th pick Bgood ? And please don't say #12 is fair value for Bledsoe, When he's been putting up near all star type numbers on a contract that is lower than market value would dictate for similar players . Thinking that Bledsoe is only worth only the 12th pick at most seems extremely far fetched to me. And some of those teams might actually want to compete sooner rather than later if possible too. Would acquiring Bledsoe be a step in the wrong direction in that capacity?

I have no idea what Detroit could get for the pick. I find it funny when people keep saying Bledsoe near all start when better guards in the west get left out of the all star game every year. I don't think Lillard or Conley made it.

I am just not trying to be biased. 12th pick actually would probably be higher value than league consensus. If you really want unbiased opinions, post a thread asking what is Bledsoes trade value worth?...you can specify a pick in the draft or whatever...Maybe ...."How high of a pick in the draft is Bledsoe worth?" But for a fair answer, ask here. viewforum.php?f=2

They will probably slightly undervalue him but it should b relatively close.

I'm sorry but fans are HORRIBLE at deciding player value. So are reporters. Just last year fans on real gm including our own posters and even Zach Lowe were convinced Phoenix was going to have to include a first rounder to get rid of Markieff. Others thought all-NBA season Dragic for DMo was fair. I see trade proposals all day that are absolutely heinous from fans in those forums.

And actually Bledsoe is ahead of Conley at the same age. Call it what you want, but I can't remember the last time somebody as productive as Bledsoe was traded for just 1 mid-first rounder when he is on a bargain contract for the next 2 years and is only 27.

I think we should move Bledsoe, but it should be for a package of youngsters or multiple mid-tier picks or at least one premium one.

I knew they were misjudging Markieff's value. Bledsoe might seem better than Conley at the same age given stats, but Conley has a far better bbiq, defensive focus, and smart play in big games. He's probably the most underrated player in the nba, despite his contract.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

The #12 may not be enough for Bledsoe, but given that I'd be willing to take Collins as high as 4, and given that he may slip to #12... I'd be very interested in some kind of deal for that pick. #12, Drummond and Jackson for Bled, Knight and Chandler is even money. Could expand the deal to move Chandler to MIL for Henson to DET, maybe #12, #32 and Jackson for #10 and Wes Matthews to PHX. Could try to do the whole thing without Bled or Drummond. IDK. There are lots of ways to go with this.

[Sunsfan12]

The #12 may not be enough for Bledsoe, but given that I'd be willing to take Collins as high as 4, and given that he may slip to #12... I'd be very interested in some kind of deal for that pick. #12, Drummond and Jackson for Bled, Knight and Chandler is even money. Could expand the deal to move Chandler to MIL for Henson to DET, maybe #12, #32 and Jackson for #10 and Wes Matthews to PHX. Could try to do the whole thing without Bled or Drummond. IDK. There are lots of ways to go with this.

Not bad at all. Chandler could also be flipped to the Blazers with Turner and #15 going to Detroit. They are looking to dump salary. Saves them 6 million and they get a serviceable center in the process.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Sure you would hope to get more than the 12th pick for Bledsoe but you can't look at a trade like this as purely bledsoe is better than that player you have to factor in contract/team control. So essentially with any Bledsoe trade you're dealing 2 years of Bledsoe at a reasonable but still somewhat high contract number and if you're getting the 12 back that player at 12 you have 4 years of cheap rookie contract then you have matching rights in RFA so if you want you have 8-9 years of team control. That matters when judging this type of deal.

I could see this happening if they take Fox or Smith. As much as I like some of the wings in this draft I could understand the Suns thinking this might be their only opportunity to grab a high end PG prospect so they go that route. PG is so important how the modern NBA runs and to how the Suns want to play I would totally understand if they felt they needed to try to get their long term star at that position.

[Waylay13]

Sure you would hope to get more than the 12th pick for Bledsoe but you can't look at a trade like this as purely bledsoe is better than that player you have to factor in contract/team control. So essentially with any Bledsoe trade you're dealing 2 years of Bledsoe at a reasonable but still somewhat high contract number and if you're getting the 12 back that player at 12 you have 4 years of cheap rookie contract then you have matching rights in RFA so if you want you have 8-9 years of team control. That matters when judging this type of deal.

I could see this happening if they take Fox or Smith. As much as I like some of the wings in this draft I could understand the Suns thinking this might be their only opportunity to grab a high end PG prospect so they go that route. PG is so important how the modern NBA runs and to how the Suns want to play I would totally understand if they felt they needed to try to get their long term star at that position.

The Problem with this way of thinking is that there is no player that you are going to get at #12 that will come close to production of Bledsoe even in 3 years. Top this off if we take that big of step back to go with player at #4 like Fox you are still not going to get good production out of him for a couple years till he gets his weight up to around 200 lbs that he will need to take the contact that his game is based on. Smith might be able to start sooner but his attitude, drive and focus is still the major questions outside of his injury history. If he doesnt learn to be a point guard (i.e. passing the ball more) he is nothing more then another Brandon Knight and personally I am not in favor or spending a lottery pick on another brandon knight.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Maybe it is? And then again maybe it isn't? How sound has Detroits' management decisions been as of late anyways? And much stranger and less logical trades have taken place in the last few years. Dudley gives them a smart veteran small forward with a reliable three point shot and reasonable defense. And Tyson gives them a playoff seasoned veteran defensive center with leadership qualities and a championship pedigree. Afterall, They said that they want win now veteran players. Chandler has already won at the highest level,and Dudley has a winners' mentality in excess.


Just curious.............Just what kind of deal do you really expect them(Detroit) to get for the 12th pick Bgood ? And please don't say #12 is fair value for Bledsoe, When he's been putting up near all star type numbers on a contract that is lower than market value would dictate for similar players . Thinking that Bledsoe is only worth only the 12th pick at most seems extremely far fetched to me. And some of those teams might actually want to compete sooner rather than later if possible too. Would acquiring Bledsoe be a step in the wrong direction in that capacity?

I have no idea what Detroit could get for the pick. I find it funny when people keep saying Bledsoe near all start when better guards in the west get left out of the all star game every year. I don't think Lillard or Conley made it.

I am just not trying to be biased. 12th pick actually would probably be higher value than league consensus. If you really want unbiased opinions, post a thread asking what is Bledsoes trade value worth?...you can specify a pick in the draft or whatever...Maybe ...."How high of a pick in the draft is Bledsoe worth?" But for a fair answer, ask here. viewforum.php?f=2

They will probably slightly undervalue him but it should b relatively close.

I'm sorry but fans are HORRIBLE at deciding player value. So are reporters. Just last year fans on real gm including our own posters and even Zach Lowe were convinced Phoenix was going to have to include a first rounder to get rid of Markieff. Others thought all-NBA season Dragic for DMo was fair. I see trade proposals all day that are absolutely heinous from fans in those forums.

And actually Bledsoe is ahead of Conley at the same age. Call it what you want, but I can't remember the last time somebody as productive as Bledsoe was traded for just 1 mid-first rounder when he is on a bargain contract for the next 2 years and is only 27.

I think we should move Bledsoe, but it should be for a package of youngsters or multiple mid-tier picks or at least one premium one.

Very eloquently stated, And spot on assessment of most of the forums fans. Thank God real trades are conducted by professionals and not random arm chair g.m.s' . I am in total agreement with you also in that now is the time to trade Bledsoe, While his value is at a premium, and his production is probably at its peak. Also, as others have mentioned he doesn't really fit the timeline of our youth movement. We are in no way competing realistically in the next couple of years anyway. And the next two years have generational talents available in the top 5 or so of their lotteries, So as painful as it may be to endure one more season or two of losing basketball,We need to bottom out for one or two more seasons at most and as "McD" even stated himself, compete in 2020.

This allows us to very possibly remain in the top 3 or so of the draft, wherein we can finally land a franchise bigman and finish the growth/maturation process of our youngsters as they continually build off increasing chemistry and are all entering their primes.

[Andre Roberstan]

Posted it on there, Just waiting for results . I was spending some time on the trade boards reviewing what most of the other teams were willing to offer Detroit for the 12th pick, and it basically ranged from Courtney lee, to ryan Anderson, to Norman powell , or jon leur. And most thinking that they should just trade down to cut salary.

So far it seems like most scenarios could feasibly be in play afterall. I personally wouldn't trade Bledsoe alone for #12, But perhaps Bledsoe and alex Len for #12 and Andre Drummond. That is since they need cap relief bad, And van gundy isn't too fond of Drummond anyhow.

Bledsoe's value is really hard to peg cause he's obviously an awesome player. But the constant knee injuries would be enough to scare any team. It only takes one, though, and those gambles on health sometimes pay off—look at the Rockets and Gordon playing more games than he has in a season since his rookie year.

Trade value is incredibly complex, and we don't have all the variables. And it's not a static thing for every team, and it can change really rapidly. Gets even worse when you have team staff/ownership that aren't all on the same page (Sacramento!).

[PackSuns]

Sure you would hope to get more than the 12th pick for Bledsoe but you can't look at a trade like this as purely bledsoe is better than that player you have to factor in contract/team control. So essentially with any Bledsoe trade you're dealing 2 years of Bledsoe at a reasonable but still somewhat high contract number and if you're getting the 12 back that player at 12 you have 4 years of cheap rookie contract then you have matching rights in RFA so if you want you have 8-9 years of team control. That matters when judging this type of deal.

I could see this happening if they take Fox or Smith. As much as I like some of the wings in this draft I could understand the Suns thinking this might be their only opportunity to grab a high end PG prospect so they go that route. PG is so important how the modern NBA runs and to how the Suns want to play I would totally understand if they felt they needed to try to get their long term star at that position.

The Problem with this way of thinking is that there is no player that you are going to get at #12 that will come close to production of Bledsoe even in 3 years. Top this off if we take that big of step back to go with player at #4 like Fox you are still not going to get good production out of him for a couple years till he gets his weight up to around 200 lbs that he will need to take the contact that his game is based on. Smith might be able to start sooner but his attitude, drive and focus is still the major questions outside of his injury history. If he doesnt learn to be a point guard (i.e. passing the ball more) he is nothing more then another Brandon Knight and personally I am not in favor or spending a lottery pick on another brandon knight.

FYI. Smith led the ACC in assists last year after not playing basketball for a year.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Sure you would hope to get more than the 12th pick for Bledsoe but you can't look at a trade like this as purely bledsoe is better than that player you have to factor in contract/team control. So essentially with any Bledsoe trade you're dealing 2 years of Bledsoe at a reasonable but still somewhat high contract number and if you're getting the 12 back that player at 12 you have 4 years of cheap rookie contract then you have matching rights in RFA so if you want you have 8-9 years of team control. That matters when judging this type of deal.

I could see this happening if they take Fox or Smith. As much as I like some of the wings in this draft I could understand the Suns thinking this might be their only opportunity to grab a high end PG prospect so they go that route. PG is so important how the modern NBA runs and to how the Suns want to play I would totally understand if they felt they needed to try to get their long term star at that position.

The Problem with this way of thinking is that there is no player that you are going to get at #12 that will come close to production of Bledsoe even in 3 years. Top this off if we take that big of step back to go with player at #4 like Fox you are still not going to get good production out of him for a couple years till he gets his weight up to around 200 lbs that he will need to take the contact that his game is based on. Smith might be able to start sooner but his attitude, drive and focus is still the major questions outside of his injury history. If he doesnt learn to be a point guard (i.e. passing the ball more) he is nothing more then another Brandon Knight and personally I am not in favor or spending a lottery pick on another brandon knight.

Saying no player at 12 will have an impact is kind of silly. We just don't know how any of these guys will pan out. I bet the spurs were pretty happy they traded George Hill for a similar pick that landed them Leonard. Giannis was picked in a similar range in a bad draft. Now these are your best case scenarios and not super likely but it's not like this pick is destined to be some bum.

To those wanting to keep bledsoe my question is to what end? Do you feel the suns will compete in these next two years he's under contract? I think they can be better as the young guys develop but I think they are probably more than 2 years away from being a true competitor. So with that the million dollar question is would be you be willing to give Bledsoe a huge extension in two years? If so; great then they should keep him. If not; then you simply have to trade him and capitalize on the asset instead of having him play to meaningless seasons and walk for nothing.

[Waylay13]

Sure you would hope to get more than the 12th pick for Bledsoe but you can't look at a trade like this as purely bledsoe is better than that player you have to factor in contract/team control. So essentially with any Bledsoe trade you're dealing 2 years of Bledsoe at a reasonable but still somewhat high contract number and if you're getting the 12 back that player at 12 you have 4 years of cheap rookie contract then you have matching rights in RFA so if you want you have 8-9 years of team control. That matters when judging this type of deal.

I could see this happening if they take Fox or Smith. As much as I like some of the wings in this draft I could understand the Suns thinking this might be their only opportunity to grab a high end PG prospect so they go that route. PG is so important how the modern NBA runs and to how the Suns want to play I would totally understand if they felt they needed to try to get their long term star at that position.

The Problem with this way of thinking is that there is no player that you are going to get at #12 that will come close to production of Bledsoe even in 3 years. Top this off if we take that big of step back to go with player at #4 like Fox you are still not going to get good production out of him for a couple years till he gets his weight up to around 200 lbs that he will need to take the contact that his game is based on. Smith might be able to start sooner but his attitude, drive and focus is still the major questions outside of his injury history. If he doesnt learn to be a point guard (i.e. passing the ball more) he is nothing more then another Brandon Knight and personally I am not in favor or spending a lottery pick on another brandon knight.

Saying no player at 12 will have an impact is kind of silly. We just don't know how any of these guys will pan out. I bet the spurs were pretty happy they traded George Hill for a similar pick that landed them Leonard. Giannis was picked in a similar range in a bad draft. Now these are your best case scenarios and not super likely but it's not like this pick is destined to be some bum.

To those wanting to keep bledsoe my question is to what end? Do you feel the suns will compete in these next two years he's under contract? I think they can be better as the young guys develop but I think they are probably more than 2 years away from being a true competitor. So with that the million dollar question is would be you be willing to give Bledsoe a huge extension in two years? If so; great then they should keep him. If not; then you simply have to trade him and capitalize on the asset instead of having him play to meaningless seasons and walk for nothing.

The biggest reason that I want to keep Bledsoe is so that the Suns will keep Booker. Lets say that we trade Bledsoe for the 12th pick and there is not a point guard in that range that will be able to take his place. So the Suns start Knight who thinks that his job is to prove that he still has it and basically freezes Booker out of the offense and the goes no where and is back in the lottery. The next year there no real good point guard out there and we are still stuck with Knight with Ulis only getting back up minutes we are stuck in the lottery again with the future looking darker then ever when Booker goes to management with his new agent Rich Paul and says I wont resign with this team because they are not moving forward and they show no loyalty to their players. So you can trade me know or I am only going to sign a qualifying offer for a single year and go someplace that they want to win. So unless you can get a point guard that is going to be able to step in and take Bledsoe's place right away which comes down to in this draft Fultz and maybe Ball then you dont trade him.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The Problem with this way of thinking is that there is no player that you are going to get at #12 that will come close to production of Bledsoe even in 3 years. Top this off if we take that big of step back to go with player at #4 like Fox you are still not going to get good production out of him for a couple years till he gets his weight up to around 200 lbs that he will need to take the contact that his game is based on. Smith might be able to start sooner but his attitude, drive and focus is still the major questions outside of his injury history. If he doesnt learn to be a point guard (i.e. passing the ball more) he is nothing more then another Brandon Knight and personally I am not in favor or spending a lottery pick on another brandon knight.

Saying no player at 12 will have an impact is kind of silly. We just don't know how any of these guys will pan out. I bet the spurs were pretty happy they traded George Hill for a similar pick that landed them Leonard. Giannis was picked in a similar range in a bad draft. Now these are your best case scenarios and not super likely but it's not like this pick is destined to be some bum.

To those wanting to keep bledsoe my question is to what end? Do you feel the suns will compete in these next two years he's under contract? I think they can be better as the young guys develop but I think they are probably more than 2 years away from being a true competitor. So with that the million dollar question is would be you be willing to give Bledsoe a huge extension in two years? If so; great then they should keep him. If not; then you simply have to trade him and capitalize on the asset instead of having him play to meaningless seasons and walk for nothing.

The biggest reason that I want to keep Bledsoe is so that the Suns will keep Booker. Lets say that we trade Bledsoe for the 12th pick and there is not a point guard in that range that will be able to take his place. So the Suns start Knight who thinks that his job is to prove that he still has it and basically freezes Booker out of the offense and the goes no where and is back in the lottery. The next year there no real good point guard out there and we are still stuck with Knight with Ulis only getting back up minutes we are stuck in the lottery again with the future looking darker then ever when Booker goes to management with his new agent Rich Paul and says I wont resign with this team because they are not moving forward and they show no loyalty to their players. So you can trade me know or I am only going to sign a qualifying offer for a single year and go someplace that they want to win. So unless you can get a point guard that is going to be able to step in and take Bledsoe's place right away which comes down to in this draft Fultz and maybe Ball then you dont trade him.

I think you're over thinking that situation. For one I think if they plan on dealing bledsoe they will take Fox at 4 if he's there and would probably have him battle with Bookers buddy Ulis for the starting spot. I don't think Knight is in their plans what so ever so I wouldn't worry about him running the point and even if they did give him another chance he's be benched quickly if he froze booker out of the offense.

Actually to play devils advocate trading Bledsoe could be appealing to Booker because it would make him the leader and face of the team.

The "need" to trade Bledsoe IMO is if you take a PG at 4. If they do that you need to just turn the reigns over to that player right away. Young PG's absolutely need game reps to improve so more than any other spot I don't like them to be blocked by a vet. Plus I just wouldn't want the "when are they going to trade Bledsoe" drama what would be hanging over this team for the next two years if they choose his successor.

If they don't take a PG at 4 then I'm alright keep in Eric around heck I've even warmed up to the idea of extending him once his contract is done. It all comes down to what the suns doctors feel about the long term health of his knees.

[Jsbath]

What do you think for bledsoe + 2 ronda pick 17 x pick 5
If we select Jackson with the 4 tengo we can select dsj.
Or if we select tatum tiempo select fox


Enviado desde mi iPhone utilizando Tapatalk

[bwgood77]

What do you think for bledsoe + 2 ronda pick 17 x pick 5
If we select Jackson with the 4 tengo we can select dsj.
Or if we select tatum tiempo select fox


Enviado desde mi iPhone utilizando Tapatalk

So I think what you are saying is we trade Bledsoe and a 2nd round pick to Sac for the 5th pick? And then end up with Fox/Tatum or DSJ/Jackson?

I probably wouldn't be disappointed. I don't think the Kings would do that though.

[WeekapaugGroove]

What do you think for bledsoe + 2 ronda pick 17 x pick 5
If we select Jackson with the 4 tengo we can select dsj.
Or if we select tatum tiempo select fox


Enviado desde mi iPhone utilizando Tapatalk

So I think what you are saying is we trade Bledsoe and a 2nd round pick to Sac for the 5th pick? And then end up with Fox/Tatum or DSJ/Jackson?

I probably wouldn't be disappointed. I don't think the Kings would do that though.

Yeah doubt the kings would part with 5 for bledsoe even if the suns threw in next yrs miami 1st. Now if the kings don't take a pg at 5 then i think bledsoe for 10 could be in play.

Sent from my SM-G930V using RealGM mobile app

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Saying no player at 12 will have an impact is kind of silly. We just don't know how any of these guys will pan out. I bet the spurs were pretty happy they traded George Hill for a similar pick that landed them Leonard. Giannis was picked in a similar range in a bad draft. Now these are your best case scenarios and not super likely but it's not like this pick is destined to be some bum.

To those wanting to keep bledsoe my question is to what end? Do you feel the suns will compete in these next two years he's under contract? I think they can be better as the young guys develop but I think they are probably more than 2 years away from being a true competitor. So with that the million dollar question is would be you be willing to give Bledsoe a huge extension in two years? If so; great then they should keep him. If not; then you simply have to trade him and capitalize on the asset instead of having him play to meaningless seasons and walk for nothing.

The biggest reason that I want to keep Bledsoe is so that the Suns will keep Booker. Lets say that we trade Bledsoe for the 12th pick and there is not a point guard in that range that will be able to take his place. So the Suns start Knight who thinks that his job is to prove that he still has it and basically freezes Booker out of the offense and the goes no where and is back in the lottery. The next year there no real good point guard out there and we are still stuck with Knight with Ulis only getting back up minutes we are stuck in the lottery again with the future looking darker then ever when Booker goes to management with his new agent Rich Paul and says I wont resign with this team because they are not moving forward and they show no loyalty to their players. So you can trade me know or I am only going to sign a qualifying offer for a single year and go someplace that they want to win. So unless you can get a point guard that is going to be able to step in and take Bledsoe's place right away which comes down to in this draft Fultz and maybe Ball then you dont trade him.

I think you're over thinking that situation. For one I think if they plan on dealing bledsoe they will take Fox at 4 if he's there and would probably have him battle with Bookers buddy Ulis for the starting spot. I don't think Knight is in their plans what so ever so I wouldn't worry about him running the point and even if they did give him another chance he's be benched quickly if he froze booker out of the offense.

Actually to play devils advocate trading Bledsoe could be appealing to Booker because it would make him the leader and face of the team.

The "need" to trade Bledsoe IMO is if you take a PG at 4. If they do that you need to just turn the reigns over to that player right away. Young PG's absolutely need game reps to improve so more than any other spot I don't like them to be blocked by a vet. Plus I just wouldn't want the "when are they going to trade Bledsoe" drama what would be hanging over this team for the next two years if they choose his successor.

If they don't take a PG at 4 then I'm alright keep in Eric around heck I've even warmed up to the idea of extending him once his contract is done. It all comes down to what the suns doctors feel about the long term health of his knees.

If we took Fox at 4 and traded Bled, I think Ulis would start at first. Fox will have to earn those minutes. Ulis already has.

[sunsbum]

The biggest reason that I want to keep Bledsoe is so that the Suns will keep Booker. Lets say that we trade Bledsoe for the 12th pick and there is not a point guard in that range that will be able to take his place. So the Suns start Knight who thinks that his job is to prove that he still has it and basically freezes Booker out of the offense and the goes no where and is back in the lottery. The next year there no real good point guard out there and we are still stuck with Knight with Ulis only getting back up minutes we are stuck in the lottery again with the future looking darker then ever when Booker goes to management with his new agent Rich Paul and says I wont resign with this team because they are not moving forward and they show no loyalty to their players. So you can trade me know or I am only going to sign a qualifying offer for a single year and go someplace that they want to win. So unless you can get a point guard that is going to be able to step in and take Bledsoe's place right away which comes down to in this draft Fultz and maybe Ball then you dont trade him.

I think you're over thinking that situation. For one I think if they plan on dealing bledsoe they will take Fox at 4 if he's there and would probably have him battle with Bookers buddy Ulis for the starting spot. I don't think Knight is in their plans what so ever so I wouldn't worry about him running the point and even if they did give him another chance he's be benched quickly if he froze booker out of the offense.

Actually to play devils advocate trading Bledsoe could be appealing to Booker because it would make him the leader and face of the team.

The "need" to trade Bledsoe IMO is if you take a PG at 4. If they do that you need to just turn the reigns over to that player right away. Young PG's absolutely need game reps to improve so more than any other spot I don't like them to be blocked by a vet. Plus I just wouldn't want the "when are they going to trade Bledsoe" drama what would be hanging over this team for the next two years if they choose his successor.

If they don't take a PG at 4 then I'm alright keep in Eric around heck I've even warmed up to the idea of extending him once his contract is done. It all comes down to what the suns doctors feel about the long term health of his knees.

If we took Fox at 4 and traded Bled, I think Ulis would start at first. Fox will have to earn those minutes. Ulis already has.

On top of that, its questionable that Fox is even a PG. We know what Ulis does.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I think you're over thinking that situation. For one I think if they plan on dealing bledsoe they will take Fox at 4 if he's there and would probably have him battle with Bookers buddy Ulis for the starting spot. I don't think Knight is in their plans what so ever so I wouldn't worry about him running the point and even if they did give him another chance he's be benched quickly if he froze booker out of the offense.

Actually to play devils advocate trading Bledsoe could be appealing to Booker because it would make him the leader and face of the team.

The "need" to trade Bledsoe IMO is if you take a PG at 4. If they do that you need to just turn the reigns over to that player right away. Young PG's absolutely need game reps to improve so more than any other spot I don't like them to be blocked by a vet. Plus I just wouldn't want the "when are they going to trade Bledsoe" drama what would be hanging over this team for the next two years if they choose his successor.

If they don't take a PG at 4 then I'm alright keep in Eric around heck I've even warmed up to the idea of extending him once his contract is done. It all comes down to what the suns doctors feel about the long term health of his knees.

If we took Fox at 4 and traded Bled, I think Ulis would start at first. Fox will have to earn those minutes. Ulis already has.

On top of that, its questionable that Fox is even a PG. We know what Ulis does.

Word. And frankly, ideally, Fox turns into a combo guard. Ulis still looks like a 30 MPG player in this league to me.

[jredsaz]

12 is probably fair value for Bledsoe. Yeah, of course if they would trade 12 for Chandler or Dudley we should do it. but that's obviously extremely far fetched.

I actually think Bledsoe is worth more than 12, even in this draft. That said, I like the top 11 projected players much better than who is projected to be there at 12. If the top 11 went as projected on draftexpress and we moved Bledsoe for 12, I'd probably take Anunoby. Problem is if we take Isaac or Jackson at 4, we can't really take Anunoby.

I agree with all that. In a nutshell I wouldn't trade him for Anunoby, unless maybe we drafted Fox or a PG, and then still maybe not, but I think that is about his market value because I don't know for sure if a top 11 team would move their pick for him. I think 12 is his market value which means we likely keep him.

I think the plan is to keep him anyway at this point, at least for a little while.

If the Suns could come out of this with Fox and OG that's something I would give up Bledsoe for.

Sent from my SM-N920V using RealGM mobile app

[darealjuice]

KD supposedly willing to take the Non-Bird extension to keep the Warriors core together. No surprise since he's only missing out on $4M and it gives them the ability to retain key bench players, but it's a bit frustrating how much it easier it makes things for their front office when they have superstars that'll take less just to play there. Hope everyone's excited for the Warriors to continue sweeping the West for the next couple years.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Given my propensity for adding another first round pick or two, And the fair possibility of moving Bledsoe anyways sooner or later, I have thrown together a few trade scenarios in which we would theoretically acquire the necessary first rounders to pull off a draft night "coup".

Feel free to share your thoughts with me on these proposals,

First Trade: Suns/Sacramento-

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydewtwhm .

Phoenix sends Bledsoe and a conditional future first to sacramento for Aaron Affalo and Anthony Tolliver and the #5 pick in the 2017 draft.(Nitkilina or Dennis Smith Jr.)

Why for Phoenix? This allows us to move Bledsoe before any further injury to his knees and also avoid another impending "Rich Paul contract fiasco. Finally,Bledsoe is great, However, We would be replacing him with a much larger(6'6 defensive stopper) who is younger, athletic and very talented, and better fits the timeline for our youth movement.

Why for Sacramento? It's been so very long since they have even experienced the playoffs, And even though they are young as well, It's well known their strong desire to get back into the playoffs. They have a lot of talented pieces inplace, But Bledsoe would undoubtedly increase their chances of a long awaited playoff birth. And would obviously provide immensely more leadership, experience, and production than most any rookie they might find even at that spot.

trade #2: Phoenix/Minnesota-

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9evqdt5 .

Phoenix trades: Eric Bledsoe and a conditional future first to Minnesota for Nikola Pekovic (bad contract) and Brandon Rush.


Why for Phoenix? Doing this allows them to very likely get either Nitkilina or Dennis Smith Jr. And even though we would have to most likely take back Pekovics' Bad Contract, It would Only be for a year or two at most And he would give us a big,very physical presence at center behind chandler. And Brandon Rush would give us a more than decent three point shooter and defensive option behind Bledsoe until his contract expires.

Why for Minnesota? Rubio is getting somewhat better, But not nearly good enough to help them get into the playoffs. Again, Bledsoes' experience, production , etc. would obviously give them that necessary boost they need to finally reach the playoffs. Add in the incentive of us taking back Pekovics' contract wich gives them much needed salary cap room when it comes time for them to resign their core of wiggins, towns, rubio, and lavine, And it's a "no brainer for them.


Trade #3Phoenix and Dallas-


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb5soj53 .


Phoenix trades Bledsoe and Alex Len(expiring) to Dallas for Wesley Matthews and Devin Harris.( Not my ideal trade ).

Why for Phoenix

? Pretty simple, I want their # 9 pick in order to secure Nitkilina or Smith. Also, even though I hate Wesley Matthews horrible contract, He still is a solid veteran 2 guard, defender and 3 point shooter. Again, I would hate to have to take on Matthews' contract, But Cuban is NO FOOL and we would have to give to get in this scenario. But I strongly believe mutual interest would be there. And as for Devin Harris, Once we move Bledsoe in this trade, He would give us a pretty solid backup option behind Nitkilina/Smith and Ulis.

Why for Dallas

? Basically so Dirk can compete in the playoffs before he retires. Also Cuban Wants to compete as well. Add in the salary cap savings from moving Matthews contract and again, it's another "no brainer".

Final Trade

-Phoenix and New York.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd2g4q6s .

Phoenix trades Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, And Alex Len to New York for Derrick rose, And Joakim Noah. For the record, I'm not a fan of Derrick Rose in his current condition, However he is an expiring contract and I really only added him to this scenario to make the numbers work and to help New York avoid any unnecessary awkward logjam, etc. Then again, New York may want to keep him . I also had us taking him back so we might hopefully convince them to take back knights' contract.

Why for Phoenix

? The #8 pick for starters, where in we can still feasibly acquire Nitkilina or Dennis Smith Jr. Also, We get Noah, who is a massive upgrade over Len, And would be optional as a more defensive oriented 4 for us. He would also give us a major boost in our rebounding.

Why for New York

? $ 7 million in cap savings to start, as well as the ability to move on from the derrick rose failure. Also Bledsoe gives them a near all star production in their point guard who also has the ability to play in jacksons' self coveted " triangle system". Finally, gives them a more reasonable chance to compete for the playoffs in a weaker eastern conference. Yes, I know that knight is currently considered by many to be a net negative contractually, But I think that perhaps a change of location might give him boost and let him start over somewhat. Plus New York is really short on shooting guards and knight might perform better in the "bright Lights" of New York.


Or you could just simplify the trade by:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb6ornu6 .


Phoenix simply trades Bledsoe and a future conditional first rounder for Derrick Rose and the #8 pick.

All in all, Not easy trades, But still more or less achievable depending on level of mutual interest and creativity on "mcDs' part.