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Fo-Real wrote:Cousins is Barkley as 1992 is 2018, extreme talent, controversial needing a better situation and structure. Get Cuz in a happier positive environment (Philly and Sacto have similarities too) we could have a fun run. At this moment with the situation as is, I put my damn money on Bled, Book, Jackson, Chriss, Cuz in 2018.
DarkHawk wrote:matt131 wrote:MilotheSlayer wrote:Yes, would be very enjoyable to watch/listen to some of the players.
I think that would be awesome. For some reason I doubt national sports media aka espn would credit the Suns for anything good.
I know it's very old and I'm sure everyone here has read it, but I would recommend the book "Seven Seconds or Less" by Jack McCallum. Very entertaining in my opinion and has some cool behind the scenes stuff from the players.
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+1 on the 30 for 30.
I actually bought that book years ago but still haven't read it.
bwgood77 wrote:DarkHawk wrote:matt131 wrote:
I think that would be awesome. For some reason I doubt national sports media aka espn would credit the Suns for anything good.
I know it's very old and I'm sure everyone here has read it, but I would recommend the book "Seven Seconds or Less" by Jack McCallum. Very entertaining in my opinion and has some cool behind the scenes stuff from the players.
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+1 on the 30 for 30.
I actually bought that book years ago but still haven't read it.
That's a MUST read if you were a Suns fan then. Jack McCallum actually traveled with the team that whole season (2005-6) and you get behind the scenes stuff. It's almost like re-living that season but with a closer look.
GoranTragic wrote:In2ition wrote:GoranTragic wrote:
Do you really want Lebron destroying this franchise? That doesn't even factor in the stacked Western Conference. It doesn't really make sense when we won't beat the Warriors.
Destroy this franchise? Are you joking? Please explain your hyperbole.
Not hyperbole. Lebron wants to run the team. If he doesn't get his way then there are consequences.
ATTL wrote:
suns91fan wrote:Fo-Real wrote:Cousins is Barkley as 1992 is 2018, extreme talent, controversial needing a better situation and structure. Get Cuz in a happier positive environment (Philly and Sacto have similarities too) we could have a fun run. At this moment with the situation as is, I put my damn money on Bled, Book, Jackson, Chriss, Cuz in 2018.
I think that comparison is an insult to Barkley. They are not even close.
AtheJ415 wrote:GoranTragic wrote:In2ition wrote:Destroy this franchise? Are you joking? Please explain your hyperbole.
Not hyperbole. Lebron wants to run the team. If he doesn't get his way then there are consequences.
Yup. He is a fantastic player and all and obviously a top 5 player ever, but he has held the last 3 teams he has been on hostage more than any player since Kobe when he booted Shaq. If he came here he would have a strong say or be the decisionmaker in nearly every decision aside from maybe who to draft. Otherwise, he would never come here--he would simply go to a team that is closer to winning it all like SA, LAC, or HOU. This idea that Lebron would come to Phoenix and be happy to lead the youngens to the 6 seed (and that's optimistic given how far this team is from contending today) is crazy to me. He would only come here upon certain other promises to get him guys to win now. Otherwise there is 0 reason to believe he would come here, and I don't see what other guys are out there and attainable that realistically has a shot against GS.
Fo-Real wrote:suns91fan wrote:Fo-Real wrote:Cousins is Barkley as 1992 is 2018, extreme talent, controversial needing a better situation and structure. Get Cuz in a happier positive environment (Philly and Sacto have similarities too) we could have a fun run. At this moment with the situation as is, I put my damn money on Bled, Book, Jackson, Chriss, Cuz in 2018.
I think that comparison is an insult to Barkley. They are not even close.
I think like most people you are way too serious (insult, really) and too literal. I am not saying Cousins will be on the 50 best players of all time like Barkley, not saying he is equal. Saying he is still young, talented, and could flourish both as an athlete and as a likable personality with a positive team change just like Barkley did. If you don't agree, good for you, but "an insult" is asinine to say in my opinion.
GoranTragic wrote:In2ition wrote:GoranTragic wrote:
Do you really want Lebron destroying this franchise? That doesn't even factor in the stacked Western Conference. It doesn't really make sense when we won't beat the Warriors.
Destroy this franchise? Are you joking? Please explain your hyperbole.
Not hyperbole. Lebron wants to run the team. If he doesn't get his way then there are consequences.
N.O.R.E. wrote:If your FO is serious about pursuing Kyrie, what do you think about the following idea:
Suns out: Josh Jackson, Bledsoe, Brandon Knight dump
In: Kyrie, Mo Harkless, Shump
Chandler/Len?/Chriss
Bender/Chriss/Williams
Harkless/Warren/Dudley
Booker/Shump
Kyrie/Ulis
Ridiculous back court. Should be competitive but will likely collect another decent lotto pick.
Blazers out: CJ McCollum, Harkless, Aminu, Vonleh
In: Kevin Love, Josh Jackson, Brandon Knight, approx. $3 million TE / get under Lux Tax
Nurkic/Ed Davis/Zach Collins
K.Love/Leonard/Swanigan
Josh Jackson/Turner
B.Knight/Turner/Connaughton
Lillard/Napier/B.Knight
The Blazers make the painful decision to let go of CJ but pick up an allstar PF who would be a great fit with Nurkic, and your rook SF who hopefully develops into a 2 way stud.
Cavs out: Kyrie, Love, Shump
In: CJ McCollum, Bledsoe, Aminu, Vonleh
TT/Frye/Tavares
Aminu/J.Green/Vonleh
LeBron/Korver/Osman
CJ/JR
Bledsoe/Rose/Felder
Cavs salvage a bad situation by upgrading the backcourt and picking up to forwards that could be good fits with LeBron.
N.O.R.E. wrote:If your FO is serious about pursuing Kyrie, what do you think about the following idea:
Suns out: Josh Jackson, Bledsoe, Brandon Knight dump
In: Kyrie, Mo Harkless, Shump
Chandler/Len?/Chriss
Bender/Chriss/Williams
Harkless/Warren/Dudley
Booker/Shump
Kyrie/Ulis
Ridiculous back court. Should be competitive but will likely collect another decent lotto pick.
Blazers out: CJ McCollum, Harkless, Aminu, Vonleh
In: Kevin Love, Josh Jackson, Brandon Knight, approx. $3 million TE / get under Lux Tax
Nurkic/Ed Davis/Zach Collins
K.Love/Leonard/Swanigan
Josh Jackson/Turner
B.Knight/Turner/Connaughton
Lillard/Napier/B.Knight
The Blazers make the painful decision to let go of CJ but pick up an allstar PF who would be a great fit with Nurkic, and your rook SF who hopefully develops into a 2 way stud.
Cavs out: Kyrie, Love, Shump
In: CJ McCollum, Bledsoe, Aminu, Vonleh
TT/Frye/Tavares
Aminu/J.Green/Vonleh
LeBron/Korver/Osman
CJ/JR
Bledsoe/Rose/Felder
Cavs salvage a bad situation by upgrading the backcourt and picking up to forwards that could be good fits with LeBron.
N.O.R.E. wrote:If your FO is serious about pursuing Kyrie, what do you think about the following idea:
Suns out: Josh Jackson, Bledsoe, Brandon Knight dump
In: Kyrie, Mo Harkless, Shump
Chandler/Len?/Chriss
Bender/Chriss/Williams
Harkless/Warren/Dudley
Booker/Shump
Kyrie/Ulis
Ridiculous back court. Should be competitive but will likely collect another decent lotto pick.
Blazers out: CJ McCollum, Harkless, Aminu, Vonleh
In: Kevin Love, Josh Jackson, Brandon Knight, approx. $3 million TE / get under Lux Tax
Nurkic/Ed Davis/Zach Collins
K.Love/Leonard/Swanigan
Josh Jackson/Turner
B.Knight/Turner/Connaughton
Lillard/Napier/B.Knight
The Blazers make the painful decision to let go of CJ but pick up an allstar PF who would be a great fit with Nurkic, and your rook SF who hopefully develops into a 2 way stud.
Cavs out: Kyrie, Love, Shump
In: CJ McCollum, Bledsoe, Aminu, Vonleh
TT/Frye/Tavares
Aminu/J.Green/Vonleh
LeBron/Korver/Osman
CJ/JR
Bledsoe/Rose/Felder
Cavs salvage a bad situation by upgrading the backcourt and picking up to forwards that could be good fits with LeBron.
matt131 wrote:bwgood77 wrote:DarkHawk wrote:
+1 on the 30 for 30.
I actually bought that book years ago but still haven't read it.
That's a MUST read if you were a Suns fan then. Jack McCallum actually traveled with the team that whole season (2005-6) and you get behind the scenes stuff. It's almost like re-living that season but with a closer look.
Totally agree. It feels like you are right there. That was the suns team I grew up with so the book is even more special to me. I actually feel like re reading it. I think one of the most interesting lines of the book was this:
"Great game, Shawn," I say [McCallum]
He doesn't respond. Then, from under a towel, I hear: "We win, it's everybody but me; we lose, it's my fault. I don't understand that."
I loved Shawn Marion and always got this feeling too. God he was a beast. He could have the quietest 30/20. 30/20! That's insane! No coverage at all. I was crushed when he got traded, but I'm glad he eventually ended up winning a championship.
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1UPZ wrote:matt131 wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
That's a MUST read if you were a Suns fan then. Jack McCallum actually traveled with the team that whole season (2005-6) and you get behind the scenes stuff. It's almost like re-living that season but with a closer look.
Totally agree. It feels like you are right there. That was the suns team I grew up with so the book is even more special to me. I actually feel like re reading it. I think one of the most interesting lines of the book was this:
"Great game, Shawn," I say [McCallum]
He doesn't respond. Then, from under a towel, I hear: "We win, it's everybody but me; we lose, it's my fault. I don't understand that."
I loved Shawn Marion and always got this feeling too. God he was a beast. He could have the quietest 30/20. 30/20! That's insane! No coverage at all. I was crushed when he got traded, but I'm glad he eventually ended up winning a championship.
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Marion is my favourite Suns player of all time along Barkley, Finley and Majerle... Nash and KJ up there too. But Marion was so under rated.
LukasBMW wrote:1UPZ wrote:matt131 wrote:
Totally agree. It feels like you are right there. That was the suns team I grew up with so the book is even more special to me. I actually feel like re reading it. I think one of the most interesting lines of the book was this:
"Great game, Shawn," I say [McCallum]
He doesn't respond. Then, from under a towel, I hear: "We win, it's everybody but me; we lose, it's my fault. I don't understand that."
I loved Shawn Marion and always got this feeling too. God he was a beast. He could have the quietest 30/20. 30/20! That's insane! No coverage at all. I was crushed when he got traded, but I'm glad he eventually ended up winning a championship.
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Marion is my favourite Suns player of all time along Barkley, Finley and Majerle... Nash and KJ up there too. But Marion was so under rated.
Marion and Nash almost led us to a Championship.
Marion was also a super nice guy in real life. I don't agree with his stance on being disrespected by the Suns as far as recognition goes, but he still is my all-time favorite sun (tied with Nash).
KJ was up there too, but the rumors about underage girls kinda killed the respect I had for him.
In2ition wrote:AtheJ415 wrote:GoranTragic wrote:
Not hyperbole. Lebron wants to run the team. If he doesn't get his way then there are consequences.
Yup. He is a fantastic player and all and obviously a top 5 player ever, but he has held the last 3 teams he has been on hostage more than any player since Kobe when he booted Shaq. If he came here he would have a strong say or be the decisionmaker in nearly every decision aside from maybe who to draft. Otherwise, he would never come here--he would simply go to a team that is closer to winning it all like SA, LAC, or HOU. This idea that Lebron would come to Phoenix and be happy to lead the youngens to the 6 seed (and that's optimistic given how far this team is from contending today) is crazy to me. He would only come here upon certain other promises to get him guys to win now. Otherwise there is 0 reason to believe he would come here, and I don't see what other guys are out there and attainable that realistically has a shot against GS.
I'm not saying he would come here, but to say he would get the Suns to only a 6th seed after another year of maturing says you think this group is total crap and has no chance. Well if it has no chance then it certainly doesn't hurt anything to bring him in, as we are all screwed anyways if McDonough can't pick difference makers with high picks.
In2ition wrote:AtheJ415 wrote:GoranTragic wrote:
Not hyperbole. Lebron wants to run the team. If he doesn't get his way then there are consequences.
Yup. He is a fantastic player and all and obviously a top 5 player ever, but he has held the last 3 teams he has been on hostage more than any player since Kobe when he booted Shaq. If he came here he would have a strong say or be the decisionmaker in nearly every decision aside from maybe who to draft. Otherwise, he would never come here--he would simply go to a team that is closer to winning it all like SA, LAC, or HOU. This idea that Lebron would come to Phoenix and be happy to lead the youngens to the 6 seed (and that's optimistic given how far this team is from contending today) is crazy to me. He would only come here upon certain other promises to get him guys to win now. Otherwise there is 0 reason to believe he would come here, and I don't see what other guys are out there and attainable that realistically has a shot against GS.
I'm not saying he would come here, but to say he would get the Suns to only a 6th seed after another year of maturing says you think this group is total crap and has no chance. Well if it has no chance then it certainly doesn't hurt anything to bring him in, as we are all screwed anyways if McDonough can't pick difference makers with high picks.
