2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

[Qwigglez]

He’s been playing a lot like a taller Goodwin offensively in SL.

[bigfoot]

Not as much as those who think we should look into trading him would want, and then nothing near what those consider him near untouchable would want.

We just have to hope he improves. He had one bad season and a bad summer league and has a new coach and new system and has a summer to try and fix things. He seems in interviews so ready to work on his weaknesses but then watching him it didn't look like he remembered his January talk. I don't know.

It's still SUPER early. Even though he's older than a guy like Bender he only had one year in the league...so he needs some time.

I'm just glad we have some shooters...we may not need him much right away if the improvement isn't there.

All Rookie Second team after a bad 2017.... averaged 17+ points a game and played defense in 2018, second only to Mitchell..

And that was BAD??


ridiculous.


To me its clear... not a great shooter = bad in the eyes of some Suns fans here. If Westbrook was a rookie or 2nd year player on the Suns, even players like Butler and Durant who shot low 40% early in his rookie year.... some of you guys would want them lynched. Basically Suns should just field a bunch of Bookers and Currys it seems.


Ridiculous.


Funny, Draymond Green shot poorly the 3pt line last season and is not known as a "good" shooter but he is a max player and an all-star.

Josh Jackson has shown many things outside of Booker-like shooting that is common with other elite players and Suns fans hate him...


The team needs defense, all round ability and athletecism as much as shooting.... Jackson ticks all the boxes outside of being a 3pt sharp shooter... Its baffling really.

Jackson plays out of control and taking very very ill-advised shots. I wouldn't even care if he shoots 20% if he had a good shot selection. My problem with him is not his percentage. It's his shot selection and playing without a plan.

Shot selection hits the nail on the head for JJ. He could have wide open floaters but instead drives into a crowd and either loses the ball on a turnover, gets his shot blocked, or throws up a prayer. It's just outta control and ugly looking. His vision is overrated too missing wide open team mates. Somebody said it best ... his offense is good on the fast break but half court sets it's pretty damn weak.

[King4Day]

Off topic but have you guys ever went to the general board and went to the final pages some of it goes back to 2007. A lot of suns threads too. For example a thread of someone asking if Larry brown would coach the suns. I read a few random threads

People also said Casey would make a great coach when he was an assistant. Now he has became a coach and won COY and gets thrashed in today's modern general board

Every now and then I look at past ones. It's crazy how much of a different NBA world it was then. Different teams and players being talked about

[Hesh]

Off topic but have you guys ever went to the general board and went to the final pages some of it goes back to 2007. A lot of suns threads too. For example a thread of someone asking if Larry brown would coach the suns. I read a few random threads

People also said Casey would make a great coach when he was an assistant. Now he has became a coach and won COY and gets thrashed in today's modern general board

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=750582

Watch on YouTube

This was pretty cool, Chris Bosh actually reads realgm and invited people on the board to ask him questions

[DaleyBlind]

Josh Jackson playing himself to the NAZ Suns, yeesh he looks terrible.
Also Reed must be kept over Troy Daniels.

[BobbieL]

Josh Jackson playing himself to the NAZ Suns, yeesh he looks terrible.
Also Reed must be kept over Troy Daniels.

Both Shaq and Reed need to be kept over Daniels. If it takes a 2020 2nd rounder to move Daniels - so be it . Hopefully it doesn't come to that and the Suns get "future considerations" for Daniels.

As for Josh, I think its time to NOT play him in SL. He is not shooting well. Time to get back in the gym and just practice, practice, practice his shot. 100s per day.

I think the Suns will make a couple more roster additions - that could involve a trade like Daniels and a buyout of Chandler. And they bring back Sauce and add a PG - money is still on Teodosic.

[stoo]

so cooley backup center... so far not to shabby

[Frank Lee]

Don’t underestimate the impact Booker. Warren, Ariza, a ‘play according to system’ leash will have on Jackson’s shot selection and impact. He is clearly the alph dog in summer league and feels he is the man. His light will never be as green as it is in these semi meaningless games.

I’m not worried as JJ will find his place when surrounded by better players.

[bwgood77]

Marcus Smart is barely above a league minimum player imo.

Are you high?

You're right. He probably shouldn't even be in the league. Worst offensive PG in 30 years. Re-read that. He is that bad. There is nothing he does at a good level on that end of the court. He is a walking turnover who can't shoot and still takes a boatload of shots.
Then when you combine his horrid offense with his good defense, he still grades out as a VORP neutral player with negative ORtg-DRtg.

If he's the worst offensive PG in 30 years, it makes it real scary to realize he has the same TS% as JJ in the regular season...actually had a slightly better one at the same age. Better ast/to ratio...actually not bad there at 2/1.

[SkinnyOMiller]

10 of 41 from the field is brutal. JJ gonna be able to build houses for all his extended family with those brick he's putting up.

[Sunsdeuce]

I’m curious to know what Josh Jackson could net us on the open market !??

Not as much as those who think we should look into trading him would want, and then nothing near what those consider him near untouchable would want.

We just have to hope he improves. He had one bad season and a bad summer league and has a new coach and new system and has a summer to try and fix things. He seems in interviews so ready to work on his weaknesses but then watching him it didn't look like he remembered his January talk. I don't know.

It's still SUPER early. Even though he's older than a guy like Bender he only had one year in the league...so he needs some time.

I'm just glad we have some shooters...we may not need him much right away if the improvement isn't there.

All Rookie Second team after a bad 2017.... averaged 17+ points a game and played defense in 2018, second only to Mitchell..

And that was BAD??


ridiculous.


To me its clear... not a great shooter = bad in the eyes of some Suns fans here. If Westbrook was a rookie or 2nd year player on the Suns, even players like Butler and Durant who shot low 40% early in his rookie year.... some of you guys would want them lynched. Basically Suns should just field a bunch of Bookers and Currys it seems.


Ridiculous.


Funny, Draymond Green shot poorly the 3pt line last season and is not known as a "good" shooter but he is a max player and an all-star.

Josh Jackson has shown many things outside of Booker-like shooting that is common with other elite players and Suns fans hate him...


The team needs defense, all round ability and athletecism as much as shooting.... Jackson ticks all the boxes outside of being a 3pt sharp shooter... Its baffling really.

Draymond deficiencies have been hidden since day one. Klay and Curry make him more than he really is. Kinda like when MJ made Luc Longley into a high paid center. Draymond is not an all-star on any other team not named Warriors.

I have been watching the NBA since 1988, and there probably isn’t a more overrated basketball player I have witnessed other than Draymond Green.

[bwgood77]

Green isn't a good 3 pt shooter but he's one of the best defenders in all of basketball and a great facilitator, averaging over 7 apg and leading the Warriors in assists the last 3 years. Sure his deficiency in 3 pt shooting isn't a huge deal with those other guys on the team, but Green is a very important part of that team.

If JJ can become anything close to the defender and facilitator that Green is, I'll be ecstatic. Of course they are far different players with Jackson being so athletic and dynamic and 7 years younger.

His rookie year was really awful though...his TS% was barely over 40%, though he was a plus defender.

[Sreister]

Not as much as those who think we should look into trading him would want, and then nothing near what those consider him near untouchable would want.

We just have to hope he improves. He had one bad season and a bad summer league and has a new coach and new system and has a summer to try and fix things. He seems in interviews so ready to work on his weaknesses but then watching him it didn't look like he remembered his January talk. I don't know.

It's still SUPER early. Even though he's older than a guy like Bender he only had one year in the league...so he needs some time.

I'm just glad we have some shooters...we may not need him much right away if the improvement isn't there.

All Rookie Second team after a bad 2017.... averaged 17+ points a game and played defense in 2018, second only to Mitchell..

And that was BAD??


ridiculous.


To me its clear... not a great shooter = bad in the eyes of some Suns fans here. If Westbrook was a rookie or 2nd year player on the Suns, even players like Butler and Durant who shot low 40% early in his rookie year.... some of you guys would want them lynched. Basically Suns should just field a bunch of Bookers and Currys it seems.


Ridiculous.


Funny, Draymond Green shot poorly the 3pt line last season and is not known as a "good" shooter but he is a max player and an all-star.

Josh Jackson has shown many things outside of Booker-like shooting that is common with other elite players and Suns fans hate him...


The team needs defense, all round ability and athletecism as much as shooting.... Jackson ticks all the boxes outside of being a 3pt sharp shooter... Its baffling really.

Draymond deficiencies have been hidden since day one. Klay and Curry make him more than he really is. Kinda like when MJ made Luc Longley into a high paid center. Draymond is not an all-star on any other team not named Warriors.

I have been watching the NBA since 1988, and there probably isn’t a more overrated basketball player I have witnessed other than Draymond Green.

Non Suns topic that I needed to address..

I can get behind disagreeing about how someone is worth, and there is truth behind players 'worth' being inflated, but this was crazy to read. Saying he is the most over rated player since 1988 is insane, because what makes him great isn't helped AT ALL by what Klay and Steph do. He has heart, and wears his hat on the defensive end. And to tout that you know he is because you've watched basketball for a somewhat long time as evidence to your unfounded statement is pretty pretentious.

He lead the NBA in defensive Win Shares in the 16-17 season and was 3rd in the 15-16 season. Last year he dipped to top 30 is all. But to say that he's overrated because his offensive game is masked by Steph and Klay is EXTREMELY superficial. Whatever the dude makes on the offensive end is gravy. He's a firey, full of heart defensive specialist and a winner.

[LukasBMW]

He’s been playing a lot like a taller Goodwin offensively in SL.

Hilarious you say that. I tuned in late to the first game and saw this skinny and athletic guy wearing 20 playing for us. He was getting to the rim but was a turnover machine. My first thought: Did we give Archie another summer league tryout from the NAZ Suns?



Then I realized it was JJ.

[LukasBMW]

Don’t underestimate the impact Booker. Warren, Ariza, a ‘play according to system’ leash will have on Jackson’s shot selection and impact. He is clearly the alph dog in summer league and feels he is the man. His light will never be as green as it is in these semi meaningless games.

I’m not worried as JJ will find his place when surrounded by better players.

Agreed. JJ's play at the end of last season is more telling then 3 summer league games.

I'm not ringing the alarm bell yet.

But I did expect him to do better. Booker dominated summer league in his second year. JJ has been awful.

[bwgood77]

He’s been playing a lot like a taller Goodwin offensively in SL.

Hilarious you say that. I tuned in late to the first game and saw this skinny and athletic guy wearing 20 playing for us. He was getting to the rim but was a turnover machine. My first thought: Did we give Archie another summer league tryout from the NAZ Suns?



Then I realized it was JJ.

Goodwin's playing with the Blazers in summer league. He's about to break the all time summer league scoring record, or may be he did, since this article is from a couple days ago.

With the Portland Trail Blazers in this year’s Summer League, Archie Goodwin has a chance to break a record: most career Summer League points. He’s up to 324, just 13 points from Coby Karl’s record 337 points. For Goodwin, though, it’s more about catching on with an NBA team than breaking an obscure record.

https://www.blazersedge.com/2018/7/8/17546250/archie-goodwin-blazers-summer-league-record-points-nba-free-agency

[AtheJ415]

Josh Jackson playing himself to the NAZ Suns, yeesh he looks terrible.
Also Reed must be kept over Troy Daniels.

Both Shaq and Reed need to be kept over Daniels. If it takes a 2020 2nd rounder to move Daniels - so be it . Hopefully it doesn't come to that and the Suns get "future considerations" for Daniels.

As for Josh, I think its time to NOT play him in SL. He is not shooting well. Time to get back in the gym and just practice, practice, practice his shot. 100s per day.

I think the Suns will make a couple more roster additions - that could involve a trade like Daniels and a buyout of Chandler. And they bring back Sauce and add a PG - money is still on Teodosic.

Why would we need to do that? We could just cut Daniels. It's not like we need the cap space, and he expires next year anyways.

[AtheJ415]

Are you high?

You're right. He probably shouldn't even be in the league. Worst offensive PG in 30 years. Re-read that. He is that bad. There is nothing he does at a good level on that end of the court. He is a walking turnover who can't shoot and still takes a boatload of shots.
Then when you combine his horrid offense with his good defense, he still grades out as a VORP neutral player with negative ORtg-DRtg.

If he's the worst offensive PG in 30 years, it makes it real scary to realize he has the same TS% as JJ in the regular season...actually had a slightly better one at the same age. Better ast/to ratio...actually not bad there at 2/1.

JJ isn't a PG, and he isn't playing for Brad Stevens. What PG has looked bad offensively playing for him in Boston aside from Smart? On the other side, what players have made bad decisions and shot poorly playing for our coaches and with our supporting cast?

[King4Day]

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Trying to think of what incentive a team would have to make a trade like this. Or how it'd even work.

[Walt_Uoob]

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Trying to think of what incentive a team would have to make a trade like this. Or how it'd even work.

Yeah strange, but maybe they're trying to acquire an asset by trading him for a longer unwanted contract?