2019 Fantasy Basketball Thread - Make trade offers here if you'd like

[MrMiyagi]

My whole line up is playing tonight in Dynasty. Maybe I'll inch my way out of 15th for a bit.

[bigfoot]

I've 4 dynasty players on the IL (two on the bench and two on IL) ... Curry, Zion, Favors, and Huerter. I'll need to get a new training staff next year

[bwgood77]

I've 4 dynasty players on the IL (two on the bench and two on IL) ... Curry, Zion, Favors, and Huerter. I'll need to get a new training staff next year

I have 3 in premier which is tougher. At least you have no chance. I had a big lead in 1st before Hayward, Lowry and Lamb went down...and Curry going down hurt Draymond in a big way. Plus he missed a few games. I've dropped to 5th.

At least in your case you likely get another high pick.

[Book1Nation]

First Russell Westbrook game post trade was not great...

8/22 FG, 7/9 FT, 25 pts, 2 rebs, 5 ast, 2 3PTM

First Rudy Gobert game post trade was very nice...

5/8 FG, 2/3 FT, 12 pts, 15 rebs, 1 ast, 5 blocks

[bwgood77]

First Russell Westbrook game post trade was not great...

8/22 FG, 7/9 FT, 25 pts, 2 rebs, 5 ast, 2 3PTM

First Rudy Gobert game post trade was very nice...

5/8 FG, 2/3 FT, 12 pts, 15 rebs, 1 ast, 5 blocks

I noticed that Gobert line right after I no longer had him after over 4 years.

[Book1Nation]

First Russell Westbrook game post trade was not great...

8/22 FG, 7/9 FT, 25 pts, 2 rebs, 5 ast, 2 3PTM

First Rudy Gobert game post trade was very nice...

5/8 FG, 2/3 FT, 12 pts, 15 rebs, 1 ast, 5 blocks

I noticed that Gobert line right after I no longer had him after over 4 years.

Hey Jokic had 27/12/4 and Marcus Smart...shot a lot? At least he had 8 dimes and 2 steals to make up for it.

[Kyler Murray]

Lou, draymond, conley all available in dynasty, lookin for young pieces since I'm going nowhere this year

[bwgood77]

Did we ever decide on number of keepers in dynasty this year? Is it 8, or 9 but you lose your draft pick? Or is it just 8?

Should maybe bump the dynasty thread so we don't just clutter this overall thread with dynasty thoughts. Seems so many teams are trying to rebuild leaving only a few to dominate at the top. This is like the real NBA was the last 5 years. No one will compete for years except like the same 4 teams, and even some right near there want to rebuild.

[sunskerr]

Did we ever decide on number of keepers in dynasty this year? Is it 8, or 9 but you lose your draft pick? Or is it just 8?

Should maybe bump the dynasty thread so we don't just clutter this overall thread with dynasty thoughts. Seems so many teams are trying to rebuild leaving only a few to dominate at the top. This is like the real NBA was the last 5 years. No one will compete for years except like the same 4 teams, and even some right near there want to rebuild.

Can you really blame them for wanting to rebuild? I was projected third in the standings and for my team to be that good but still have such a difference in talent between my team and the 1st place and even 2nd place squads, it was very alarming.

Also, some teams are so lacking in quality players right now that it’ll be a few years before they’re moving up in the standings. That’s sort of sad to see.

[bwgood77]

Did we ever decide on number of keepers in dynasty this year? Is it 8, or 9 but you lose your draft pick? Or is it just 8?

Should maybe bump the dynasty thread so we don't just clutter this overall thread with dynasty thoughts. Seems so many teams are trying to rebuild leaving only a few to dominate at the top. This is like the real NBA was the last 5 years. No one will compete for years except like the same 4 teams, and even some right near there want to rebuild.

Can you really blame them for wanting to rebuild? I was projected third in the standings and for my team to be that good but still have such a difference in talent between my team and the 1st place and even 2nd place squads, it was very alarming.

Also, some teams are so lacking in quality players right now that it’ll be a few years before they’re moving up in the standings. That’s sort of sad to see.

Yeah, but you earn points here by how high you finish each year, so purposefully going younger to hopefully win in 7-8 years doesn't make sense. It's not like you get a real trophy or ring or can brag about how many championships you have. Well, I guess you could, but no one would really care that much.

[sunskerr]

Yeah, but you earn points here by how high you finish each year, so purposefully going younger to hopefully win in 7-8 years doesn't make sense. It's not like you get a real trophy or ring or can brag about how many championships you have. Well, I guess you could, but no one would really care that much.

There's a running tally of points year to year? If so, that's pretty cool. I did attempt to make win now trades, though. But the little injuries that my players kept getting have seriously added up. And it's roto, so short term injuries are still back breakers if they happen to multiple guys. I might finish poorly now, but my team will have the entire careers of Young and Fox, and more, so I can sort of just forget about my roster now and let time do its thing.

[bwgood77]

Yeah, but you earn points here by how high you finish each year, so purposefully going younger to hopefully win in 7-8 years doesn't make sense. It's not like you get a real trophy or ring or can brag about how many championships you have. Well, I guess you could, but no one would really care that much.

There's a running tally of points year to year? If so, that's pretty cool. I did attempt to make win now trades, though. But the little injuries that my players kept getting have seriously added up. And it's roto, so short term injuries are still back breakers if they happen to multiple guys. I might finish poorly now, but my team will have the entire careers of Young and Fox, and more, so I can sort of just forget about my roster now and let time do its thing.

That's what killed me, is injuries. I drafted what I think he is a pretty good team, especially at the time when Westbrook dropped to 8 like 3-4 years ago, but I also took Middleton who was out, very late since he was still there, so it hurt my first season a bit. Second season I think I finished fairly high after maybe middle of the pack first season. Then last year I was ravaged by injuries. I had so many I had like 5 guys out for a long time and Westbrook suddenly forgot how to shoot free throws after being very good (apparently because they changed a rule not allowing him to walk back to almost half court before each free throw or something weird like that) but anyway, I dropped big time, and then the same thing happened this year.

I (and batsmasher) decided to set up the point tally (16 points for 1st, on down for each year) to show who's been the best team over time.....since there had to be some incentive for people to continue to try.

We also put in a missed games rule where if you miss so many games, you drop a draft tier (with an injury exception...if you miss so many games due to injuries).....I missed a ton last year though and still managed to not miss the cut off to drop a tier (even though I earned the exception anyway).

There just has to be some incentives for not everyone to try to tank or just go young if they can't finish 1st. If you are top 5, it's always possible with injuries or whatever. I was commanding Premier this year until Hayward, Lowry and Lamb went down (and are all still out for awhile), and then I dropped to 5th. Curry going down hurt too considering it drastically impacted Draymond Green's game who was an early pick for me.

[bigfoot]

Did we ever decide on number of keepers in dynasty this year? Is it 8, or 9 but you lose your draft pick? Or is it just 8?

Should maybe bump the dynasty thread so we don't just clutter this overall thread with dynasty thoughts. Seems so many teams are trying to rebuild leaving only a few to dominate at the top. This is like the real NBA was the last 5 years. No one will compete for years except like the same 4 teams, and even some right near there want to rebuild.

As I recall it was either 7 and you keep your 1st round pick, or 8 and you don't get a first round pick.

[sunskerr]

That's what killed me, is injuries. I drafted what I think he is a pretty good team, especially at the time when Westbrook dropped to 8 like 3-4 years ago, but I also took Middleton who was out, very late since he was still there, so it hurt my first season a bit. Second season I think I finished fairly high after maybe middle of the pack first season. Then last year I was ravaged by injuries. I had so many I had like 5 guys out for a long time and Westbrook suddenly forgot how to shoot free throws after being very good (apparently because they changed a rule not allowing him to walk back to almost half court before each free throw or something weird like that) but anyway, I dropped big time, and then the same thing happened this year.

I (and batsmasher) decided to set up the point tally (16 points for 1st, on down for each year) to show who's been the best team over time.....since there had to be some incentive for people to continue to try.

We also put in a missed games rule where if you miss so many games, you drop a draft tier (with an injury exception...if you miss so many games due to injuries).....I missed a ton last year though and still managed to not miss the cut off to drop a tier (even though I earned the exception anyway).

There just has to be some incentives for not everyone to try to tank or just go young if they can't finish 1st. If you are top 5, it's always possible with injuries or whatever. I was commanding Premier this year until Hayward, Lowry and Lamb went down (and are all still out for awhile), and then I dropped to 5th. Curry going down hurt too considering it drastically impacted Draymond Green's game who was an early pick for me.

I should note that even with trading Richardson, Gordon, and Warren, I don't think I'll be a terrible team. There's always opportunity to play the waiver wire smart throughout the year. Also, I think with a chance to get a guy like Fox, that's a trade to make 100% of the time.

I agree with those incentives to not tank. However, for some teams it's basically unavoidable that they'll have to be in the gutter for a bit. And that's just the nature of drafting, which often has a lot more randomness than we like to attribute to it (random clumping of talent vs equal dispersion). Another thing that causes them to tank is that they are basically forced to take rookies (because of their star potential) during the free agent draft, and rookies tend to suck, so the cycle continues until they strike gold with a few of their rookies/young guys.

Hmm. Not that I'm suggesting anything, but I wonder how well doing a separate draft for rookies, and then doing a separate auction for the free agent nonkeepers, would go...

[bwgood77]

Did we ever decide on number of keepers in dynasty this year? Is it 8, or 9 but you lose your draft pick? Or is it just 8?

Should maybe bump the dynasty thread so we don't just clutter this overall thread with dynasty thoughts. Seems so many teams are trying to rebuild leaving only a few to dominate at the top. This is like the real NBA was the last 5 years. No one will compete for years except like the same 4 teams, and even some right near there want to rebuild.

As I recall it was either 7 and you keep your 1st round pick, or 8 and you don't get a first round pick.

I thought it might be that but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that benefits the great teams and could really potentially hurt the bad developing teams. I am pretty sure any team that would draft in the bottom four or maybe back half of the draft would probably keep 8 if they had 8 and likely do...but losing a draft pick is no big deal. But if a developing team had 8 guys, say 4 decent middle aged players and 4 1 or 2 year guys, they have to drop someone who might help them start to compete or they lose a top pick. Seems to really benefit good teams and may hurt bad teams, and probably doesn't add much to the pool. I have 8 I would like to keep (and could say 9) but continue to have injuries but like 3-4 have 3 years or less in the NBA so far. Maybe 5. Now I could pull off a trade, trying to dump an older guy, but everyone is already trying to do that.

I am not positive it's the best solution on second thought, even though I came up with it. Now I largely came up with it because I felt bad for you, but I am not sure it would be fair to others, and could benefit the good teams.

I will say that I think if we have a leaving owner, we should do a contraction an eliminate one team, and have a draft of their players in reverse order of record, from the last year or last 1 or 2 years. It would make the league more competitive and give us a better pool of free agents.

[bigfoot]

Did we ever decide on number of keepers in dynasty this year? Is it 8, or 9 but you lose your draft pick? Or is it just 8?

Should maybe bump the dynasty thread so we don't just clutter this overall thread with dynasty thoughts. Seems so many teams are trying to rebuild leaving only a few to dominate at the top. This is like the real NBA was the last 5 years. No one will compete for years except like the same 4 teams, and even some right near there want to rebuild.

As I recall it was either 7 and you keep your 1st round pick, or 8 and you don't get a first round pick.

I thought it might be that but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that benefits the great teams and could really potentially hurt the bad developing teams. I am pretty sure any team that would draft in the bottom four or maybe back half of the draft would probably keep 8 if they had 8 and likely do...but losing a draft pick is no big deal. But if a developing team had 8 guys, say 4 decent middle aged players and 4 1 or 2 year guys, they have to drop someone who might help them start to compete or they lose a top pick. Seems to really benefit good teams and may hurt bad teams, and probably doesn't add much to the pool. I have 8 I would like to keep (and could say 9) but continue to have injuries but like 3-4 have 3 years or less in the NBA so far. Maybe 5. Now I could pull off a trade, trying to dump an older guy, but everyone is already trying to do that.

I am not positive it's the best solution on second thought, even though I came up with it. Now I largely came up with it because I felt bad for you, but I am not sure it would be fair to others, and could benefit the good teams.

I will say that I think if we have a leaving owner, we should do a contraction an eliminate one team, and have a draft of their players in reverse order of record, from the last year or last 1 or 2 years. It would make the league more competitive and give us a better pool of free agents.

I still think a good way to determine the number of keepers is through a keeper cap. Your keepers must fit under a set salary based on a percentage (e.g., 120% to 130%) of the real NBA cap. Crappy teams will able to keep more because they will generally be younger rookie scale players. Teams that are loaded with a ton of high-end talent will not be able to retain it all. This would make the Dynasty league more like the real NBA.

[bwgood77]

As I recall it was either 7 and you keep your 1st round pick, or 8 and you don't get a first round pick.

I thought it might be that but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that benefits the great teams and could really potentially hurt the bad developing teams. I am pretty sure any team that would draft in the bottom four or maybe back half of the draft would probably keep 8 if they had 8 and likely do...but losing a draft pick is no big deal. But if a developing team had 8 guys, say 4 decent middle aged players and 4 1 or 2 year guys, they have to drop someone who might help them start to compete or they lose a top pick. Seems to really benefit good teams and may hurt bad teams, and probably doesn't add much to the pool. I have 8 I would like to keep (and could say 9) but continue to have injuries but like 3-4 have 3 years or less in the NBA so far. Maybe 5. Now I could pull off a trade, trying to dump an older guy, but everyone is already trying to do that.

I am not positive it's the best solution on second thought, even though I came up with it. Now I largely came up with it because I felt bad for you, but I am not sure it would be fair to others, and could benefit the good teams.

I will say that I think if we have a leaving owner, we should do a contraction an eliminate one team, and have a draft of their players in reverse order of record, from the last year or last 1 or 2 years. It would make the league more competitive and give us a better pool of free agents.

I still think a good way to determine the number of keepers is through a keeper cap. Your keepers must fit under a set salary based on a percentage (e.g., 120% to 130%) of the real NBA cap. Crappy teams will able to keep more because they will generally be younger rookie scale players. Teams that are loaded with a ton of high-end talent will not be able to retain it all. This would make the Dynasty league more like the real NBA.

I think it's a pretty good idea in some respects, but also kind of penalizes those who drafted well and took risks, like WG after being injured his first 2-3 years....and also may penalize good waiver moves. But your idea would force people to have a number of players on rookie contracts too and it would certainly be more competitive, but those who are trying to strictly build for the draft would have fewer young good players to take flyers on and hope they develop, which I did with my first 3 picks last year. I will probably definitely keep 2 of them, but likely not Reddish, though he certainly still has high upside. Hard to give up on Culver being my first pick after missing out on Barrett due to dropping a spot, but Goga is definitely a keeper for me, especially after dealing Gobert.

I think your team will be very strong soon because of Zion, Curry and Covington, and you could get a load for Curry if you traded him....probably enough to really set your team up well for the future.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'm generally against the salary cap thing. More so because I think it would be complicated to implement and track than it negatively impacting me. Hell I actually have a lot of guys on rookie deals so could make it work.

One unintended consequences would be far less 2nd and 3rd year guys would come available and those are the types that actually take leaps and are good draft picks.

I think it would be tough to find a cap number that hits the sweet spot of both creating a little parity but not so low that team are really strapped to keep their good players.

It would be also kind of brutal to put in place in one year because it's a radical change that would have impacted how teams were built.

I also am not sure it would really make a huge difference, teams will still keep their stars all it would make more available is the vet role player types who are off their rookie deals. Good teams would drop those guys and keep rookie deal guys instead. So back to my unintended consequences more role players would be available in the draft and less rookie contract guys and the vet role players would obviously be less likely to be breakout types than the rookie deal guys who would be there in a redraft.

Now if the majority of the league wants to do it then cool I'd adjust and not throw a fit.

IMO the size of the league creates a little parity with injuries. The waiver wire is so shallow that it's impossible to really replace good injured players so it's really a test to see what teams stay healthy.

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[MathiasPW]

We should never shoot down ideas based on the reason that they will mess up previously defined strategies/rosters.

If an idea is good, we implement it being mindful with the impacts it has on decisions made before. The cap one, for example, we can implement in stages, where we start with a very large cap figure that gets reduced gradually over time, so teams contending can adjust their roster over a couple of seasons (at least).

On the 8 or 7 keepers + 1st round pick idea, I still need to come up with a system that takes into account 1st round picks that get traded, so whoever's traded them can't just keep the 8th player every year.

Overall, I think the league has observed some up and down movement in standings, but there are a few consistent contenders and a few consistent bottomdwellers that may indicate we are not giving them a good enough chance to mix things up every season. The dynasty league should allow people to build over time and see the development of their good ideas, but should also give people the chance to compete every season. It's a fine balance.

[MrMiyagi]

I just feel like this is a weirdly injury-ridden NBA season, so it's hard to remain competitive if your team was hit by the injury bug. Which is to say people don't seem to just be throwing away their seasons. I'm 15th and only 2 of my positions are beyond the +1 to -1 range in games played (SF and PF are both -2). I've been pretty active on the Waiver-Wire, picking up Kendrick Nunn, Troy Brown, Willie Cauley-Stein, Kris Dunn (though I had traded for and kept him, then dropped him, then added him again), as well as Jahlil Okafor, DeAndre Bembry, Marvin Williams, and Donte DiVincenzo.

KD was out to start the season, Collins went down with a shoulder injury, Hayward broke his hand, and Marc Gasol passed away unexpectedly(maybe not so unexpectedly given his age and playing in the World Cup this offseason). That's my season. So either I can try to start selling off parts like WCJr, Bledsoe, Millsap, or I can hang on, keep making waiver-wire moves and hopefully be competitive next year. I feel like selling off is a greater risk for me, given that my "good" players aren't of a tier where they'd yield me young talent and rookies are a bit of a crapshoot (guessing that pick swaps would be the primary compensation for my players). So, I'm biding my time, hoping Simons gets traded to OKC or Cleveland so he can start and Markelle starts playing more that 24 minutes and Brown starts being consistent.