2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

[RayLight]

I expect CP3 to resign for 3 years for something like 90-95 million. It would really be good if the third year is a team option, but I doubt it. Give DA the max and give Bridges 18 mil a year.
Cam Payne for 10 mil, Craig for like 3.5 mil and try to trade Carter for a good defensive big, if possible.

I hope for a draft steal at 29 for a nice defensive specialist at C or PF or for our point guards of the future.

[saintEscaton]

We also once got a meeting with LeBron. Wasn't that cool?

Slightly different when you're playing and rooming with the dude for the next month, are the same age, and no doubt know each other. I'm happy you brought up LeBron though as the Heatles first were conceived in the Olympics that Wade, Bosh and Bron played in. Also I heard rumors that Kyrie and KD grew close in THEIR Olympics.....food for thought is all I'm saying.

Edit: So you're saying you'd rather have Mikal than Jason Tatum?

I'm saying that I doubt we have a shot at getting Tatum, and if we did, Boston would want Booker or Bridges in return anyway. Don't trade him in hopes that we can get Jayson Tatum later. Keep him. If Tatum becomes available, then make the move. This isn't rocket science. You don't throw away an excellent young guy who has improved each year in the league at the hope of potentially down the line adding someone who might not even ever be available to us.

Tatum was so hellbent on becoming Sun that he skipped a workout with the Celtics because he was convinced we would draft him at 4. Instead we drafted the megabust Josh Jackon, and we al know how that indefensible pick worked out even though he did look promisng as an uber athletic two way wing at the time

[enigmatics]

Tatum was so hellbent on becoming Sun that he skipped a workout with the Celtics because he was convinced we would draft him at 4. Instead we drafted the megabust Josh Jackon, and we al know how that indefensible pick worked out even though he did look promisng as an uber athletic two way wing at the time

Yeeeeesh. Totally forgot about that.

[saintEscaton]

Slightly different when you're playing and rooming with the dude for the next month, are the same age, and no doubt know each other. I'm happy you brought up LeBron though as the Heatles first were conceived in the Olympics that Wade, Bosh and Bron played in. Also I heard rumors that Kyrie and KD grew close in THEIR Olympics.....food for thought is all I'm saying.

Edit: So you're saying you'd rather have Mikal than Jason Tatum?

Mikal is just a glorified and limited role player nothing more with some room to grow. Tatum is a budding superstar. Give me the latter any day of the week

So he is something akin to Draymond Green or Andre Iguodala - good enough for me. Bridges is still only 24 - he has the room to improve and grow. Just because Tatum is better than Bridges now - doesn't mean Bridges doesn't have value

This mythical utopian idea that you are going to get five all stars or something on your roster is crazy. And of course, any team would like to have Jayson Tatum - but he is not realistic to trade for and BRidges still can get better.

Bridges is way too inconsistent doesn't have the offensive abiliity.. playmaking and advanced handle/off the dribble skills that those elite wings possess that elevate their games to the next level. I doubt he develops them in the future he is who is he offensively a decent three point shooter and finisher who can throw it down but can't create for others or himself really. He is a rich man's Trevor Ariza with more offense right now

[saintEscaton]

Tatum was so hellbent on becoming Sun that he skipped a workout with the Celtics because he was convinced we would draft him at 4. Instead we drafted the megabust Josh Jackon, and we al know how that indefensible pick worked out even though he did look promisng as an uber athletic two way wing at the time

Yeeeeesh. Totally forgot about that.

Totally inexcusable. Makes the Alex Len pick seem actually okay in comparison even though we took him over Noel, McCollum, Giannis and royally fu*ked up taking Bender and Chriss who also busted out. Glad Ryan McDummy is out of this organization he easily set us back more than a decade with his drafting, coaching hires and personnel decisions, free agency signings besides taking Booker and Warren. We treadmilled for so long and struck out on all our high picks, even the Ayton pick was questionable but it's looking better now even though of course I take Luka in a redraft 100 times out of 100 as BPA regardless of fit or need.

[kennydorglas]

Slightly different when you're playing and rooming with the dude for the next month, are the same age, and no doubt know each other. I'm happy you brought up LeBron though as the Heatles first were conceived in the Olympics that Wade, Bosh and Bron played in. Also I heard rumors that Kyrie and KD grew close in THEIR Olympics.....food for thought is all I'm saying.

Edit: So you're saying you'd rather have Mikal than Jason Tatum?

I'm saying that I doubt we have a shot at getting Tatum, and if we did, Boston would want Booker or Bridges in return anyway. Don't trade him in hopes that we can get Jayson Tatum later. Keep him. If Tatum becomes available, then make the move. This isn't rocket science. You don't throw away an excellent young guy who has improved each year in the league at the hope of potentially down the line adding someone who might not even ever be available to us.

Tatum was so hellbent on becoming Sun that he skipped a workout with the Celtics because he was convinced we would draft him at 4. Instead we drafted the megabust Josh Jackon, and we al know how that indefensible pick worked out even though he did look promisng as an uber athletic two way wing at the time

So Ainge wanted Jackson and Tatum wanted to be a Sun? Okay.

[BobbieL]

Mikal is just a glorified and limited role player nothing more with some room to grow. Tatum is a budding superstar. Give me the latter any day of the week

So he is something akin to Draymond Green or Andre Iguodala - good enough for me. Bridges is still only 24 - he has the room to improve and grow. Just because Tatum is better than Bridges now - doesn't mean Bridges doesn't have value

This mythical utopian idea that you are going to get five all stars or something on your roster is crazy. And of course, any team would like to have Jayson Tatum - but he is not realistic to trade for and BRidges still can get better.

Bridges is way too inconsistent doesn't have the offensive abiliity.. playmaking and advanced handle/off the dribble skills that those elite wings possess that elevate their games to the next level. I doubt he develops them in the future he is who is he offensively a decent three point shooter and finisher who can throw it down but can't create for others or himself really. He is a rich man's Trevor Ariza with more offense right now

Trevor Ariza was a solid contributor for many years on good teams -- save for 8 weeks on the Suns.

I still think Bridges can improve facets of his game. Only his third year in the league.

[darealjuice]

I think Mikal still has a fair amount of upside left. He's tightened up his handle a fair bit over the last few years and added that mid-range fading pull-up to his game last offseason to good success. Just needs to keep working at it and keep getting stronger. Very unlikely that he'll ever be a Paul George, Jayson Tatum, even Khris Middleton-type ball handler that will back up and try to break you down or consistently run the pick and roll, but he can develop into a really good straight line slasher with his length and finishing, and few people are blocking his mid-range pull-up with his release point. He'll be a very effective player if he continues to add that to his off-ball offense and 3-point shooting.

[saintEscaton]

I'm saying that I doubt we have a shot at getting Tatum, and if we did, Boston would want Booker or Bridges in return anyway. Don't trade him in hopes that we can get Jayson Tatum later. Keep him. If Tatum becomes available, then make the move. This isn't rocket science. You don't throw away an excellent young guy who has improved each year in the league at the hope of potentially down the line adding someone who might not even ever be available to us.

Tatum was so hellbent on becoming Sun that he skipped a workout with the Celtics because he was convinced we would draft him at 4. Instead we drafted the megabust Josh Jackon, and we al know how that indefensible pick worked out even though he did look promisng as an uber athletic two way wing at the time

So Ainge wanted Jackson and Tatum wanted to be a Sun? Okay.

Tatum definitely wanted to be a Suns not sure whether Ainge wanted Jackson but we did him a favor. Hopefully we can get a Big 4 of Simmons,Tatum, Booker, Ayton in the near future

[LV-Suns]

Slightly different when you're playing and rooming with the dude for the next month, are the same age, and no doubt know each other. I'm happy you brought up LeBron though as the Heatles first were conceived in the Olympics that Wade, Bosh and Bron played in. Also I heard rumors that Kyrie and KD grew close in THEIR Olympics.....food for thought is all I'm saying.

Edit: So you're saying you'd rather have Mikal than Jason Tatum?

I'm saying that I doubt we have a shot at getting Tatum, and if we did, Boston would want Booker or Bridges in return anyway. Don't trade him in hopes that we can get Jayson Tatum later. Keep him. If Tatum becomes available, then make the move. This isn't rocket science. You don't throw away an excellent young guy who has improved each year in the league at the hope of potentially down the line adding someone who might not even ever be available to us.

Tatum was so hellbent on becoming Sun that he skipped a workout with the Celtics because he was convinced we would draft him at 4. Instead we drafted the megabust Josh Jackon, and we al know how that indefensible pick worked out even though he did look promisng as an uber athletic two way wing at the time

It was Josh Jackson that was hell bent on being a Sun that he skipped the Boston workout. If I remember correctly, Tatum worked out for Boston after they made the trade down to 3. And Josh Jackson didn’t.

[saintEscaton]

I'm saying that I doubt we have a shot at getting Tatum, and if we did, Boston would want Booker or Bridges in return anyway. Don't trade him in hopes that we can get Jayson Tatum later. Keep him. If Tatum becomes available, then make the move. This isn't rocket science. You don't throw away an excellent young guy who has improved each year in the league at the hope of potentially down the line adding someone who might not even ever be available to us.

Tatum was so hellbent on becoming Sun that he skipped a workout with the Celtics because he was convinced we would draft him at 4. Instead we drafted the megabust Josh Jackon, and we al know how that indefensible pick worked out even though he did look promisng as an uber athletic two way wing at the time

It was Josh Jackson that was hell bent on being a Sun that he skipped the Boston workout. If I remember correctly, Tatum worked out for Boston after they made the trade down to 3. And Josh Jackson didn’t.

No it was Tatum https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/11/nba-boston-celtics-jayson-tatum-wanted-phoenix-suns-draft/

[BobbieL]

I'm saying that I doubt we have a shot at getting Tatum, and if we did, Boston would want Booker or Bridges in return anyway. Don't trade him in hopes that we can get Jayson Tatum later. Keep him. If Tatum becomes available, then make the move. This isn't rocket science. You don't throw away an excellent young guy who has improved each year in the league at the hope of potentially down the line adding someone who might not even ever be available to us.

Tatum was so hellbent on becoming Sun that he skipped a workout with the Celtics because he was convinced we would draft him at 4. Instead we drafted the megabust Josh Jackon, and we al know how that indefensible pick worked out even though he did look promisng as an uber athletic two way wing at the time

It was Josh Jackson that was hell bent on being a Sun that he skipped the Boston workout. If I remember correctly, Tatum worked out for Boston after they made the trade down to 3. And Josh Jackson didn’t.

This is the way I remember the story. McDunce wanted Josh , Josh wanted the Suns so Josh didn't work out for the Celtics.

[LV-Suns]

Tatum was so hellbent on becoming Sun that he skipped a workout with the Celtics because he was convinced we would draft him at 4. Instead we drafted the megabust Josh Jackon, and we al know how that indefensible pick worked out even though he did look promisng as an uber athletic two way wing at the time

It was Josh Jackson that was hell bent on being a Sun that he skipped the Boston workout. If I remember correctly, Tatum worked out for Boston after they made the trade down to 3. And Josh Jackson didn’t.

No it was Tatum https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/11/nba-boston-celtics-jayson-tatum-wanted-phoenix-suns-draft/

I think he wanted to come to Phoenix when Philly held the 3rd pick. Fultz was considered the consensus number pick. Tatum worked out for Boston once they made the trade.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19679832/boston-celtics-work-jayson-tatum-possible-selection-no-3-pick

[Ghost of Kleine]

It's interesting that you mention that, As I actually had a trade with the Raptors that brought back Baynes a little over a month ago. They were However interested in a Saric for Baynes swap. And were even willing to throw in a 2nd rounder to boot. I wonder if they would do a Carter for Baynes trade? Although...........

They do have Bembry and Flynn ( a slightly better 2 way guard) But he's still a rookie, So it could be possible? I would love to somehow still swap Saric for Baynes honestly though. Maybe a Saric and the 29th pick for Baynes and the 47th perhaps?

Minnesota was also willing to swap Carter for Okogies' expiring contract upon discussion in the trade forum. Also might look to Boston possibly for a Carter /29 for Robert Williams and the 45th pick?

If we traded Carter for the Timelord I'd be thrilled. He's exactly the kind of player we need. Efficient, low use, but incredibly effective. His Per 36 numbers are pretty crazy, 15/13/3 and he averages almost a 2:1 A/TO ratio.

No way Robert Williams is available for Carter, not even for Carter + #29. He is probably the best backup C in the league.

We would need to trade Cam Johnson to get Robert Williams.

Yeah! You're very right that they'd want a lot. For timelord I might even be willing to throw in a future lightly protected first or perhaps even Smith and the 29 ( max offer). Had Saric not been injured, Perhaps they might have been interested in a Saric and 29 for timelord and 45 swap? I mean they do still now have Thompson and Horford, But I'd be willing to up the offer slightly for him of course. But just not Cam Johnson at all.

And I would understand if they said no too! But I'm not really too worried if they did turn it down because this upcoming draft actually has a number of really great comparable prospects that could athletically provide what he does for the Celts with a little development. Check out Kai Jones (* If he falls) Greg Brown, Moses Wright.

[Biff]

The fact that you all are balking at including Smith in trades because it's "too much" are delusional. Smith is the worst lottery pick we've drafted so far. People keep telling me to be patient but for what? What has anyone seen from this kid that makes you think he can be a good NBA player? He's older than most rookies and had the worst stats of anyone drafted in the 1st round. He was a massive reach by James Jones.

You guys need to learn to cut your emotional ties with some of these players and look at things a little more objectively. I got into so many arguments (the same exact argument too) with some of you about Josh Jackson, Bender and Chriss over the years as well. Back then I got the same pushback (be patient, give them time) but you have to look at historical averages and determine probability from there. Is it possible Jalen Smith becomes a decent NBA player? Yes. Is it likely? I don't think so.

Stop holding onto the fact that we drafted him #10, he's not a lottery pick talent, he's a 2nd round talent at best.

[Slim Charless]

It was Josh Jackson that was hell bent on being a Sun that he skipped the Boston workout. If I remember correctly, Tatum worked out for Boston after they made the trade down to 3. And Josh Jackson didn’t.

No it was Tatum https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/11/nba-boston-celtics-jayson-tatum-wanted-phoenix-suns-draft/

I think he wanted to come to Phoenix when Philly held the 3rd pick. Fultz was considered the consensus number pick. Tatum worked out for Boston once they made the trade.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19679832/boston-celtics-work-jayson-tatum-possible-selection-no-3-pick

I think the larger point is he wanted to come here and might be convinced to sign here in a few years. Hopefully Book and him will get close in Japan and they work things out to make it happen come 2024.

[BobbieL]

No it was Tatum https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/11/nba-boston-celtics-jayson-tatum-wanted-phoenix-suns-draft/

I think he wanted to come to Phoenix when Philly held the 3rd pick. Fultz was considered the consensus number pick. Tatum worked out for Boston once they made the trade.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19679832/boston-celtics-work-jayson-tatum-possible-selection-no-3-pick

I think the larger point is he wanted to come here and might be convinced to sign here in a few years. Hopefully Book and him will get close in Japan and they work things out to make it happen come 2024.

He is signed through 2025; player option in 2026
Maybe he becomes available for trade by the Celtics but highly unlikely. He is 23 and the kind of player you build around. The Celtics got rid of Kemba, got Horford . They are building around Tatum

I have a feeling Book will be talking more to Javale than Jayson about coming to the Suns.

[saintEscaton]

The fact that you all are balking at including Smith in trades because it's "too much" are delusional. Smith is the worst lottery pick we've drafted so far. People keep telling me to be patient but for what? What has anyone seen from this kid that makes you think he can be a good NBA player? He's older than most rookies and had the worst stats of anyone drafted in the 1st round. He was a massive reach by James Jones.

You guys need to learn to cut your emotional ties with some of these players and look at things a little more objectively. I got into so many arguments (the same exact argument too) with some of you about Josh Jackson, Bender and Chriss over the years as well. Back then I got the same pushback (be patient, give them time) but you have to look at historical averages and determine probability from there. Is it possible Jalen Smith becomes a decent NBA player? Yes. Is it likely? I don't think so.

Stop holding onto the fact that we drafted him #10, he's not a lottery pick talent, he's a 2nd round talent at best.

Cam Johnson was also widely regarded as a second round talent and a huge reach after trading down but he worked out at the end thank god. We have an awful record with lotto picks, Book being the only steal and no one saw him becoming this good as he wasn't even a college starter as a one dimensional sixthman for Kentucky who looked like the next Doron Lamb more than a legit shot maker in the Beal mold/protege of Kobe

[saintEscaton]

I think he wanted to come to Phoenix when Philly held the 3rd pick. Fultz was considered the consensus number pick. Tatum worked out for Boston once they made the trade.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19679832/boston-celtics-work-jayson-tatum-possible-selection-no-3-pick

I think the larger point is he wanted to come here and might be convinced to sign here in a few years. Hopefully Book and him will get close in Japan and they work things out to make it happen come 2024.

He is signed through 2025; player option in 2026
Maybe he becomes available for trade by the Celtics but highly unlikely. He is 23 and the kind of player you build around. The Celtics got rid of Kemba, got Horford . They are building around Tatum

I have a feeling Book will be talking more to Javale than Jayson about coming to the Suns.

I think Tatum will be our first big name offseason FA acquisition in forever come whichever Summer he hits the market. Also looks like Kemba is headed to the Bulls

[King4Day]

Question:

IF we could convince Kawhi to come here, what would it take since we can't sign him outright?

I know Leonard wants to be close to home, but so did Paul and he is making it work in Phoenix, which is closer to San Diego than teams like Miami and Dallas.

If he told the Clips he's not returning, I wonder if a deal surrounding bridges, Dario, and other salary matchers could be done.
Would anyone do that?