Sarver ESPN story

[bwgood77]

The same people who voted for 45 most likely are supporting Booby $arver right now.

I doubt James Jones did. And it seems like the majority of people on this forum are liberal. I think even the ones on the right don't like Sarver.

Is anyone really backing him?

Just because the story doesn't seen terribly damning doesn't mean people are backing him.

I didn't say our forum. Go take a look at the GB. Different scenario over there. Either way I think this is approved by the other owners in an attempt to force Booby out.

The GB has it's share of people on the right, but not even close to a majority. Anyway, the poll there have over 2/3 of the people thinking he won't be forced out.

[bwgood77]

If Sarver refuses to answer for his actions, and based on his use of his lawyers in the ESPN report he likely will, then we should hear from other white people. How were Frank Kaminsky and Dario Šarić impacted by what Sarver has been accused of doing? Was NBA commissioner Adam Silver disgusted by Sarver’s language? Do the other white male owners condemn or condone Sarver’s actions?

https://theundefeated.com/features/phoenix-suns-owner-robert-sarver-report-is-an-issue-for-white-men-to-solve/

That guy is a little excessive in his characterization of the article and certainly isn't waiting for an investigation...I mean..this is a blowing stuff quite a bit out of proportion.

Sarver is accused of, among (many) other things, using the N-word more than a Quentin Tarantino script, incessantly professing his ownership of team employees, and making references to his sexual prowess, down to condom size. If true, the accusations paint Sarver as a tyrannical team owner who terrorized and harassed his employees simply for the joy of it.

[matt131]

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[lilfishi22]

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That's pretty out there if true

[Slim Charless]

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That's pretty out there if true

I just logged on. So Jalen rose is reporting that he heard Sarver say this? Or someone told him?

[cberry78]

So IF Sarver ends up owning ESPN, do we think he'll end up paying the Luxury Tax in the near future?

[Saberestar]

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[Bogyo]

I doubt James Jones did. And it seems like the majority of people on this forum are liberal. I think even the ones on the right don't like Sarver.

Is anyone really backing him?

Just because the story doesn't seen terribly damning doesn't mean people are backing him.

I didn't say our forum. Go take a look at the GB. Different scenario over there. Either way I think this is approved by the other owners in an attempt to force Booby out.

Let's be clear about what you mean by owners. Not the owners of other teams but the other owners of the Suns. With a large group of Suns owners publicly supporting Sarver, I think it is really one owner trying to get him forced out. That owner holds the second-largest share of the Suns.

Tricky situation. Read a couple articles, listened to a couple of podcasts (Raja for example). Most everybody wants him out (as I do), becouse he is an entitled boomer hedge fund baby bunghole, who acts cringworthy to say the least. He is also (most likely) a bit sexist and a bit racist, but can't really prove it as of now...
Most everybody thinks (as I do) that there is not enough factual evidence to force him out without a tape or email coming out, and that the ESPN story was not very good for the reasons some of us have outlined in the previous 10 pages (very old stories 10+,15+years with different standards then, painting somehing racist when it's not - just offensive dumb sht, only few people coming out with their names, and those have a good reason to get revenge against Sarver, painting the story like 70 plus people came out in interwievs against Sarver, when in reality they have interwieved 70 people, some didn't comment, some were backing Sarver and some told these horrible stories, etc... sht job ESPN).

Also, as for other owners (not Suns) - most of them have a background like Sarver (money, power, business leaders/owners). They don't really like Sarver from all reports I read. However, the thing they would like waaaay more less than Sarver, if all their background and communication for the past 15 years was investigated under microscope like Sarver's sht will be now. I think that about 50% of the owners did some similar stuff in the last 10-15 years in their business carreer or as an NBA team owner. Which is sad, and it shouldn't be like this, but that's what the people with money, power and fame do a lot of the times. More so than not. Who thinks they will be "brave" enough to vote Sarver out? About 50% of them (or more) could be afraid that they will be the next in line...

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[Bogyo]

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Yup. I just wrote my previous comments last paragraph when you posted this.
Other owners will not vote Sarver out, confirmed.
Also, waiting for another 5-10 stories like this to come out... cutthroat, capitalist environment with very powerful and very rich people at the top... geee, who would have thought that they do some heinous nasty sht???? I'm so surprised... I think that pretty much anyone with a 10+/15+ year career in a competitive business environment can tell you stories like this, about sexism (macho environment), overly demanding, narcissist, bullying boss with profanity-laced triads, etc...
This is why Sarver won't be voted out, unless tape or emails come out real quick with racist stuff.

[garrick]

If Sarver refuses to answer for his actions, and based on his use of his lawyers in the ESPN report he likely will, then we should hear from other white people. How were Frank Kaminsky and Dario Šarić impacted by what Sarver has been accused of doing? Was NBA commissioner Adam Silver disgusted by Sarver’s language? Do the other white male owners condemn or condone Sarver’s actions?

https://theundefeated.com/features/phoenix-suns-owner-robert-sarver-report-is-an-issue-for-white-men-to-solve/

That guy is a little excessive in his characterization of the article and certainly isn't waiting for an investigation...I mean..this is a blowing stuff quite a bit out of proportion.

Sarver is accused of, among (many) other things, using the N-word more than a Quentin Tarantino script, incessantly professing his ownership of team employees, and making references to his sexual prowess, down to condom size. If true, the accusations paint Sarver as a tyrannical team owner who terrorized and harassed his employees simply for the joy of it.

I read the article, it's pretty divisive and insinuating that Suns players and staff are supporting Sarver due to misguided loyalty when the author has no basis on which to claim that.

So while it will feel impactful to hear unfiltered feelings of Paul, Booker, Williams and Jones, who, in an act of self-preservation, defended Sarver, likely due to some misguided sense of loyalty that he will someday come to regret, actual structural changes will come from the actions of the people who look like Sarver.

[bigfoot]

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Yup. I just wrote my previous comments last paragraph when you posted this.
Other owners will not vote Sarver out, confirmed.
Also, waiting for another 5-10 stories like this to come out... cutthroat, capitalist environment with very powerful and very rich people at the top... geee, who would have thought that they do some heinous nasty sht???? I'm so surprised... I think that pretty much anyone with a 10+/15+ year career in a competitive business environment can tell you stories like this, about sexism (macho environment), overly demanding, narcissist, bullying boss with profanity-laced triads, etc...
This is why Sarver won't be voted out, unless tape or emails come out real quick with racist stuff.

Gonna be tough when Monty, Booker, or CP3 can't yell at Ayton anymore because it will be considered a toxic and bullying environment. Have to imagine Michael Jordan should be removed too since he can't be much different in the front office than on the court.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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That's pretty out there if true

I'd have to ponder ( whether true or not) If/ once Ayton and other players on our team come across this, How it will affect Aytons' perspective of possibly resigning with the Suns. Would he forego that additional money to get out of this potentially toxic environment? Would other players on our team reconsider resigning with us even if it was just strong conjecture? Players have a tendency to respect and listen to fellow players over their bosses in these situations I'd think?

Clearly though, All of these horrific allegations should end up really hampering us from getting any quality free agents in the league now?
Agree or disagree?

[Ghost of Kleine]

I didn't say our forum. Go take a look at the GB. Different scenario over there. Either way I think this is approved by the other owners in an attempt to force Booby out.

Let's be clear about what you mean by owners. Not the owners of other teams but the other owners of the Suns. With a large group of Suns owners publicly supporting Sarver, I think it is really one owner trying to get him forced out. That owner holds the second-largest share of the Suns.

Tricky situation. Read a couple articles, listened to a couple of podcasts (Raja for example). Most everybody wants him out (as I do), becouse he is an entitled boomer hedge fund baby bunghole, who acts cringworthy to say the least. He is also (most likely) a bit sexist and a bit racist, but can't really prove it as of now...
Most everybody thinks (as I do) that there is not enough factual evidence to force him out without a tape or email coming out, and that the ESPN story was not very good for the reasons some of us have outlined in the previous 10 pages (very old stories 10+,15+years with different standards then, painting somehing racist when it's not - just offensive dumb sht, only few people coming out with their names, and those have a good reason to get revenge against Sarver, painting the story like 70 plus people came out in interwievs against Sarver, when in reality they have interwieved 70 people, some didn't comment, some were backing Sarver and some told these horrible stories, etc... sht job ESPN).

Also, as for other owners (not Suns) - most of them have a background like Sarver (money, power, business leaders/owners). They don't really like Sarver from all reports I read. However, the thing they would like waaaay more less than Sarver, if all their background and communication for the past 15 years was investigated under microscope like Sarver's sht will be now. I think that about 50% of the owners did some similar stuff in the last 10-15 years in their business carreer or as an NBA team owner. Which is sad, and it shouldn't be like this, but that's what the people with money, power and fame do a lot of the times. More so than not. Who thinks they will be "brave" enough to vote Sarver out? About 50% of them (or more) could be afraid that they will be the next in line...

[Bogyo]

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Yup. I just wrote my previous comments last paragraph when you posted this.
Other owners will not vote Sarver out, confirmed.
Also, waiting for another 5-10 stories like this to come out... cutthroat, capitalist environment with very powerful and very rich people at the top... geee, who would have thought that they do some heinous nasty sht???? I'm so surprised... I think that pretty much anyone with a 10+/15+ year career in a competitive business environment can tell you stories like this, about sexism (macho environment), overly demanding, narcissist, bullying boss with profanity-laced triads, etc...
This is why Sarver won't be voted out, unless tape or emails come out real quick with racist stuff.

Gonna be tough when Monty, Booker, or CP3 can't yell at Ayton anymore because it will be considered a toxic and bullying environment. Have to imagine Michael Jordan should be removed too since he can't be much different in the front office than on the court.

Yeah, this is why I say tricky situation... I come from a very competitive environment (I'm a trader at a fairly big bank), so I have seen and experienced some of these type bosses. Other than racism I think I've pretty much seen it or heard it all, and not everyone is cut out for these type of jobs/situations... and some people thrive in it... but there is a line which should be allowed and a line which should not be allowed - you can let people go without being an aaahole, and you can motivate people without being an aaahole, etc...
But I guess this can be said for pretty much every profession, wether you are in the army, or teaching at an elemetry school, or in media or sales of any kind or lawyer or some kind of goverment function, etc... good people and bad people everywhere... but there should be a line that you can't cross anywhere, racism being one, blatant sexism another. But cases have to be strong, becouse if it's only this he said/she said situation it's not really moving us forward, and there will be other bad people who take advantage of a situation like this.

(Like how Ben Simmons takes advantage of the Sixers claiming he has mental health issues, while he does not take the help offered by the Sixers solving those mental health issues. I'm pretty sure he has one mental health issue - he has to play for the Sixers. And I'm fuming becouse he is playing this card while people with real mental health issues get overlooked, or they will be not taken seriously becouse of cases like Simmons, who most likely only wants to get paid and still not show up for his team. Disgusting - IF my hunch is right about it.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Bogyo and many others are making good points on here! It seems though as if this is now beginning to snowball a bit! What with other franchises now starting to be under investigation as well, there'll be significant mounting pressure for the league to actually remove Sarver! I believe that with mounting pressure from public sentiment, The owners will unite together with the league to eventually oust Sarver in interest of placating the public as much as possible to try and kill this thing before it continues to grow and affect more fellow owners. I just think they'd get rid of the source to create the perception that they're aligned on the right side of this in the Hope's of it stopping with Saver once he's gone rather than reaching their doorsteps as well.

[King4Day]

Thought this was funny (from reddit)

"A look back at Robert Sarver's time with the organization"

https://imgur.com/a/x6nusgm

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That's pretty out there if true

I just logged on. So Jalen rose is reporting that he heard Sarver say this? Or someone told him?

The way Jalen says this and how the rest of the crew barely responds to me sounds like he's throwing it there as just a hypothetical statement based off the Draymond story.

[handsome salary]

Bogyo and many others are making good points on here! It seems though as if this is now beginning to snowball a bit! What with other franchises now starting to be under investigation as well, there'll be significant mounting pressure for the league to actually remove Sarver! I believe that with mounting pressure from public sentiment, The owners will unite together with the league to eventually oust Sarver in interest of placating the public as much as possible to try and kill this thing before it continues to grow and affect more fellow owners. I just think they'd get rid of the source to create the perception that they're aligned on the right side of this in the Hope's of it stopping with Saver once he's gone rather than reaching their doorsteps as well.

If they do oust him mainly because of it's bringing to much heat to other organizations **** behavior does Sarver start lobbing bombs on the way out? He doesn't seem like he'd fall on the sword quietly for the good of the league. "You're getting rid of me while these owners and GMs have done...".

[Jdiddy701]

Anyone think that if Sarver is NOT forced to sell, that he decides he wants to sell any way? I know I’m dreaming but I think that’s what’s best for him.


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