2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation

Bogyo · Post #201 » by **Bogyo** » Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:24 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:How do we have 4 injuries a week before season

I'd think (hope) most of them are BS, dudes just resting.

Frank Lee · Post #202 » by **Frank Lee** » Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:21 pm

Elephant in the room

Who plays more games….

a) Nurk
b) KD
c) Book
d) Beal
e) TJones

We are as deep as we have been in years… i would hope/expect Bud to trim minutes and practice a subtle form of load management.

Post #203 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Oct 13, 2024 1:38 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Elephant in the room

Who plays more games….

a) Nurk
b) KD
c) Book
d) Beal
e) TJones

We are as deep as we have been in years… i would hope/expect Bud to trim minutes and practice a subtle form of load management.

Jones. KD has been his healthiest in years last year, so we'd be lucky if that happened again. Beal was mostly fine once his back was better aside from landing on someone's foot jumping and getting punched in the face. So those were more random. Booker's recurring ankle/hamstring issues are a bit concerning. No idea about Nurkic.

I think it's kind of a toss up. If we can get more than 65 out of the other guys, that's good. But I think there is a chance for 70 or more with any of them. Nurkic had his most games played in a while last season too, at 76 (KD 75), but Nurkic had two seasons in the 50s prior to that after a 37 game season and an 8 game season.

The main thing for KD and Nurk is we don't want them to start having issues, because Nurkic has had a lot of issues in the past and at 30 as a big you never know. And KD has has really major issues up until last year. Beal had the one major issue that took a few years to get over, but that seems behind him...and Booker just has some recurring issues and seems to pull his hamstring often or sometimes the ankle. Ankle's seem more random though, depending on how you land after jumping often.

Bogyo · Post #204 » by **Bogyo** » Sun Oct 13, 2024 3:10 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Elephant in the room

Who plays more games….

a) Nurk
b) KD
c) Book
d) Beal
e) TJones

We are as deep as we have been in years… i would hope/expect Bud to trim minutes and practice a subtle form of load management.

Jones. KD has been his healthiest in years last year, so we'd be lucky if that happened again. Beal was mostly fine once his back was better aside from landing on someone's foot jumping and getting punched in the face. So those were more random. Booker's recurring ankle/hamstring issues are a bit concerning. No idea about Nurkic.

I think it's kind of a toss up. If we can get more than 65 out of the other guys, that's good. But I think there is a chance for 70 or more with any of them. Nurkic had his most games played in a while last season too, at 76 (KD 75), but Nurkic had two seasons in the 50s prior to that after a 37 game season and an 8 game season.

The main thing for KD and Nurk is we don't want them to start having issues, because Nurkic has had a lot of issues in the past and at 30 as a big you never know. And KD has has really major issues up until last year. Beal had the one major issue that took a few years to get over, but that seems behind him...and Booker just has some recurring issues and seems to pull his hamstring often or sometimes the ankle. Ankle's seem more random though, depending on how you land after jumping often.

Was about to say kinda the same. If I were a betting man, I wouldn't bet on KD having such a healthy year (ever?) again in the future... This is the most concerning, as we do not have a good (or really any reliable) PF/big wing behind him who can both shoot and defend at least adequatly.

sunsbg · Post #205 » by **sunsbg** » Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:24 pm

If the universe is about to balance out the likelyhood of KD staying healthy isn't it balancing out the chance of Suns winning a championship ?

Mulhollanddrive · Post #206 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Oct 14, 2024 2:38 am

Dunn and Ighodaro look good, extraordinary progress from SL.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #207 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:58 am

Depth could be huge to manage our starters.

Gillespie, Lee, Okogie, O'Neale, Ighodaro are all playable in regular season as 11-15.

Jones, Beal, Booker, Durant, Nurkic
Morris, Allen, Dunn, Bol, Plumlee

dremill24 · Post #208 » by **dremill24** » Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:06 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Depth could be huge to manage our starters.

Gillespie, Lee, Okogie, O'Neale, Ighodaro are all playable in regular season as 11-15.

Jones, Beal, Booker, Durant, Nurkic
Morris, Allen, Dunn, Bol, Plumlee

Theres just no way Im playing Bol over O'Neale.

Saberestar · Post #209 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Oct 14, 2024 12:19 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Depth could be huge to manage our starters.

Gillespie, Lee, Okogie, O'Neale, Ighodaro are all playable in regular season as 11-15.

Jones, Beal, Booker, Durant, Nurkic
Morris, Allen, Dunn, Bol, Plumlee

O'Neale IN and Bol OUT on the second unit.

Post #210 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:11 pm

sunskerr wrote:
Bogyo wrote:Soooo, excuse my ignorance, but whats up with Dunn's shot? Looking at preseason highlights it doesn't look bad, and it goes in a decent clip from 3. I know he is a bit on a hot streak probably, but howcome the horrible %s on FTs and 3 pointers in the NCAA?

Your guess is as good as anyones. Confidence is a small part of it. But we're talking about a guy who a few months ago was airballing consecutive floaters during a casual-paced shootaround. This type of turnaround, if real (and I think we still need to be cautious), is a very, very, very rare occurrence.

I think confidence plays a huge part. Another thing is that if he only took 65 3s in his whole college career he simply hadn't had a lot of volume shooting 3s. The big knock was his confidence shooting them, not wanting to shoot and just passing the ball quickly even if open.

It's not like he shot a ton at a bad %, like Smart or Westbrook, where improvement is extremely unlikely. I will admit I did not think he'd do it, not only because of the bad % and the hesitation but the bad FT%.

But maybe kind of like TJ Warren, who was always hesitant, when he worked one summer with a shooting coach and started shooting them with confidence and no hesitation, he was over 40%.

It reminds me of D'Antoni, where the players said he didn't ever get mad if you took 3s, but got mad if you passed up open ones. He empowered people to put them up, and people shot career %s, like Joe Johnson shooting 46% and Q shooting a record #.

Bud is kind of the same way.

But maybe because he never really shot them and maybe didn't practice them much, the fact that now he has Bud and good shooters around him, they have empowered him through confidence and no hesitation.

I am still cautiously optimistic, because the preseason is a lot different than the regular season, but I am very impressed, and it appears he will hit them at A LOT better rate than I thought.

And if he can get over 35% with a lot of volume, can't be left open, or close to 40%, he is a VERY valuable player. A top tier defender who will knock down 3s. Others like Smart and Dort don't hit them well, or it took Dort a while.

Lets hope it continues. I wonder if he keeps it up if we will play a lot with KD at C and him at PF. But if so we will need to crash the board. But regardless, if he keeps it up he will get a lot of minutes even if off the bench, and any time a main guy is out, he could start.

Saberestar · Post #211 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:06 pm

Read on Twitter

Kaminsky continues on the team for now.

grumpysaddle · Post #212 » by **grumpysaddle** » Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:39 am

Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

Kaminsky continues on the team for now.

We need to keep Frank. For the vibes and as an insurance big.

RedIndian · Post #213 » by **RedIndian** » Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:24 am

Don't mind keeping Frank, especially if Nurk continues to remain injured

That said, I'd want to keep a roster spot open - think Gillespie is someone we'd want to keep long term, especially given both Tyus and Monte are unlikely to return next year.

Plus you'd like to keep one open roster spot for trade flexibility or buyout candidates

Saberestar · Post #214 » by **Saberestar** » Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:01 am

RedIndian wrote:Don't mind keeping Frank, especially if Nurk continues to remain injured

That said, I'd want to keep a roster spot open - think Gillespie is someone we'd want to keep long term, especially given both Tyus and Monte are unlikely to return next year.

Plus you'd like to keep one open roster spot for trade flexibility or buyout candidates

Yeah, I agree.

A non guaranteed contract would be perfect for Kaminsky. We can cut him before January if he is not needed at that point of the season.

Post #215 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:47 pm

RedIndian wrote:Don't mind keeping Frank, especially if Nurk continues to remain injured

That said, I'd want to keep a roster spot open - think Gillespie is someone we'd want to keep long term, especially given both Tyus and Monte are unlikely to return next year.

Plus you'd like to keep one open roster spot for trade flexibility or buyout candidates

From having zero PGs a season ago to now potentially not having enough roster spots to house 3 good PGs is nuts

I love what I've seen from Gillespie (really can't be understated) and having 3 solid to really damn good PG options is honestly a good problem to have but the issue is that we need Monte/Tyus for obvious reasons and giving a final spot to Gillespie who may present as many cons (size, defense, playability in post-season, inexperience, too deep) as pros over another position of need like a role that Frank could play.

I would love to convert Gillespie to a full spot but it's an opportunity cost issue. Do you have 3 PG's who are honestly undersized, not that great defensively, do much of the same things at varying levels and we'll have issue finding minutes at all for that 3rd guy (barring injury) or do you keep a roster spot open for a buyout guy, potentially someone like Bridges who may end up stepping up and being a valuable 3&D guy or just more depth/size in the front court?

Logically and if I'm someone from the outside looking in, I just can't have 3 PG's on the team when every single roster spot is valuable.

Post #216 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:55 am

The Knicks have a lot of ex Suns. Bridges, Payne, Shamet, Warren.

Post #217 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:05 am

bwgood77 wrote:The Knicks have a lot of ex Suns. Bridges, Payne, Shamet, Warren.

We have a lot of ex Nuggets: Monte, Bol Bol, Plumlee and Gillespie

MrMiyagi · Post #218 » by **MrMiyagi** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:36 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:The Knicks have a lot of ex Suns. Bridges, Payne, Shamet, Warren.

We have a lot of ex Nuggets: Monte, Bol Bol, Plumlee and Gillespie

Don't forget our Wizards!

Post #219 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:57 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:The Knicks have a lot of ex Suns. Bridges, Payne, Shamet, Warren.

We have a lot of ex Nuggets: Monte, Bol Bol, Plumlee and Gillespie
Don't forget our Wizards!

And 3 Dukies..

Mr Puddles · Post #220 » by **Mr Puddles** » Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:19 am

bwgood77 wrote:The Knicks have a lot of ex Suns. Bridges, Payne, Shamet, Warren.

Does this mean Marcus Morris is officially no longer with the team? The Knicks were my pick of teams to watch in the East due to Suns connection and because the Bridges/OG duo was something I always wanted for the Suns - however, I can't in good consciousness root for a team with either one of the Morris brothers on it, so that would have been a deal breaker.