The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[sunskerr]

Wolves trade framework is interesting. I can see why the FO likes it.

This is not a personal endorsement of this trade by any stretch. I'm just analyzing it from the view of what our FO has stated it wants to do around Booker and it makes sense from that perspective.

Divincenzo is a much much better fit at starting PG next to Booker and Beal who are more strictly SGs. He's a 3&D who would have started well with Booker/KD.

Gobert is a C who is much better than Richards even if Gobert gets exploited in the playoffs. We could try to find a quick-footed backup center to come off the bench.

Then Dillingham and a pick are the prospects. Don't know much about Dillingham other than he was from last years notoriously weak class.

Also just read the Raptors offer. Take that and run? That's gotta be as good as it gets.

[BobbieL]

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So Jabari is on the table apparently…

It's been mentioned a few times already. I'm not a Jalen fan but I'm not making him the dealbreaker if it gets us FRP's and Jabari

This was my thought that would Ishbia and Gregory be able to construct a three team deal . As just because Green is offered - doesn't mean he needs to stay with the Suns. Are they that singularly focused

I mean Bob Myers took D'Lo with the purpose of trading him and the Twolves took the bait

[One_and_Done]

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So Jabari is on the table apparently…

Just trade Green to another team... problem solved

Smith
Green
2025 and 2027 OR 2029 Suns picks

Granted, not sure the market for Green

I don't know if you're trying to speak it into existence, but I don't think the Rockets are crazy enough to give you your picks back.

[sunskerr]

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So Jabari is on the table apparently…

It's been mentioned a few times already. I'm not a Jalen fan but I'm not making him the dealbreaker if it gets us FRP's and Jabari

This was my thought that would Ishbia and Gregory be able to construct a three team deal . As just because Green is offered - doesn't mean he needs to stay with the Suns. Are they that singularly focused

I mean Bob Myers took D'Lo with the purpose of trading him and the Twolves took the bait

I'm wondering if Green has a negative value around the league, anywhere from slightly to fairly negative. We could use that as leverage to get like two of picks back for "taking on that contract" possibly.

[lilfishi22]

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So Jabari is on the table apparently…

Just trade Green to another team... problem solved

Smith
Green
2025 and 2027 OR 2029 Suns picks

Granted, not sure the market for Green

I don't know if you're trying to speak it into existence, but I don't think the Rockets are crazy enough to give you your picks back.

They have 3 of ours. I'd be fine with just one.

[TeamTragic]

Rockets and Spurs are not going to up their offers.

Move on and negotiate with the Wolves/Raptors.

[thamadkant]

If the Raptors offer is true... Suns have to take it.

IQ is worth another two mid-first round picks and Barrett is actually under rated considering he's a legit 20/5/5 player who can handle the ball... just need better defense. He's also worth a couple of mid-first round picks. He can start on the Suns as main ball handler and have Booker and Dunn off ball , then Beal back Booker and Barrett up as main 6th man is not a bad plan. But need an athletic rebounder next to Poetl.... really keen on Isaacs.

Quite the rosy assessment

Yes. Bur the caveat is Mid-First and later. As in Pick 16 to 30.

Both IQ and Barrett has proven they are rotation players who are young and yet to get to their primes. Barrett has put up over 15/5/5 since his rookie year under two different coaches and systems... he has talent.

If Mikal is worth 5 first rounders no protection.... Barrett and IQ is at minimum worthy a couple of mid to late first rounders each.

[One_and_Done]

Rockets and Spurs are not going to up their offers.

Move on and negotiate with the Wolves/Raptors.

I've heard this alot, where ppl say 'fine. They don't get KD!!!' The problem is when you say that about every team's offer, what's left? If those rumoured Wolves/Raptors offers are really out there, then I agree you should take them, but are they?

The reporting is mixed. Some sources say the Wolves won't do it unless KD is willing to go there, and the Raps rumours are that they 'might' be willing to move the #9, meaning right now it's not on the table.

[starbosa10]

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Might be the best trade. Probably worth seeing if Barrett can be send somewhere else for additional picks or young players.

Easily take this over the Minny offer and I'm not even the biggest fan of this offer

This can't even be the offer financially lol it has to be RJ or Quickley with Poetl +9

[starbosa10]

If the Raptors offer is true... Suns have to take it.

IQ is worth another two mid-first round picks and Barrett is actually under rated considering he's a legit 20/5/5 player who can handle the ball... just need better defense. He's also worth a couple of mid-first round picks. He can start on the Suns as main ball handler and have Booker and Dunn off ball , then Beal back Booker and Barrett up as main 6th man is not a bad plan. But need an athletic rebounder next to Poetl.... really keen on Isaacs.

Quite the rosy assessment

Yes. Bur the caveat is Mid-First and later. As in Pick 16 to 30.

Both IQ and Barrett has proven they are rotation players who are young and yet to get to their primes. Barrett has put up over 15/5/5 since his rookie year under two different coaches and systems... he has talent.

If Mikal is worth 5 first rounders no protection.... Barrett and IQ is at minimum worthy a couple of mid to late first rounders each.

RJ and IQ make more than KD, we can't bring them in together for KD. It's one or the other with Poetl

[Slim Charless]

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So Jabari is on the table apparently…

It's been mentioned a few times already. I'm not a Jalen fan but I'm not making him the dealbreaker if it gets us FRP's and Jabari

Doesn't say we're getting our picks back. I wonder if Houston is including those currently and if so, which ones?

[lilfishi22]

Rockets and Spurs are not going to up their offers.

Move on and negotiate with the Wolves/Raptors.

I've heard this alot, where ppl say 'fine. They don't get KD!!!' The problem is when you say that about every team's offer, what's left? If those rumoured Wolves/Raptors offers are really out there, then I agree you should take them, but are they?

The reporting is mixed. Some sources say the Wolves won't do it unless KD is willing to go there, and the Raps rumours are that they 'might' be willing to move the #9, meaning right now it's not on the table.

I haven't seen anything saying the Rockets and Spurs have already put forward their absolute final offer and are done with any further discussions.

[lilfishi22]

If the Raptors offer is true... Suns have to take it.

IQ is worth another two mid-first round picks and Barrett is actually under rated considering he's a legit 20/5/5 player who can handle the ball... just need better defense. He's also worth a couple of mid-first round picks. He can start on the Suns as main ball handler and have Booker and Dunn off ball , then Beal back Booker and Barrett up as main 6th man is not a bad plan. But need an athletic rebounder next to Poetl.... really keen on Isaacs.

Quite the rosy assessment

Yes. Bur the caveat is Mid-First and later. As in Pick 16 to 30.

Both IQ and Barrett has proven they are rotation players who are young and yet to get to their primes. Barrett has put up over 15/5/5 since his rookie year under two different coaches and systems... he has talent.

If Mikal is worth 5 first rounders no protection.... Barrett and IQ is at minimum worthy a couple of mid to late first rounders each.

Mikal wasn't really worth that though was he? It was a clear overpay. I think Mikal is probably worth closer to 3 unprotected picks. IQ might be worth a mid-late first rounder but not 2.

[TeamTragic]

Rockets and Spurs are not going to up their offers.

Move on and negotiate with the Wolves/Raptors.

I've heard this alot, where ppl say 'fine. They don't get KD!!!' The problem is when you say that about every team's offer, what's left? If those rumoured Wolves/Raptors offers are really out there, then I agree you should take them, but are they?

The reporting is mixed. Some sources say the Wolves won't do it unless KD is willing to go there, and the Raps rumours are that they 'might' be willing to move the #9, meaning right now it's not on the table.

I haven't seen anything saying the Rockets and Spurs have already put forward their absolute final offer and are done with any further discussions.

There is a report that Spurs are keeping their assets for a young star and the Rockets are offering Green and no future picks.

That doesn't sound like a team that is seriously interested in KD compared with the Wolves/Raptors offer.

[matt131]

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Nice

[Slim Charless]

Quite the rosy assessment

Yes. Bur the caveat is Mid-First and later. As in Pick 16 to 30.

Both IQ and Barrett has proven they are rotation players who are young and yet to get to their primes. Barrett has put up over 15/5/5 since his rookie year under two different coaches and systems... he has talent.

If Mikal is worth 5 first rounders no protection.... Barrett and IQ is at minimum worthy a couple of mid to late first rounders each.

RJ and IQ make more than KD, we can't bring them in together for KD. It's one or the other with Poetl

Dinos should just keep all of that and give us Scottie Barnes lol. I'd do that straight swap all day.

[Blonde]

Quickley/Poeltl/9 gets us a starting PG and Center and a lottery pick with lots of forwards available at that range. I think I just lock that deal up if it’s really on the table unless Houston is ready to offer more picks or Miami makes Ware available.

[thamadkant]

Yes. Bur the caveat is Mid-First and later. As in Pick 16 to 30.

Both IQ and Barrett has proven they are rotation players who are young and yet to get to their primes. Barrett has put up over 15/5/5 since his rookie year under two different coaches and systems... he has talent.

If Mikal is worth 5 first rounders no protection.... Barrett and IQ is at minimum worthy a couple of mid to late first rounders each.

RJ and IQ make more than KD, we can't bring them in together for KD. It's one or the other with Poetl

Dinos should just keep all of that and give us Scottie Barnes lol. I'd do that straight swap all day.

Booker for Barnes I'd even add a first rounder.

[dremill24]

It's been mentioned a few times already. I'm not a Jalen fan but I'm not making him the dealbreaker if it gets us FRP's and Jabari

This was my thought that would Ishbia and Gregory be able to construct a three team deal . As just because Green is offered - doesn't mean he needs to stay with the Suns. Are they that singularly focused

I mean Bob Myers took D'Lo with the purpose of trading him and the Twolves took the bait

I'm wondering if Green has a negative value around the league, anywhere from slightly to fairly negative. We could use that as leverage to get like two of picks back for "taking on that contract" possibly.

I said this about Green the other day in a different thread pertaining to the Jazz

I think the hate for Green is going a little overboard at this point. He didnt look good in his first playoffs on a team with little other creation, yes. But hes still just 23 with ball skills and crazy athletic tools.

I think buying low, even treating him as a slightly positive asset, especially for the Jazz would not be a bad option at all. Their books are very clean and he provides both a talent upgrade now and upside for the future.

Maybe the lack of a major leap so far is cause to just be out on him, but as long as you're not giving up premium assets, I think Utah would be a decent fit actually.

Everyone is just so reactionary and tethered to only the last thing they saw. Things change all the time, and many times the people who show some patience and dont overreact win out in the (relative) long run. I think some team with only low-to-improving expectations and a young core could view him as a slightly positive asset that they can buy low on.

Its possible he just never gets better of course, maybe Im just willing it into existence because I'd like to be able to reroute him in a KD deal. But like...I dont think Green to Utah for, say, Clarkson and Hendricks is totally crazy. They've got a new GM who didnt draft Hendricks and he is still quite unproven himself. I'd call that giving up an asset but not an outlandish one.

[dremill24]

I don't get why people are poopoo-ing Vassell and Green and Gobert but at the same time getting excited about Barrett and Poeltl?