2019 season speculation including trade ideas

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If we are going to trade for Love, being that he's Jones friend and Jones seems to like white men that can't jump or play much D, this isn't a bad one that makes sense (though I'd like the pick to be lotto protected with never reduced protection).

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Would hate to send Saric to the Rockets, but thought he would be a perfect fit there. Is Love really worth 2 1st round picks? We only got a 2nd round pick for Warren and he was putting up better numbers last year than what Love is currently putting up this season. If we are trying to outbid someone I could see this kind of proposal coming to fruition.

Glad to see you are aboard the Love train!

Really wish they could update the stupid smilies and not use the same ones from 1984.

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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/jimmy-butler-fines-heat-teammate-bam-adebayo-500-for-every-game-he-doesnt-attempt-a-threepointer-230309439.html

Suns should do this with Ayton!

in ten games time, it will read... Devin-Booker-fines-teammate-DeAndre-Ayton-500-for-every-game-he-attempts-a-threepointer-after-missing-all-five-threepoint-attempts-per-game-in-the-last-ten-games.

Devin booker hasn't earned the right to be leader till he makes the playoffs and can show he can be a #1

I've been pretty happy with Booker the last two games. He's been ultra aggressive similar to last year, except he still performed efficiently. As long as he doesn't show disinterest like in a lot of games this year, I'm happy with him. Hoping Ayton can be the #1 option. Or, hoping both Booker & Ayton can at least be 2 #2 guys. Very hard to get a #1 guy in this league, I feel there are only a handful.

[Dual]

If its Kaminsky instead of Saric and Carter instead Okobo, that would be perfect.

[bwgood77]

If we are going to trade for Love, being that he's Jones friend and Jones seems to like white men that can't jump or play much D, this isn't a bad one that makes sense (though I'd like the pick to be lotto protected with never reduced protection).

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1916493

Would hate to send Saric to the Rockets, but thought he would be a perfect fit there. Is Love really worth 2 1st round picks? We only got a 2nd round pick for Warren and he was putting up better numbers last year than what Love is currently putting up this season. If we are trying to outbid someone I could see this kind of proposal coming to fruition.

Glad to see you are aboard the Love train!

Really wish they could update the stupid smilies and not use the same ones from 1984.

I wouldn't say I'm aboard it. I thought we were playing great with Baynes, even with Ayton out, so think we could look VERY VERY good with Baynes and Ayton and our current roster and not strap us. Love doesn't really help us with anything except rebounding and a bit with 3 pt shooting. Certainly not worth his contract and likely would be another guy we'd get frustrated with the injuries before he vastly started to decline.

With his lack of defense, it likely still doesn't allow us to crack top 6 in west or win a series. We haven't had a read good track record signing impact players now in their 30s in the past 5-7 years.

I do think he'd obviously be an upgrade for awhile. A slight upgrade on Saric. Their overall impact appears to be about the same, looking at it....Love a bit better.

Ultimately I'd be fine and probably be kind of excited as long as we didn't do something dumb like throw in Bridges, who I think can end up being as impactful as Covington...somewhere between him and Kawhi in the long run..which is a far bigger need than a guy like Love.

[Wilber85]

If its Kaminsky instead of Saric and Carter instead Okobo, that would be perfect.

We should just offer

TJ, Kaminsky, Carter, protected 1st.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=s5byb5p

[Dual]

I think people is reading too much about his defense.
People tend to not defend in tanking teams.
In a team playing for something he will be alright, he is smart and strong.
Also he can dunk and make layups, that's a huge plus

[bwgood77]

Post from the trade board...

Kevin Love is the same age (31) as Joakim Noah was when the Knicks signed him to a four year deal in 2016. Both Injury-prone big men have four year deals, Noah for $72 mil, Love for $120.

Like Noah, the Love contract has the potential to be one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

I understand how CLE fans don’t want to factor this risk into a true valuation of Love, but I have to assume actual GM’s need to consider Love’s age, injury history, the size of the contract, and especially it’s length.

[BobbieL]

Post from the trade board...

Kevin Love is the same age (31) as Joakim Noah was when the Knicks signed him to a four year deal in 2016. Both Injury-prone big men have four year deals, Noah for $72 mil, Love for $120.

Like Noah, the Love contract has the potential to be one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

I understand how CLE fans don’t want to factor this risk into a true valuation of Love, but I have to assume actual GM’s need to consider Love’s age, injury history, the size of the contract, and especially it’s length.

My thoughts
1) need to see how Ayton can help this team plus how Saric and Frank playing with Ayton

2) that contract is terrible

3) Baynes also needs to come back

4) that contract is terrible

Gallo or LMA probably make more sense as the contracts are less.


Did I mention Loves contract with his age is terrible for a team that maybe is a six seed with him

[BobbieL]

If its Kaminsky instead of Saric and Carter instead Okobo, that would be perfect.

We should just offer

TJ, Kaminsky, Carter, protected 1st.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=s5byb5p

Not that I want Love but this deal is fine. Lottery protected

[Mr Puddles]

Post from the trade board...

Kevin Love is the same age (31) as Joakim Noah was when the Knicks signed him to a four year deal in 2016. Both Injury-prone big men have four year deals, Noah for $72 mil, Love for $120.

Like Noah, the Love contract has the potential to be one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

I understand how CLE fans don’t want to factor this risk into a true valuation of Love, but I have to assume actual GM’s need to consider Love’s age, injury history, the size of the contract, and especially it’s length.

While he's not my favorite option, Love's contract and age don't concern me that much too be honest. Yes, Love is the same age Noah was, he's also nearly the same age Nash was when he signed with the Suns (Nash was 6 months younger). Nash didn't have Love's injury history, but Noah was already a shadow of his former self when he signed with the Knicks and his game was much more predicated on athleticism than Love's is. Love is still playing really good basketball at the moment (16/10.5 on 61ts%).

Assuming we'd trade for Love at the trade deadline, we'd have him on the books for 2 1/2 years. We'd really only need Love to play well for a season and a half until he turns into a Tyler Johnson contract (i.e. an expiring we could potentially use to acquire another player when combined with an asset) - so it's not like the length of the contract is crippling.

Our team is still ridiculously young, with Booker, Ayton and Oubre - as well as Cam Johnson and Bridges assuming these guys will develop into key players. Adding a guy with championship experience to that mix (along with Rubio and Baynes) will definitely make us better in the short run. Kevin Love does bring a few things we could really use on this team: rebounding, three point shooting at the 4 position, hard screens. There also aren't a ton of viable alternatives out there for us in all honesty.

For the right price, I would welcome him here (the right price being expiring contracts and a loto protected first). James Jones hasn't been shy to "overpay" to get the guy he likes - he's basically been the opposite of the Danny Ainge school of having to win each individual trade (examples: clearing Warren's contract, offering top dollar for Rubio, picking Cam at 11). Therefore I wouldn't be surprised to see him through in a guy like Bridges to get the deal done (I hope he doesn't ofcourse).

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With Love, we just need to implement the same philosophy as Mike D'Antoni, who needs defense if you have better offense?

I do think Love can still contribute on a winning team, and I feel he was held back like Chris Bosh was playing with Lebron, and then now he just doesn't have a strong enough supporting cast. He isn't the same stat-stuffer he was with the Wolves, he's aged quite a bit since then, but I feel he would be more than a strong role player, who's capable of knocking down threes, making high IQ passes, and even scoring on the block.

His injury history is concerning, but it doesn't seem to be something specific that lingers year to year IMO. He's kind of like TJ Warren when it comes to freak injuries. In 2016-17 season he underwent arthroscopic surgery to remove a loose body from his left knee and was out 6 weeks. In 2017-18 he fractured his left hand in a game against the Pistons missing 6 weeks. Last year he had surgery on his left foot to because his big toe was causing pain, missing 50 games.

Trading for Love makes a lot of sense too if we aren't giving up pieces like Bridges or Cam. I'd like Griffin more probably, but to match salaries we'd have to include one of those two guys I believe.

[Bogyo]

Y'all realize love is 32 years old and contract is crazy.

We wouldnt have to give too much for him

TJ, Saric, and a protected first. Should do it.

Yet, I see a lot of people waiting for the 2021 Free Agency to be able to overpay then 31-32-33 year olds. Just the perfect plan to make Book ask out when we even strike out on those old geezers.

[bwgood77]

I think people is reading too much about his defense.
People tend to not defend in tanking teams.
In a team playing for something he will be alright, he is smart and strong.
Also he can dunk and make layups, that's a huge plus

He has always been known as a poor defender. In him and LeBron's last year in Cleveland together, they had the 29th worst defense. he's slow. He provides zero rim protection for a big. Like .4 bpg. .7 stl per game. Slow.

[bwgood77]

Post from the trade board...

Kevin Love is the same age (31) as Joakim Noah was when the Knicks signed him to a four year deal in 2016. Both Injury-prone big men have four year deals, Noah for $72 mil, Love for $120.

Like Noah, the Love contract has the potential to be one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

I understand how CLE fans don’t want to factor this risk into a true valuation of Love, but I have to assume actual GM’s need to consider Love’s age, injury history, the size of the contract, and especially it’s length.

While he's not my favorite option, Love's contract and age don't concern me that much too be honest. Yes, Love is the same age Noah was, he's also nearly the same age Nash was when he signed with the Suns (Nash was 6 months younger). Nash didn't have Love's injury history, but Noah was already a shadow of his former self when he signed with the Knicks and his game was much more predicated on athleticism than Love's is. Love is still playing really good basketball at the moment (16/10.5 on 61ts%).

Assuming we'd trade for Love at the trade deadline, we'd have him on the books for 2 1/2 years. We'd really only need Love to play well for a season and a half until he turns into a Tyler Johnson contract (i.e. an expiring we could potentially use to acquire another player when combined with an asset) - so it's not like the length of the contract is crippling.

Our team is still ridiculously young, with Booker, Ayton and Oubre - as well as Cam Johnson and Bridges assuming these guys will develop into key players. Adding a guy with championship experience to that mix (along with Rubio and Baynes) will definitely make us better in the short run. Kevin Love does bring a few things we could really use on this team: rebounding, three point shooting at the 4 position, hard screens. There also aren't a ton of viable alternatives out there for us in all honesty.

For the right price, I would welcome him here (the right price being expiring contracts and a loto protected first). James Jones hasn't been shy to "overpay" to get the guy he likes - he's basically been the opposite of the Danny Ainge school of having to win each individual trade (examples: clearing Warren's contract, offering top dollar for Rubio, picking Cam at 11). Therefore I wouldn't be surprised to see him through in a guy like Bridges to get the deal done (I hope he doesn't ofcourse).

We'd have him for 3 1/2 years.

[bwgood77]

Y'all realize love is 32 years old and contract is crazy.

We wouldnt have to give too much for him

TJ, Saric, and a protected first. Should do it.

Yet, I see a lot of people waiting for the 2021 Free Agency to be able to overpay then 31-32-33 year olds. Just the perfect plan to make Book ask out when we even strike out on those old geezers.

AD is really not that old, and has the utmost respect for Monty. If LeBron breaks down or something and AD wanted to look around in FA, I think we'd be one of the first one's he'd consider. I'd prefer him to Love.

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AD is really not that old, and has the utmost respect for Monty. If LeBron breaks down or something and AD wanted to look around in FA, I think we'd be one of the first one's he'd consider. I'd prefer him to Love.

After this game AD said he's never play for the Suns after being so disrespected.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Just kidding

[Bogyo]

I think people is reading too much about his defense.
People tend to not defend in tanking teams.
In a team playing for something he will be alright, he is smart and strong.
Also he can dunk and make layups, that's a huge plus

He has always been known as a poor defender. In him and LeBron's last year in Cleveland together, they had the 29th worst defense. he's slow. He provides zero rim protection for a big. Like .4 bpg. .7 stl per game. Slow.

Right.
Sad fact: still better than Saric or Kaminsky.
Sadder opinion: probably quicker too.

[Bogyo]

Y'all realize love is 32 years old and contract is crazy.

We wouldnt have to give too much for him

TJ, Saric, and a protected first. Should do it.

Yet, I see a lot of people waiting for the 2021 Free Agency to be able to overpay then 31-32-33 year olds. Just the perfect plan to make Book ask out when we even strike out on those old geezers.

AD is really not that old, and has the utmost respect for Monty. If LeBron breaks down or something and AD wanted to look around in FA, I think we'd be one of the first one's he'd consider. I'd prefer him to Love.

Let's cross this bridge when we get there. Has very little chance of happening actually, but if it does remember that superstars end up on their preferred team. If the Love contract is holding us back then, then we'll trade it - as it will be an expiring soon. Maybe even sign-and-trade it to make salaries match. Love+one of Bridges/Cam/Kelly+2021drafted rookie+2022 unprotected pick+2023 pick swap+2023 2nd rounder. Either Lakers will take this to not lose AD outright, or some very bad tanking team will take it to rebuild with the young wing, and the extra picks to their tanking picks. I don't really see a serious issue here. Winning breads winning, attracts better players too.

[Blonde]

2021 free agency gets brought up a lot not only because of the class of players but also because it is the last year to make a big addition before Ayton and Bridges new contracts. If we had Love now he’d probably help a lot for this year and maybe next, but when our core guys are entering their prime there’s a decent chance his contract prevents us from taking the next step and then we’re cap locked with Booker, Love, and likely Ayton’s mega contracts.

[BobbieL]

2021 free agency gets brought up a lot not only because of the class of players but also because it is the last year to make a big addition before Ayton and Bridges new contracts. If we had Love now he’d probably help a lot for this year and maybe next, but when our core guys are entering their prime there’s a decent chance his contract prevents us from taking the next step and then we’re cap locked with Booker, Love, and likely Ayton’s mega contracts.

Loves contract and age is probably why he isn’t the best fit. I can see LMA being the fit just because he expires in 2021. Oubre does as well. It’s better timing.

I also want to see what happens when Saric plays with Ayton and Frank comes off the bench. Frank off the bench next to Baynes seems optimum.