2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 3 - Post Free Agency Discussion

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[Fo-Real]

I literally forgot again that we signed Eric Gordon.

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[enigmatics]

Yeah, who the F cares about who someone follows on social media? Christ almighty.

Well, you guys not even a month ago swore up and down that his social media presence has nothing to do with anything, yet here we are. It's right in front of your faces and you still deny it, kinda funny I guess. It's ok to be wrong.

I'm saying the same thing here. Who gives a crap about what people do on social media, especially regarding who they follow.

Heck, I don't even know when someone unfollows me and I wouldn't care. I can imagine Ayton wants to put his Suns days behind him as he focuses on his next chapter.

No one would even know if you didn't have these social media tools checking on who everyone is following every day. People act like it 's a big deal or a statement or something when it was only publicized by fans or Leezus who craves followers of his own and is a bit ridiculous.

You guys keep making big deals about everything on social media. I am AGAIN saying who gives a crap. Who gives a crap who someone follows or unfollows. I decide to follow and unfollow people all the time. It all depends on what people want to see on their feed.

The ONE thing Ayton did on his feed that you could argue has relevance is his post thanking the Suns, his teammates and fans for the great times in the Valley or whatever, but something like that isn't mentioned, just other random stuff about who he hangs out with or who he follows or doesn't follow. Who gives a crap.

You guys all despise Ayton so much...why do you keep talking about him anyway? Especially who he follows on social media. It's a bit absurd...how obsessed some people are on here about tearing him down. Even on his thank you post fans had to tell him how soft he was.

It's like you don't read a word any of us are saying. Just sit there with dismissive arguments reducing it down to "who cares about social media posts" refusing to connect the dots.

YOU don't care and that's fine. More power to you. I care because DA practically sand bagged the championship window by not keeping the business stuff separate from the on court TEAM goals. Think about the opportunity that was right there these last 3 years! The sh- frustrates me to no end.

Instead the infestation of "is DA happy" and "will he finally get to the next level" remained an ever present distraction. The stories aren't done being told either and we are going to hear a lot more about his refusal to fully buy in as time goes on.

He "just wants to move on" right so he unfollowed Booker and Durant, but not Okogie and others? Listen to what you're saying. This is who DA is - immature, passive aggressive, often delusional in the analysis of his own play. He's big on words but not big on the court when it's needed most.

Unfollowing the faces of the franchise is how he communicates and its one of main reasons he's no longer a Sun. His jealousy of Booker most of all is showing.

[bwgood77]

Well, you guys not even a month ago swore up and down that his social media presence has nothing to do with anything, yet here we are. It's right in front of your faces and you still deny it, kinda funny I guess. It's ok to be wrong.

I'm saying the same thing here. Who gives a crap about what people do on social media, especially regarding who they follow.

Heck, I don't even know when someone unfollows me and I wouldn't care. I can imagine Ayton wants to put his Suns days behind him as he focuses on his next chapter.

No one would even know if you didn't have these social media tools checking on who everyone is following every day. People act like it 's a big deal or a statement or something when it was only publicized by fans or Leezus who craves followers of his own and is a bit ridiculous.

You guys keep making big deals about everything on social media. I am AGAIN saying who gives a crap. Who gives a crap who someone follows or unfollows. I decide to follow and unfollow people all the time. It all depends on what people want to see on their feed.

The ONE thing Ayton did on his feed that you could argue has relevance is his post thanking the Suns, his teammates and fans for the great times in the Valley or whatever, but something like that isn't mentioned, just other random stuff about who he hangs out with or who he follows or doesn't follow. Who gives a crap.

You guys all despise Ayton so much...why do you keep talking about him anyway? Especially who he follows on social media. It's a bit absurd...how obsessed some people are on here about tearing him down. Even on his thank you post fans had to tell him how soft he was.

It's like you don't read a word any of us are saying. Just sit there with dismissive arguments reducing it down to "who cares about social media posts" refusing to connect the dots.

YOU don't care and that's fine. More power to you. I care because DA practically sand bagged the championship window by not keeping the business stuff separate from the on court TEAM goals. Think about the opportunity that was right there these last 3 years!

The stories aren't done being told and we are going to hear a lot more about his refusal to fully buy in as time goes on.

Yammering about how he just wants to move on so he unfollowed Booker and Durant but not Okogie and others? Listen to what you're saying. This is who DA is though - immature, passive aggressive, often delusional in the analysis of his own play. He's big on words but not big on the court when it's needed most.

Unfollowing the faces of the franchise is how he communicates and its one of man reasons he's not longer a Sun. His jealousy of Booker most of all is showing.

I just don't care about any of that social media stuff, and unfollowing someone isn't some kind of big deal like you guys are all making it out to be. It's not something that is even usually noticed by anyone and you don't know when someone unfollows you unless you check your followers, but I imagine some people do that a lot and you have the type of fans like you who like to check out this stuff and talk about it.

He was not the reason we lost in the playoffs. He also really came to play in 21-22 adding a killer hook shot, despite not getting an extension and had a pretty historic FG% on his volume. He shot well from all over the floor. He had his mental lapses over the years but little things just get so blown out of proportion it's absurd. I am glad they traded him because I was tired of hearing about it. I didn't want him in the draft but he played better than I expected after his rookie season. Sure there were times I was disappointed but that happens with all players.

[lilfishi22]

Well, you guys not even a month ago swore up and down that his social media presence has nothing to do with anything, yet here we are. It's right in front of your faces and you still deny it, kinda funny I guess. It's ok to be wrong.

I'm saying the same thing here. Who gives a crap about what people do on social media, especially regarding who they follow.

Heck, I don't even know when someone unfollows me and I wouldn't care. I can imagine Ayton wants to put his Suns days behind him as he focuses on his next chapter.

No one would even know if you didn't have these social media tools checking on who everyone is following every day. People act like it 's a big deal or a statement or something when it was only publicized by fans or Leezus who craves followers of his own and is a bit ridiculous.

You guys keep making big deals about everything on social media. I am AGAIN saying who gives a crap. Who gives a crap who someone follows or unfollows. I decide to follow and unfollow people all the time. It all depends on what people want to see on their feed.

The ONE thing Ayton did on his feed that you could argue has relevance is his post thanking the Suns, his teammates and fans for the great times in the Valley or whatever, but something like that isn't mentioned, just other random stuff about who he hangs out with or who he follows or doesn't follow. Who gives a crap.

You guys all despise Ayton so much...why do you keep talking about him anyway? Especially who he follows on social media. It's a bit absurd...how obsessed some people are on here about tearing him down. Even on his thank you post fans had to tell him how soft he was.

It's like you don't read a word any of us are saying. Just sit there with dismissive arguments reducing it down to "who cares about social media posts" refusing to connect the dots.

YOU don't care and that's fine. More power to you. I care because DA practically sand bagged the championship window by not keeping the business stuff separate from the on court TEAM goals. Think about the opportunity that was right there these last 3 years! The sh- frustrates me to no end.

Instead the infestation of "is DA happy" and "will he finally get to the next level" remained an ever present distraction. The stories aren't done being told either and we are going to hear a lot more about his refusal to fully buy in as time goes on.

He "just wants to move on" right so he unfollowed Booker and Durant, but not Okogie and others? Listen to what you're saying. This is who DA is - immature, passive aggressive, often delusional in the analysis of his own play. He's big on words but not big on the court when it's needed most.

Unfollowing the faces of the franchise is how he communicates and its one of main reasons he's no longer a Sun. His jealousy of Booker most of all is showing.

I don't think in and of itself is a big deal. But like his comment about being happy the Suns front office accommodated his wishes (confirming he asked to be traded from a contender), Jones' comment about Nurk not complaining a role (suggesting DA had) and DA not having a good relationship with the coach who held him to account and/or unfollowing the 3 guys (KD/Book/CP3) who also hold other players to account (suggesting he doesn't vibe with people who hold him to account), it all comes together to paint a pretty specific picture.

I, for one, am happy he's not on the Suns anymore and at the same time happy that he's on a team that he's happy with. I don't have any ill will towards the guy. The draft is and has always been gambles and we took who we thought was a generational talent who could become one of the cornerstones of the team and he didn't become that....and that is what comes with high stakes gambles, and we moved on from that gamble.

[bwoolf2]

Well, you guys not even a month ago swore up and down that his social media presence has nothing to do with anything, yet here we are. It's right in front of your faces and you still deny it, kinda funny I guess. It's ok to be wrong.

I'm saying the same thing here. Who gives a crap about what people do on social media, especially regarding who they follow.

Heck, I don't even know when someone unfollows me and I wouldn't care. I can imagine Ayton wants to put his Suns days behind him as he focuses on his next chapter.

No one would even know if you didn't have these social media tools checking on who everyone is following every day. People act like it 's a big deal or a statement or something when it was only publicized by fans or Leezus who craves followers of his own and is a bit ridiculous.

You guys keep making big deals about everything on social media. I am AGAIN saying who gives a crap. Who gives a crap who someone follows or unfollows. I decide to follow and unfollow people all the time. It all depends on what people want to see on their feed.

The ONE thing Ayton did on his feed that you could argue has relevance is his post thanking the Suns, his teammates and fans for the great times in the Valley or whatever, but something like that isn't mentioned, just other random stuff about who he hangs out with or who he follows or doesn't follow. Who gives a crap.

You guys all despise Ayton so much...why do you keep talking about him anyway? Especially who he follows on social media. It's a bit absurd...how obsessed some people are on here about tearing him down. Even on his thank you post fans had to tell him how soft he was.

It's like you don't read a word any of us are saying. Just sit there with dismissive arguments reducing it down to "who cares about social media posts" refusing to connect the dots.

YOU don't care and that's fine. More power to you. I care because DA practically sand bagged the championship window by not keeping the business stuff separate from the on court TEAM goals. Think about the opportunity that was right there these last 3 years! The sh- frustrates me to no end.

Instead the infestation of "is DA happy" and "will he finally get to the next level" remained an ever present distraction. The stories aren't done being told either and we are going to hear a lot more about his refusal to fully buy in as time goes on.

He "just wants to move on" right so he unfollowed Booker and Durant, but not Okogie and others? Listen to what you're saying. This is who DA is - immature, passive aggressive, often delusional in the analysis of his own play. He's big on words but not big on the court when it's needed most.

Unfollowing the faces of the franchise is how he communicates and its one of main reasons he's no longer a Sun. His jealousy of Booker most of all is showing.

He doesn't play for the Suns anymore so who F cares if he is immature or jealous or a dragon trapped on a dogs body, let's focus on the team we got and players on this team.

Or we can continue to act like a bunch of kids and worry about if Jimmy likes Jane and Jane follows Paul but she doesn’t really like Paul and really likes Jimmy but Jimmy likes Rebecca who likes Jane.

[lilfishi22]

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Mike Vigil: “Brian Windhorst on his podcast mentioned the Suns were looking for point guards in the Ayton trade and added “I think they’re still looking for point guards…””

Then why did we trade Cam Payne? I guess we want someone more traditional than him?

If we want a point guard to be the table setter for the big three, you probably want him working with them as early as possible.

I forget what PG free agents were out there, but we sure didn’t seem to make a run at anyone other than TJ McConnell via trade.

Edit: we have a trade exception, yeah? Can we trade second round picks for a point guard and absorb them into our TPE? I don’t know how much we have or who is out there right now.

I love Cam but I think there's a level of redundancy with him. Sure, he's more of a PG than what we have right now but he's always been more of a gunner in the mould of an Eric Gordon type combo guard. He's a better passer than EG but I think what we're after is someone who can really set the table which isn't his strength

[Mulhollanddrive]

I think we're looking for insurance in case Beal or Goodwin doesn't work then we're down to Saben Lee.

[garrick]

I do love watching rebuilding teams that have a clear plan and good management that is able to get a good return for their star players in a trade. It's just fun to watch all the potential. Like the prospects could be anywhere from scrub to elite so there's a certain amount of excitement, like opening a pack of trading cards when you were a kid. And then seeing how all the pieces fit together - who makes sense who doesn't, what do we need to add, etc..

I have always said there is no more team boring than being capped out with aging scrubs, even if you are a contender. Remember how boring the Lakers were even when they won in the bubble? I was relieved we brought in a ton of guys who can play this off season and a bunch of them are under 30 with role player potential (and of course can't wait to see Beal in action).

The past few years I've enjoyed watching the Thunder and Rockets quite a bit despite the constant losing.

So I think I will be checking out the Blazers a bit next year. Interesting to see how they use Ayton + Williams, and who gets first crack at the offensive lead guard with Simons, Sharpe, and Scoot. Head says Simons because he looks like a 25 ppg guy with a great 3 point shot. But it will be interesting to see. Like Simons could blow up this year and maybe they want him as insurance in case (god forbid) Scoot busts. Or maybe Simons blows up and they ship him for a big time return.

Yeah, I think they will be interesting with some interesting young players. Not sure about Scoot though. He shot 27% in the G league. I am interested in the Nets as well given I have been and am a big fan of Bridges, and always felt he had more potential than he was given credit for. I was kind of hoping Dame went there.

The Nets had some pretty entertaining games last season and I was pleasantly surprised that Mikail was capable of hitting some big shots and carrying the scoring load since it wasn't something he showed here on a consistent basis.

Now if Ben Simmons could just actually show up to play this season and if they can get some better big rebounding forwards I think they'll make some noise in the East. Blazers I definitely check our their games to see DA's development in a less pressured environment.

[matt131]

I'm saying the same thing here. Who gives a crap about what people do on social media, especially regarding who they follow.

Heck, I don't even know when someone unfollows me and I wouldn't care. I can imagine Ayton wants to put his Suns days behind him as he focuses on his next chapter.

No one would even know if you didn't have these social media tools checking on who everyone is following every day. People act like it 's a big deal or a statement or something when it was only publicized by fans or Leezus who craves followers of his own and is a bit ridiculous.

You guys keep making big deals about everything on social media. I am AGAIN saying who gives a crap. Who gives a crap who someone follows or unfollows. I decide to follow and unfollow people all the time. It all depends on what people want to see on their feed.

The ONE thing Ayton did on his feed that you could argue has relevance is his post thanking the Suns, his teammates and fans for the great times in the Valley or whatever, but something like that isn't mentioned, just other random stuff about who he hangs out with or who he follows or doesn't follow. Who gives a crap.

You guys all despise Ayton so much...why do you keep talking about him anyway? Especially who he follows on social media. It's a bit absurd...how obsessed some people are on here about tearing him down. Even on his thank you post fans had to tell him how soft he was.

It's like you don't read a word any of us are saying. Just sit there with dismissive arguments reducing it down to "who cares about social media posts" refusing to connect the dots.

YOU don't care and that's fine. More power to you. I care because DA practically sand bagged the championship window by not keeping the business stuff separate from the on court TEAM goals. Think about the opportunity that was right there these last 3 years!

The stories aren't done being told and we are going to hear a lot more about his refusal to fully buy in as time goes on.

Yammering about how he just wants to move on so he unfollowed Booker and Durant but not Okogie and others? Listen to what you're saying. This is who DA is though - immature, passive aggressive, often delusional in the analysis of his own play. He's big on words but not big on the court when it's needed most.

Unfollowing the faces of the franchise is how he communicates and its one of man reasons he's not longer a Sun. His jealousy of Booker most of all is showing.

I just don't care about any of that social media stuff, and unfollowing someone isn't some kind of big deal like you guys are all making it out to be. It's not something that is even usually noticed by anyone and you don't know when someone unfollows you unless you check your followers, but I imagine some people do that a lot and you have the type of fans like you who like to check out this stuff and talk about it.

He was not the reason we lost in the playoffs. He also really came to play in 21-22 adding a killer hook shot, despite not getting an extension and had a pretty historic FG% on his volume. He shot well from all over the floor. He had his mental lapses over the years but little things just get so blown out of proportion it's absurd. I am glad they traded him because I was tired of hearing about it. I didn't want him in the draft but he played better than I expected after his rookie season. Sure there were times I was disappointed but that happens with all players.

I don’t exactly want to get in the middle of this one, but whether we find it a big deal or not if someone unfollows someone else on social media doesn’t matter.

Ayton is 25. He is very much part of the generation in which you send a message or diss another person by unfollowing them on instagram. Whether we here care for it or not, to Ayton and the kids of his generation, it is the proverbial middle finger to Book and KD.

[matt131]

https://x.com/kellanolson/status/1709022113456341502

Fun read.

https://arizonasports.com/story/3535437/phoenix-suns-new-era-built-around-bond-between-devin-booker-kevin-durant/

[Slim Charless]

Oh gosh wait till Enegmatic gets a whiff of this. Everything is playing out exactly like we said it was and I’m loving every second of it. I’m like a pig in **** right now, bring me more scraps so I can wallow in my glorious filth.

No one here cares about your dating trends bro. Stick to the subject of the Suns. Unless you're too immature to handle focusing on the team you follow.

[sashaturiaf]

Wow.

I'm not enamored with the return but I'm very glad Ayton is out of here, he was going to be toxic in this locker room. Not to mention he's just not worth the money, Max contract for a low motor guy who can't space the floor and is soft inside? Yeah I'll pass on that.

[sunsbg]

Wow.

I'm not enamored with the return but I'm very glad Ayton is out of here, he was going to be toxic in this locker room. Not to mention he's just not worth the money, Max contract for a low motor guy who can't space the floor and is soft inside? Yeah I'll pass on that.

The question was if Vogel can bring him back to 2021 defensive anchor form, which is a lot more than what Jusuf "I don't like super-teams like Nets and Suns" Nurkic will bring to this team IMO. Seems Ayton was never interested in this role though as playing Byiombo role will not get you a big contract and recognition. So let's all move on...

[handsome salary]

Media Day recap has given me much hope. Really like the focus and everybody on the same boat feel.

[enigmatics]

Oh gosh wait till Enegmatic gets a whiff of this. Everything is playing out exactly like we said it was and I’m loving every second of it. I’m like a pig in **** right now, bring me more scraps so I can wallow in my glorious filth.

No one here cares about your dating trends bro. Stick to the subject of the Suns. Unless you're too immature to handle focusing on the team you follow.

I don't think you get his sense of humor lol.

[spanishninja]

Media Day recap has given me much hope. Really like the focus and everybody on the same boat feel.

yes, I still believe to this day that the Nuggets were not the most talented team last year. but they played with the most consistent effort, best leadership, and most cohesion.

[SunsRback4Good]

Oh gosh wait till Enegmatic gets a whiff of this. Everything is playing out exactly like we said it was and I’m loving every second of it. I’m like a pig in **** right now, bring me more scraps so I can wallow in my glorious filth.

No one here cares about your dating trends bro. Stick to the subject of the Suns. Unless you're too immature to handle focusing on the team you follow.

Slim, now since Ayton’s gone are you gonna follow him and become a Blazers fan or still stick with the Suns?