2019 season speculation including trade ideas

[bwgood77]

I think people is reading too much about his defense.
People tend to not defend in tanking teams.
In a team playing for something he will be alright, he is smart and strong.
Also he can dunk and make layups, that's a huge plus

He has always been known as a poor defender. In him and LeBron's last year in Cleveland together, they had the 29th worst defense. he's slow. He provides zero rim protection for a big. Like .4 bpg. .7 stl per game. Slow.

Right.
Sad fact: still better than Saric or Kaminsky.
Sadder opinion: probably quicker too.

I'm not doubting that, but another guy we'd very likely be frustrated that he's out almost half the season with injuries. He's averaged 47 games the last 3 years and obviously only getting older.

[hollywood6964]

He has always been known as a poor defender. In him and LeBron's last year in Cleveland together, they had the 29th worst defense. he's slow. He provides zero rim protection for a big. Like .4 bpg. .7 stl per game. Slow.

Right.
Sad fact: still better than Saric or Kaminsky.
Sadder opinion: probably quicker too.

I'm not doubting that, but another guy we'd very likely be frustrated that he's out almost half the season with injuries. He's averaged 47 games the last 3 years and obviously only getting older.

I don't see the point of Kevin love either. Just start baynes at pf, stagger minutes, and consider oubre being a big time sixth man to make the bench more offensively potent. Save the grief of getting love, who is likely to be injured most of his suns tenure.

[ATTL]

Is there a way to check loves stats at the rim? NBA.com has within 5 feet numbers, love is at 55.8%
Frank is at 56.8%
Dario is at 58.2%

[bwgood77]

Is there a way to check loves stats at the rim? NBA.com has within 5 feet numbers, love is at 55.8%
Frank is at 56.8%
Dario is at 58.2%

Yes, I already did. He's 69% this year, though last year he was under 52%, the year before at 64% and the year before at 54%. His last mostly full season, under 52%. So it varies greatly.

[Dual]

Wasnt that stat that features at the beginning of the season that Kaminsky was a good inside defender?
After sawing that, it just took away every significance it can has tbh.
We all watch Love play a lot, as he has been contending for the titles recently and I never thought he was a poor defender tbh, he is not great but not bad, and has his moments.
I really dont mind if we sign him or not.
Saric has to take a step forward with his shot, that's for sure. He is shooting in the right moments and is a clever guy, but we need more consistency in that regard from him.

[BobbieL]

He has always been known as a poor defender. In him and LeBron's last year in Cleveland together, they had the 29th worst defense. he's slow. He provides zero rim protection for a big. Like .4 bpg. .7 stl per game. Slow.

Right.
Sad fact: still better than Saric or Kaminsky.
Sadder opinion: probably quicker too.

I'm not doubting that, but another guy we'd very likely be frustrated that he's out almost half the season with injuries. He's averaged 47 games the last 3 years and obviously only getting older.

I just think the injury history combined with dollars makes Love a bad fit. I do think the team would be better if healthy for 75plus games but that’s a big if.


But good to be talking trades to improve the team and not dumping contracts

[bwgood77]

Wasnt that stat that features at the beginning of the season that Kaminsky was a good inside defender?
After sawing that, it just took away every significance it can has tbh.
We all watch Love play a lot, as he has been contending for the titles recently and I never thought he was a poor defender tbh, he is not great but not bad, and has his moments.
I really dont mind if we sign him or not.
Saric has to take a step forward with his shot, that's for sure. He is shooting in the right moments and is a clever guy, but we need more consistency in that regard from him.

No, but Kaminsky was good at finishing inside. Had some nice moves. I just think going against starters as a C, especially against a guy like Capela is tougher.

I think Saric has looked pretty good lately other than maybe missing a couple of shots at the rim. But been passing, shooting and rebounding well.

[Dual]

Omg guys.... its happening!

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[TeamTragic]

Like someone else mentioned, are we going to be able to land someone else in free agency this summer or the next? I assume everyone is on same page regarding keeping Baynes on a contract of $10 mil a year. If so, and we stand pat, we have at best about $20 mil in salary cap space to sign someone. There isn't really any PF's on the market this summer that fit our ideal age group, most of them are a bit older such as Ibaka, Gallinari. Harrel is available but he clogs the paint for Ayton. If Sabonis didn't sign a contract extension recently I would have him at the top of my Christmas list.

I think the best way for us to improve is to trade for one of these older veterans like LMA, Griffin, or Love. Use the MLE this summer to further improve the roster. Or maybe, the Bulls are willing to move on from Lauri but want to package him with Otto Porter in order to gain some cap flexibility this summer. I'd be willing to give up Bridges, a protected future 1st (maybe 2) for Lauri (and Otto in this case).

How did that work with Chandler/Ariza?

Yes because signing role players is the same thing as trading for multiple time all-stars. Oh... and they got us the No 1 overall pick so there's that if you want to be cynical. I trust James Jones for now to make the right decision.

I already said that I trust James Jones. I just disagree that we should even consider the above washed up older veterans.

[bwgood77]

538 has us projected to be tied for the 7th seed with Minnesota at 40-42, with Portland one game back at 39-43 and OKC two games back at 38-44. OKC and Portland play today and we play Minnesota tomorrow, so things should shake up a bit there. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo

[Blackification]

538 has us projected to be tied for the 7th seed with Minnesota at 40-42, with Portland one game back at 39-43 and OKC two games back at 38-44. OKC and Portland play today and we play Minnesota tomorrow, so things should shake up a bit there. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo

I don't think those projections take health into consideration which is promising for us once we get a full squad hopefully soon.

[Saberestar]

Just dont look at his stats this year, he is desperate to go.

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Why don't look his stats?

The truth is that he is not a great player anymore, but he gets paid like one of the best in the league. His stats and performances are getting worse and worse with every game, he played well just for the ten first games of the season. After that small injury here, some illness there....it seems that he is just waiting for the end of the season.

He got that big time contract at the right time and now the Cavs have a problem because he is under contract until 2023.

[Dual]

Just dont look at his stats this year, he is desperate to go.

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Why don't look his stats?

The truth is that he is not a great player anymore, but he gets paid like one of the best in the league. His stats and performances are getting worse and worse with every game, he played well just for the ten first games of the season. After that small injury here, some illness there....it seems that he is just waiting for the end of the season.

He got that big time contract at the right time and now the Cavs have a problem because he in under contract until 2023.

Nah, if he dont come here you will see how he plays in a new team if its competing for something.
Last year he almost didnt play because they were tanking, same as what is going to happen with the guys in GSW this year.
And right now Cavs are totally ruined with rookies that play awfull basketball.
He is a great player, he has only 31 and dont relay in athleticism, you are talking as if he has 36 or 37 years.
Worst thing that can happen to a veteran that already has played and won a championship is a tanking team.

[bwgood77]

538 has us projected to be tied for the 7th seed with Minnesota at 40-42, with Portland one game back at 39-43 and OKC two games back at 38-44. OKC and Portland play today and we play Minnesota tomorrow, so things should shake up a bit there. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo

I don't think those projections take health into consideration which is promising for us once we get a full squad hopefully soon.

True, they assume all teams are fully healthy. I did also notice the TWolves have to play the Lakers tonight so they will be on a b2b. Of course we've lost a couple of those, but if we have Baynes back, I think they will have a tough time beating us.

[bwgood77]

Just dont look at his stats this year, he is desperate to go.

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Why don't look his stats?

The truth is that he is not a great player anymore, but he gets paid like one of the best in the league. His stats and performances are getting worse and worse with every game, he played well just for the ten first games of the season. After that small injury here, some illness there....it seems that he is just waiting for the end of the season.

He got that big time contract at the right time and now the Cavs have a problem because he is under contract until 2023.

Yeah, it would be like trading for Chris Paul. Not worth those last 3 years. The difference between Paul and Rubio is probably greater than the difference between Love and Saric too, given that Paul is a good shooter and probably the best defensive PG in the entire NBA. I really like Rubio too but Paul is obviously on another level, yet he's older and declining and has a huge contract.

[Dual]

538 has us projected to be tied for the 7th seed with Minnesota at 40-42, with Portland one game back at 39-43 and OKC two games back at 38-44. OKC and Portland play today and we play Minnesota tomorrow, so things should shake up a bit there. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo

I don't think those projections take health into consideration which is promising for us once we get a full squad hopefully soon.

True, they assume all teams are fully healthy. I did also notice the TWolves have to play the Lakers tonight so they will be on a b2b. Of course we've lost a couple of those, but if we have Baynes back, I think they will have a tough time beating us.

But we have the b2b hex...let's see if we brake it this time

[Dual]

Just dont look at his stats this year, he is desperate to go.

Read on Twitter

Why don't look his stats?

The truth is that he is not a great player anymore, but he gets paid like one of the best in the league. His stats and performances are getting worse and worse with every game, he played well just for the ten first games of the season. After that small injury here, some illness there....it seems that he is just waiting for the end of the season.

He got that big time contract at the right time and now the Cavs have a problem because he is under contract until 2023.

Yeah, it would be like trading for Chris Paul. Not worth those last 3 years. The difference between Paul and Rubio is probably greater than the difference between Love and Saric too, given that Paul is a good shooter and probably the best defensive PG in the entire NBA. I really like Rubio too but Paul is obviously on another level, yet he's older and declining and has a huge contract.

Chris Paul is 34 years old, 3 years of difference is huge, Love will end his contract at 34 more or less.

[Saberestar]

Just dont look at his stats this year, he is desperate to go.

Read on Twitter

Why don't look his stats?

The truth is that he is not a great player anymore, but he gets paid like one of the best in the league. His stats and performances are getting worse and worse with every game, he played well just for the ten first games of the season. After that small injury here, some illness there....it seems that he is just waiting for the end of the season.

He got that big time contract at the right time and now the Cavs have a problem because he in under contract until 2023.

Nah, if he dont come here you will see how he plays in a new team if its competing for something.
Last year he almost didnt play because they were tanking, same as what is going to happen with the guys in GSW this year.
And right now Cavs are totally ruined with rookies that play awfull basketball.
He is a great player, he has only 31 and dont relay in athleticism, you are talking as if he has 36 or 37 years.
Worst thing that can happen to a veteran that already has played and won a championship is a tanking team.

Love had a left foot surgery last season, he was out for months for a good reason. That injury is tough.

He is not 36 or 37, I know, there are just a handful of guys in the NBA playing at that age.

He is 31 with a lot of mileage and injuries on his body and the regression on his play is evident. That has happened to Draymond Green too... he has regressed a lot during the last couple of seasons. Just watch a game from both players and tell me that they are the same players that they were five years ago. They are not, of course...but the bad news for their teams is that they have big fat contracts now.

The more I think about it the more I wouldn't trade for him. Hopefully James Jones stays away.

[Dual]

But I understand your point of view guys.
Is a risky move, the good thing about it is that you give so little that if it pays out is a huge win,if not you still have your team set, you only need a rotation player at PF, and maybe you already have it in Cam Johnson(I know you are not fan of putting him at PF, but I believe it can work).

[hollywood6964]

We need a backup pg, 100%. We know what we have isn't cutting it.

Our bigs have been hurt, but only with nagging injuries, or suspended. We have plenty when it comes to big men, but when it comes to creators and pgs, we're in a severe shortage. Backup pg is what we need.