2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 3 - Post Free Agency Discussion

[Jdiddy701]

Question for you guys: if the Suns had this current roster last year vs the Nuggets, does the series end differently? I think we all know the answer to that. Getting there healthy is everything.


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[SunsRback4Good]

Question for you guys: if the Suns had this current roster last year vs the Nuggets, does the series end differently? I think we all know the answer to that. Getting there healthy is everything.


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Yes, I believe Suns would win in a hard fought 7 games. After Booker and KD who else stepped up for us? Now if we had Beal, Gordon, Yatu, Nurkic it would be a whole different ball game. If KD & Booker get double teamed we no longer have to rely on Shamet, Warren, Ross to save us but on players who can get their own shots off and create their own shots unlike TJ, Ross, Shamet who just wait in the corner to be spoon fed

[enigmatics]

Question for you guys: if the Suns had this current roster last year vs the Nuggets, does the series end differently? I think we all know the answer to that. Getting there healthy is everything.

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I mean I can't say that unequivocally, but I do honestly believe the series would have been far more competitive.

[sashaturiaf]

I'd feel much better about our chances in a Nuggets series with the current lineup. Beal, a deeper squad plus a superior coach will make all the difference. I mean we didn't even have a 3rd option in that series once Book/KD got doubled.


I can't think of anything from last season's squad in the Nuggets series that is better than what currently have, CP was hurt and Ayton might as well not been there.

[Saberestar]

Question for you guys: if the Suns had this current roster last year vs the Nuggets, does the series end differently? I think we all know the answer to that. Getting there healthy is everything.


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IMO we would have won the championship.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah Ayton was never going to be cool with the role the team needed him to play this year so it's best for everyone that this chapter in suns history is over.

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[Fo-Real]

Question for you guys: if the Suns had this current roster last year vs the Nuggets, does the series end differently? I think we all know the answer to that. Getting there healthy is everything.


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Any team not relying on Okogie as your main corner kick shooter and LANDRY **** SHAMET as your first guy off the bench, has to be better.

[NapoleonII]

Yeah Ayton was never going to be cool with the role the team needed him to play this year so it's best for everyone that this chapter in suns history is over.

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Well, I can't wholly blame him.

I can't think of any #1 pick who's job is basically play defense and do the dirty work, have zero plays run for him.

Monty and James Jones need to take their fair share of the blame and bitching and moaning around here.

It's an offensive star's league nowadays, and we picked a center not known for his passing or 3 point shot.

Let's **** move on and win games, gel, and lock-in.

[sunsbum]

Oh gosh wait till Enegmatic gets a whiff of this. Everything is playing out exactly like we said it was and I’m loving every second of it. I’m like a pig in **** right now, bring me more scraps so I can wallow in my glorious filth.

No one here cares about your dating trends bro. Stick to the subject of the Suns. Unless you're too immature to handle focusing on the team you follow.

not only are you literally wrong about everything but you’re the board topic police now?

[Calvin Klein]

Question for you guys: if the Suns had this current roster last year vs the Nuggets, does the series end differently? I think we all know the answer to that. Getting there healthy is everything.


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I think it might have even been different had Chris Paul not got injured. No idea with this team though because we haven’t seen one minute of them.

Denver is a well rounded team with the perfect role for each player. They are still the favourites,

[Slim Charless]

Oh gosh wait till Enegmatic gets a whiff of this. Everything is playing out exactly like we said it was and I’m loving every second of it. I’m like a pig in **** right now, bring me more scraps so I can wallow in my glorious filth.

No one here cares about your dating trends bro. Stick to the subject of the Suns. Unless you're too immature to handle focusing on the team you follow.

not only are you literally wrong about everything but you’re the board topic police now?

....or I'm not a sophomoric child. But don't let me stop you from talking about your love life here on the board. Continue posting about the filthy things you like to do with pigs

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah Ayton was never going to be cool with the role the team needed him to play this year so it's best for everyone that this chapter in suns history is over.

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Well, I can't wholly blame him.

I can't think of any #1 pick who's job is basically play defense and do the dirty work, have zero plays run for him.

Monty and James Jones need to take their fair share of the blame and bitching and moaning around here.

It's an offensive star's league nowadays, and we picked a center not known for his passing or 3 point shot.

Let's **** move on and win games, gel, and lock-in.

Andrew Bogut won championships by basically playing the role they needed out of Ayton this year.

Fultz is a role player on a mediocre team, Ben Simmons wishes he was a role player on a mediocre team.

Just because you were the 1st pick it doesn't necessarily mean the O needs to be built around you.

But yeah drafting a C with his skill set 1 was dumb the day they did it.

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[Mulhollanddrive]

Also he was no.2 option with our injuries for a couple months and he became a worse player because his extra shots were 40% jumpers.

[spanishninja]

Also he was no.2 option with our injuries for a couple months and he became a worse player because his extra shots were 40% jumpers.

this is while Mikal was greatly stepping up and developing himself as a primary option (compare January numbers for both guys). This is why I am skeptical that DA will blossom in the same way that Bridges did. There was opportunity for him to take advantage of increased usage, but he didn't succeed.

[bwgood77]

Question for you guys: if the Suns had this current roster last year vs the Nuggets, does the series end differently? I think we all know the answer to that. Getting there healthy is everything.


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Who knows? We haven't even seen this current team play yet. Denver was very tough last year. The games we won we barely won and the games we lost were bad. In game 5, KD was like 10-24 with 5 turnovers and Book was 8-19. In game 6, Book was 4-13 with a -27 and KD was 8-19 with 4 turnovers.

Denver really crushed everyone else.

Hopefully the team gels well, but more importantly, hopefully our main guys can play well at the end of close series, as we have been very bad in elimination games. We will need to be better when our backs are against the wall. Hopefully they are. No one in the league could stop Jokic last year either.

Just as I have felt the last few years, as tough as the west is if everyone is healhty, I think we could win it all or lose in the first round (if we are like a 4 or 5 seed and the LA teams, GS, Denver, Memphis, etc are healthy).

But it will really come down to which teams are healthy. If we are healthy for the playoffs as we mostly have been, and teams like the Clips, Grizzlies, Denver before that, the Lakers before that too, etc, are injured, then we definitely will be in the drivers seat.

[bwgood77]

Question for you guys: if the Suns had this current roster last year vs the Nuggets, does the series end differently? I think we all know the answer to that. Getting there healthy is everything.


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I think it might have even been different had Chris Paul not got injured. No idea with this team though because we haven’t seen one minute of them.

Denver is a well rounded team with the perfect role for each player. They are still the favourites,

I think if Chris Paul didn't get injured vs Dallas the previous year (it was obvious he was not the same player after game 2), and start fouling out, having more turnovers than assists, not being able to play D and targeted by Luka, etc, and his mid range game became non existent, that series probably wouldn't have gone 7 games. Of course the whole team crapped the bed in that game. Hopefully we avoid these elimination games because we seem to get crushed in them and for whatever reason. It seems like we just completely choke. KD has always had problems too outside of joining the championship Warriors...going back to OKC...and Book is like 16-48 in elimination games with and like 1-14 from 3 or something.

[Saberestar]

Gambo did what Gambo does best!

He answered the question: Did Deandre Ayton ask the Phoenix Suns to trade him?

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[matt131]

He may not have played for us this year, but dang it’s gonna sting if he’s a really strong role player

https://x.com/scooperhoops/status/1709718382273061274

[NapoleonII]

Yeah Ayton was never going to be cool with the role the team needed him to play this year so it's best for everyone that this chapter in suns history is over.

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Well, I can't wholly blame him.

I can't think of any #1 pick who's job is basically play defense and do the dirty work, have zero plays run for him.

Monty and James Jones need to take their fair share of the blame and bitching and moaning around here.

It's an offensive star's league nowadays, and we picked a center not known for his passing or 3 point shot.

Let's **** move on and win games, gel, and lock-in.

Andrew Bogut won championships by basically playing the role they needed out of Ayton this year.

Fultz is a role player on a mediocre team, Ben Simmons wishes he was a role player on a mediocre team.

Just because you were the 1st pick it doesn't necessarily mean the O needs to be built around you.

But yeah drafting a C with his skill set 1 was dumb the day they did it.

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He didn't win any championship on a max contract, and he was well past his prime. He was nothing but a 5th option, release valve on those warrior teams, as he should have been. Injuries did him in. He was always a monster rebounder and shot blocker and was drafted for these things.

When you cherry pick somebody, at least make it make sense.

Ayton was told to focus on defense and efficiency for 3+ years, and he was pretty damn serviceable at those things. Monty's system and our ball dominant guards wanted to take their shots, and they did. We lost when it mattered.

[lilfishi22]

Question for you guys: if the Suns had this current roster last year vs the Nuggets, does the series end differently? I think we all know the answer to that. Getting there healthy is everything.


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Yes, I believe Suns would win in a hard fought 7 games. After Booker and KD who else stepped up for us? Now if we had Beal, Gordon, Yatu, Nurkic it would be a whole different ball game. If KD & Booker get double teamed we no longer have to rely on Shamet, Warren, Ross to save us but on players who can get their own shots off and create their own shots unlike TJ, Ross, Shamet who just wait in the corner to be spoon fed

Agreed. Our issue against the Nuggets was they had a team whereas we had two superstars. Murray played well, AG played well, Jokic was unstoppable and they had great contributions from Brown, MPJ and KCP. It's just not enough for 2 guys to play really well and get next to nothing from the rest of the team. I mean, KD had to be our leading rebounder and shotblocker while also chipping in 30ppg with 5apg and he didn't even have the best series because he wasn't particularly efficient. Book straight up went super saiyan scoring the ball and was our efficiency, assist and scoring leader...All that just to win 2 close games. It didn't help we only got 2 games from CP3 or that decided to take the night off in G6.

I think we addressed a lot of the weaknesses in that series, namely find more reliable scoring outside of Book/KD (Beal/EG), rebounding (Nurk + a bunch of longbois) and shooting.