The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[thamadkant]

Bucks are likely to rebuild. Lillard at his age is not coming back near his peak or star form with an Achilles tear at his age so Spurs are in the prime position to get him.
2 young players in Castle and Vassell, 2025 Pick 2 and 3 future first picks sounds about right.

Suns are a mess. I've mentioned this before but the most logical way to fix the future and still try for playoffs is to extend KD and trade Booker for a 3 first rounders and a young player who has potential or 5 first rounders and filler... but who would do that?

Rockets is highly unlikely to give the farm for Booker since the Suns trade for KD is the perfect example of what NOT to do... never give up the farm when your core and team gets gutted.

[Puff]

Things are such a mess that shows like PHNX have to talk about wildly unrealistic trade scenarios that will never happen.

That and the show has just kind of been garbage with Lindsay getting fired & Saul no longer being a regular it's not the same show anymore.

Haven't listened since Lindsay was let go and while I enjoy Gerald, he just isn't enough for me to tune in and have to listen to the other dudes.

I wondered what happened to Lindsay and I also enjoyed Saul. Is Flex still around?

Lindsay is really an attractive young lady. I would think a lot of folks tuned in just because of her. Quite frankly I think Gerald is a mess. He comes up with a scenario on every action or non action. Kind of like this forum.

[Calvin Klein]

Things are such a mess that shows like PHNX have to talk about wildly unrealistic trade scenarios that will never happen.

That and the show has just kind of been garbage with Lindsay getting fired & Saul no longer being a regular it's not the same show anymore.

Haven't listened since Lindsay was let go and while I enjoy Gerald, he just isn't enough for me to tune in and have to listen to the other dudes.

Seriously, they had a good fun group but they went Ishbia mode and brought that fraud Flex and destroyed everything. I haven't watched again since that idiot was brought in but now there's a dude wearing way too short shorts, WTF?

[Frank Lee]

No, I don't think they would give up PG13 and the 3rd pick to dump PG13 for Beals almost equally terrible contract

The Suns need to stay away from George. Even for the 3rd pick -- his contract is terrible too

The Suns have to face reality with Beal - he is a negative asset and I used to think it would be best to just become a big expiring in two years but if he accepts the 30-35m buyout and they stretch him -- if they are a young enough team - they should overcome that 20m

Why do you keep referencing 30-35 mill for a buy out? You either buy him out or you dont. You have no Fn idea of what that will be. And It doesn’t matter unless you stretch him. If Phnx wants to stretch him it’s less than 20 mill to work number wise. And did yall forget about his NTC?

I guess If you say it enough it becomes fact tho eh?

With Beal, You either keep him or buy him out and/or stretch him. That’s it. You aren’t trading this dude without burying yourselves deeper.

This off season can’t end soon enough. I’ve never seen such a collection wild and unrealistic trades/ideas. Both thought up here and reposted from clickbait desperados. It’s fn infectious. This site could be renamed UnrealGM.

Not your GMjunkieAzz faults tho, and I know I am hollering at clouds….because some of you HAVE to post….

But There just are not many options available.

This is the Rock hard place painted into the corner scenario we feared once the ALL IN road was taken.

I’d advise adopting a second team to get through the next few yrs.

[schnakenpopanz]

GoK has a field day with his creativity. I hope in real life you work as some kind of creative director, but I think there are 0 chance we will get fair or at least even value for Booker and or Durant. The trade partners know the Suns are desperate and screwed long term. If it wasn't for Beal the team would have a chance to re-tool in some kind of way.
We have realistic two pathways:
Extend KD and Booker and wait until Beal expires.
Let KD and Beal expire and look hat we get for Booker come next off season

[KdoubleDees23]

Booker won't be traded.

KD will. I don't think we will get much value though

[BobbieL]

No, I don't think they would give up PG13 and the 3rd pick to dump PG13 for Beals almost equally terrible contract

The Suns need to stay away from George. Even for the 3rd pick -- his contract is terrible too

The Suns have to face reality with Beal - he is a negative asset and I used to think it would be best to just become a big expiring in two years but if he accepts the 30-35m buyout and they stretch him -- if they are a young enough team - they should overcome that 20m

Why do you keep referencing 30-35 mill for a buy out? You either buy him out or you dont. You have no Fn idea of what that will be. And It doesn’t matter unless you stretch him. If Phnx wants to stretch him it’s less than 20 mill to work number wise. And did yall forget about his NTC?

I guess If you say it enough it becomes fact tho eh?

With Beal, You either keep him or buy him out and/or stretch him. That’s it. You aren’t trading this dude without burying yourselves deeper.

This off season can’t end soon enough. I’ve never seen such a collection wild and unrealistic trades/ideas. Both thought up here and reposted from clickbait desperados. It’s fn infectious. This site could be renamed UnrealGM.

Not your GMjunkieAzz faults tho, and I know I am hollering at clouds….because some of you HAVE to post….

But There just are not many options available.

This is the Rock hard place painted into the corner scenario we feared once the ALL IN road was taken.

I’d advise adopting a second team to get through the next few yrs.

Unless I am mistaken, only so much of your yearly salary cap can be "stretched dollars." And with Little counting $7m and I think Liddle counting $700k - that Beal would need to come in at like $16m per year to combine with the other two

110-30 = 80. ? And now you take 80 and divide by 5 (for the number of years . I am not stretching him for 30-35 - I am reducing the 110 by 30 to 35

So we add the three numbers together: 16 + 7 +700k = $23.7m

So again, unless I am mistaken -- but I think to buy him out they just can't divide the 110/5 because that is too much money being stretched

Personally, again, I don't think the short term gain is worth the longer term pain and I would see if Beal takes 95 and he is an expiring in 2027

[phnart]

The Suns “brain” is going to f@&k things up even worse before it gets better. We all know this. Ishbia means well, I’m sure, but he hasn’t made a good personnel move yet. I’m hopeful they decide to blow it up but they won’t.

And the NBA is just praying for a Knicks championship.

[BobbieL]

Things are such a mess that shows like PHNX have to talk about wildly unrealistic trade scenarios that will never happen.

That and the show has just kind of been garbage with Lindsay getting fired & Saul no longer being a regular it's not the same show anymore.

Haven't listened since Lindsay was let go and while I enjoy Gerald, he just isn't enough for me to tune in and have to listen to the other dudes.

Seriously, they had a good fun group but they went Ishbia mode and brought that fraud Flex and destroyed everything. I haven't watched again since that idiot was brought in but now there's a dude wearing way too short shorts, WTF?

I think Gerald is good but its Ruby who is the idiot I think. He is too much fan boy "stan" to be taken seriously. Take the emotion out of if Erik. Over the top takes for sure. Flex was a terrible hire - always wore sunglasses inside - not sure if for his eyes or he thought he was cool

Lindsay just made it a bit more fun. Pridgeon is knowledgeable about the game itself and has good takes. But he also said he would trade Durant for PG13 and the 3rd pick so he lost me on that one

[Sunsdeuce]

Bucks are likely to rebuild. Lillard at his age is not coming back near his peak or star form with an Achilles tear at his age so Spurs are in the prime position to get him.
2 young players in Castle and Vassell, 2025 Pick 2 and 3 future first picks sounds about right.

Suns are a mess. I've mentioned this before but the most logical way to fix the future and still try for playoffs is to extend KD and trade Booker for a 3 first rounders and a young player who has potential or 5 first rounders and filler... but who would do that?

Rockets is highly unlikely to give the farm for Booker since the Suns trade for KD is the perfect example of what NOT to do... never give up the farm when your core and team gets gutted.

There is no logical way to be competitive or look forward to the future with Booker and KD on this team. The problem with KD, Booker and Beal is they are mirror images of each other. KD and Booker lack passion. Booker isn’t a superstar that he thinks he is. But point is, those three essentially do the exact same thing on the floor except KD is taller more athletic and can do more because of that.

It was a dumb pairing to begin with. Again there is NO competitive team the Suns can floor as long as KD and Booker are on this roster. There is zero diversity within the “big 3” so there is no role players that you can add to fix this teams current problem.

This team needs to be gutted. A REAL rebuild involves trading both KD AND Booker. Unserious front offices would blame coaches and role players for this teams problems. Superstars elevate the players around them (ala Barkley, Nash even Kidd did it). Booker has elevated no player since he’s been drafted. He’s had players elevate him.

Bottom line some of people here want to play ignorant on is this big 3 is a failure from top to bottom. Not the coaches, not the role players. A real rebuild and a real chance at competing again involves moving on from KD and Booker.

[Saberestar]

Michael Scotto:

Sources: Hornets assistant Josh Longstaff is among the candidates for the Suns head coaching job.

He was an assistant for Bulls coach Billy Donovan, former Bucks coach Mike Budenholzer, Team USA for Jeff Van Gundy, Erie BayHawks head coach, a Knicks assistant, and worked for OKC.

[garrick]

Things are such a mess that shows like PHNX have to talk about wildly unrealistic trade scenarios that will never happen.

That and the show has just kind of been garbage with Lindsay getting fired & Saul no longer being a regular it's not the same show anymore.

Haven't listened since Lindsay was let go and while I enjoy Gerald, he just isn't enough for me to tune in and have to listen to the other dudes.

Seriously, they had a good fun group but they went Ishbia mode and brought that fraud Flex and destroyed everything. I haven't watched again since that idiot was brought in but now there's a dude wearing way too short shorts, WTF?

I think they got bought by ALL CITY or something right around the time Flex came on and the show has been getting worse by the day but the future of that show is not great unless the Suns magically become a winning team again.

The show has been going downhill after they cut ties with Dave King.

[Saberestar]

No, I don't think they would give up PG13 and the 3rd pick to dump PG13 for Beals almost equally terrible contract

The Suns need to stay away from George. Even for the 3rd pick -- his contract is terrible too

The Suns have to face reality with Beal - he is a negative asset and I used to think it would be best to just become a big expiring in two years but if he accepts the 30-35m buyout and they stretch him -- if they are a young enough team - they should overcome that 20m

Why do you keep referencing 30-35 mill for a buy out? You either buy him out or you dont. You have no Fn idea of what that will be. And It doesn’t matter unless you stretch him. If Phnx wants to stretch him it’s less than 20 mill to work number wise. And did yall forget about his NTC?

I guess If you say it enough it becomes fact tho eh?

With Beal, You either keep him or buy him out and/or stretch him. That’s it. You aren’t trading this dude without burying yourselves deeper.

This off season can’t end soon enough. I’ve never seen such a collection wild and unrealistic trades/ideas. Both thought up here and reposted from clickbait desperados. It’s fn infectious. This site could be renamed UnrealGM.

Not your GMjunkieAzz faults tho, and I know I am hollering at clouds….because some of you HAVE to post….

But There just are not many options available.

This is the Rock hard place painted into the corner scenario we feared once the ALL IN road was taken.

I’d advise adopting a second team to get through the next few yrs.

Unless I am mistaken, only so much of your yearly salary cap can be "stretched dollars." And with Little counting $7m and I think Liddle counting $700k - that Beal would need to come in at like $16m per year to combine with the other two

110-30 = 80. ? And now you take 80 and divide by 5 (for the number of years . I am not stretching him for 30-35 - I am reducing the 110 by 30 to 35

So we add the three numbers together: 16 + 7 +700k = $23.7m

So again, unless I am mistaken -- but I think to buy him out they just can't divide the 110/5 because that is too much money being stretched

Personally, again, I don't think the short term gain is worth the longer term pain and I would see if Beal takes 95 and he is an expiring in 2027

Yeah, your numbers aren't right because Nassir Little costs to the Suns $3.1M of dead cap space per year.

So the raw right numbers are:

We can have at most $23M (15% cap) in dead money.

$3.1M Nassir Little
$0.7M EJ Liddell
$19M (at most) Bradley Beal. 19 × 5 years: $95M.

So again...hopefully we can agree on that FINALLY...we just need to agree on a $95M buyout with Beal to buyout him and stretch his contract.

He would renounce to less than $16M. Hopefully he agrees on a bit more, but just renouncing to those $16M are enough for the Suns and he can get much more than that money on FA.

You don't think that he can't get a $25M/2 years deal with another team? Only with that simple contract he would earn $9M more than on his current deal...MORE MONEY MORE HAPPY BEAL.

[BobbieL]

Why do you keep referencing 30-35 mill for a buy out? You either buy him out or you dont. You have no Fn idea of what that will be. And It doesn’t matter unless you stretch him. If Phnx wants to stretch him it’s less than 20 mill to work number wise. And did yall forget about his NTC?

I guess If you say it enough it becomes fact tho eh?

With Beal, You either keep him or buy him out and/or stretch him. That’s it. You aren’t trading this dude without burying yourselves deeper.

This off season can’t end soon enough. I’ve never seen such a collection wild and unrealistic trades/ideas. Both thought up here and reposted from clickbait desperados. It’s fn infectious. This site could be renamed UnrealGM.

Not your GMjunkieAzz faults tho, and I know I am hollering at clouds….because some of you HAVE to post….

But There just are not many options available.

This is the Rock hard place painted into the corner scenario we feared once the ALL IN road was taken.

I’d advise adopting a second team to get through the next few yrs.

Unless I am mistaken, only so much of your yearly salary cap can be "stretched dollars." And with Little counting $7m and I think Liddle counting $700k - that Beal would need to come in at like $16m per year to combine with the other two

110-30 = 80. ? And now you take 80 and divide by 5 (for the number of years . I am not stretching him for 30-35 - I am reducing the 110 by 30 to 35

So we add the three numbers together: 16 + 7 +700k = $23.7m

So again, unless I am mistaken -- but I think to buy him out they just can't divide the 110/5 because that is too much money being stretched

Personally, again, I don't think the short term gain is worth the longer term pain and I would see if Beal takes 95 and he is an expiring in 2027

Yeah, your numbers aren't right because Nassir Little costs to the Suns $3.1M of dead cap space per year.

So the raw right numbers are:

We can have at most $23M (15% cap) in dead money.

$3.1M Nassir Little
$0.7M EJ Liddell
$19M (at most) Bradley Beal. 19 × 5 years: $95M.

So again...hopefully we can agree on that FINALLY...we just need to agree on a $95M buyout with Beal to buyout him and stretch his contract.

He would renounce to less than $16M. Hopefully he agrees on a bit more, but just renouncing to those $16M are enough for the Suns and he can get much more than that money on FA.

You don't think that he can't get a $25M/2 years deal with another team? Only with that simple contract he would earn $9M more than on his current deal...MORE MONEY MORE HAPPY BEAL.

Thanks for the update -- I am not sure why I thought it was 7 and 3 - my bad

I truly think Beal will get a 1+1 type deal - maybe $25m but only the first year guaranteed. He isn't good and he is injured a lot

But to your point about the number - if the number is 95 -- I think Beal takes it - but I think just suck it up, 2025/2026 is basically a goner already - why inflict an additional four years of pain when you can just be done in two years -- so one more year.
I get for Ishbia - it saves him a lot of money

[bwgood77]

Big swing with the 10 pick? I don't think KD has as much value as some think, but surely more than the 10th pick in a not great draft after the top few picks. Kind of a dropoff after the 1st and then again after the 2nd.

As much as I don't want to keep KD, if the goal is really to try and get into the playoffs, keeping KD might be our best bet. I can't imagine better than a first round exit since we would likely match up against a top team, but if that's their goal, keep KD, and if they are falling short, make deals at the deadline. Teams might be more desperate then and maybe if we are like 12th or 13th and are dealing KD, Book will be open to a trade too. Houston will probably want Book but I imagine a team like Memphis might too.

Ja is hurt a lot and I know some are not a fan, but maybe him and a bunch of picks, since Book can play pg and they also have Scotty Pippen Jr to play it.

Booker for Ja kinda rhymes with Kidd for Marbury, doesn't it?

Put Brandon Clarke in the deal. Now we're cooking with oil.

The issue with pairing Ja and KD is kind of the same issue we have now with KD and Book... there's still no talent in the front court, limited depth, energy and talent down the roster. But hey. We gotta take some kind of chance, don't we?

Yeah maybe. I think of Ja more as the only piece Memphis would give up where it is a big contract. I thought you were super high on Ja and at one point it seems like you mentioned him as possibly becoming one of, if not the best players in the NBA.

Anyway, he is super talented. He just doesn't stay healthy. I think he's a lot bigger difference maker and a lot more dynamic than Book.

But I would still want like 4 picks with him and another pretty good player.

I'm just thinking of teams with talent that could really use a go to scorer. JJJ has become an awesome go to guy, so maybe they could focus on more defense. They are still young with JJJ young, Bane, especially Edey, and then guys like Scotty Pippen Jr, Jaylen Wells was a great pick.

To clarify my post, when just rereading it after getting a notification, I meanto to say I think Ja's a lot more dynamic and bigger different maker than Marbury, not Book. I don't think he's as good as Book or as big of difference maker, though more dynamic. That was a brain fart typo. But if we were getting a few picks and another prospect it might be a potential option if we ever do put Book on the table.

[bwgood77]

Things are such a mess that shows like PHNX have to talk about wildly unrealistic trade scenarios that will never happen.

That and the show has just kind of been garbage with Lindsay getting fired & Saul no longer being a regular it's not the same show anymore.

Haven't listened since Lindsay was let go and while I enjoy Gerald, he just isn't enough for me to tune in and have to listen to the other dudes.

I can't imagine spending time listening to Suns podcasts right now. Checking the boards right now once every few days to see the same things is enough. Seems like they'd be just rehashing the same stuff repeatedly like we do, though I guess with the lottery playing out it changes things up a bit. And teams getting eliminated when they do. Like Houston going out first round, but we were already hoping for that and outlined all scenarios with them.

[bwgood77]

The Suns “brain” is going to f@&k things up even worse before it gets better. We all know this. Ishbia means well, I’m sure, but he hasn’t made a good personnel move yet. I’m hopeful they decide to blow it up but they won’t.

And the NBA is just praying for a Knicks championship.

Yeah, the longer he tries to cobble the team together the bigger chance he starts swapping the 32 pick, trading the 33 pick unprotected, etc.

[bwgood77]

So we are looking at a coach named Longstaff. Frank should have some fun with that one. It's already a great start.

[thamadkant]

No, I don't think they would give up PG13 and the 3rd pick to dump PG13 for Beals almost equally terrible contract

The Suns need to stay away from George. Even for the 3rd pick -- his contract is terrible too

The Suns have to face reality with Beal - he is a negative asset and I used to think it would be best to just become a big expiring in two years but if he accepts the 30-35m buyout and they stretch him -- if they are a young enough team - they should overcome that 20m

Why do you keep referencing 30-35 mill for a buy out? You either buy him out or you dont. You have no Fn idea of what that will be. And It doesn’t matter unless you stretch him. If Phnx wants to stretch him it’s less than 20 mill to work number wise. And did yall forget about his NTC?

I guess If you say it enough it becomes fact tho eh?

With Beal, You either keep him or buy him out and/or stretch him. That’s it. You aren’t trading this dude without burying yourselves deeper.

This off season can’t end soon enough. I’ve never seen such a collection wild and unrealistic trades/ideas. Both thought up here and reposted from clickbait desperados. It’s fn infectious. This site could be renamed UnrealGM.

Not your GMjunkieAzz faults tho, and I know I am hollering at clouds….because some of you HAVE to post….

But There just are not many options available.

This is the Rock hard place painted into the corner scenario we feared once the ALL IN road was taken.

I’d advise adopting a second team to get through the next few yrs.

1. According to some, Beal cannot be stretched because Suns already used that provision on someone.

2. Agree with adopting a second team, Suns are a mess and life is too short to wait for them to be worth stressing out for. Knicks are likeable with Bridges and Brunson as an example. As long as Lakers don't win a ring in the next decade, that would good enough for now.

[sunsbum]

No, I don't think they would give up PG13 and the 3rd pick to dump PG13 for Beals almost equally terrible contract

The Suns need to stay away from George. Even for the 3rd pick -- his contract is terrible too

The Suns have to face reality with Beal - he is a negative asset and I used to think it would be best to just become a big expiring in two years but if he accepts the 30-35m buyout and they stretch him -- if they are a young enough team - they should overcome that 20m

Why do you keep referencing 30-35 mill for a buy out? You either buy him out or you dont. You have no Fn idea of what that will be. And It doesn’t matter unless you stretch him. If Phnx wants to stretch him it’s less than 20 mill to work number wise. And did yall forget about his NTC?

I guess If you say it enough it becomes fact tho eh?

With Beal, You either keep him or buy him out and/or stretch him. That’s it. You aren’t trading this dude without burying yourselves deeper.

This off season can’t end soon enough. I’ve never seen such a collection wild and unrealistic trades/ideas. Both thought up here and reposted from clickbait desperados. It’s fn infectious. This site could be renamed UnrealGM.

Not your GMjunkieAzz faults tho, and I know I am hollering at clouds….because some of you HAVE to post….

But There just are not many options available.

This is the Rock hard place painted into the corner scenario we feared once the ALL IN road was taken.

I’d advise adopting a second team to get through the next few yrs.

1. According to some, Beal cannot be stretched because Suns already used that provision on someone.

2. Agree with adopting a second team, Suns are a mess and life is too short to wait for them to be worth stressing out for. Knicks are likeable with Bridges and Brunson as an example. As long as Lakers don't win a ring in the next decade, that would good enough for now.

. To add to this the league is fake anyways. We’ve caught the tip of the iceberg when it comes to some of the NBA scandals. I’m sure it’s much worse beneath the sheets. For example the Amare suspension never sat right with me. Now that we’ve learned that the spurs are the NBA’s international darling for whatever reason it all kinda makes sense. The problem is, now that the integrity is gone I have no faith that previous hiccups were just “oopies”. The stern envelope etc I will always look at any suspicious move past and present with distrust. It’s like PC gaming now, so many cheaters I just assume everyone’s cheating and I no longer care about playing games which isn’t such a bad thing lol