2019 season speculation including trade ideas

Dual · Post #2061 » by **Dual** » Sun Dec 8, 2019 10:42 pm

Okobo is the answer I believe

Fo-Real · Post #2062 » by **Fo-Real** » Sun Dec 8, 2019 10:53 pm

I am terrified of Loves age, contract and injury history but it's no question that he would be a huge upgrade at pf over what we have now. His offensive game is so fluid, shoots it like a champ, sets good screens and is a great passer. You add a flat out dangerous scorer to one of the best passing backcourts in the league and you could very well get fireworks. His defense when properly motivated cant be worse than Saric or the Tank.

Post #2063 » by **lilfishi22** » Sun Dec 8, 2019 11:04 pm

Fo-Real wrote:I am terrified of Loves age, contract and injury history but it's no question that he would be a huge upgrade at pf over what we have now. His offensive game is so fluid, shoots it like a champ, sets good screens and is a great passer. You add a flat out dangerous scorer to one of the best passing backcourts in the league and you could very well get fireworks. His defense when properly motivated cant be worse than Saric or the Tank.

Totally agree

Love would be an amazing fit next to Ayton and we would probably have the best rebounding front court with them two gobbling up boards. I can just imagine Love shooting at a high clip and high volume from 3 while while Ayton is beasting in the paint. Love would also be a great fit next to Baynes too since Love can play inside as well.

All of that is great but everything you've noted; age, contract and injury history is just a little too much of a concern.

RiRuHoops · Post #2064 » by **RiRuHoops** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 12:44 am

Dual wrote:Okobo is the answer I believe

That's naive.

RiRuHoops · Post #2065 » by **RiRuHoops** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 12:47 am

hollywood6964 wrote:We need a backup pg, 100%. We know what we have isn't cutting it.

Our bigs have been hurt, but only with nagging injuries, or suspended. We have plenty when it comes to big men, but when it comes to creators and pgs, we're in a severe shortage. Backup pg is what we need.

That's becoming evident. But it gets worse if you realize that Rubio isn't an ironman and when he misses games with some back or thigh problems we have no adequate cover. We are back to last season form really.

Post #2066 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 1:43 am

RiRuSuns wrote:
Dual wrote:Okobo is the answer I believe

That's naive.

No, not seeing it probably is. He has over an 8-1 ast/to ratio, good defense, and an improving shot. He is only going to get better from here. He should be seeing the floor, but they must want to put the guy they just drafted out there.

Post #2067 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 1:52 am

bwgood77 wrote:
RiRuSuns wrote:
Dual wrote:Okobo is the answer I believe

That's naive.

No, not seeing it probably is. He has over an 8-1 ast/to ratio, good defense, and an improving shot. He is only going to get better from here. He should be seeing the floor, but they must want to put the guy they just drafted out there.

Who are we talking about here? I'm confused

Post #2068 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 1:54 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
RiRuSuns wrote:
That's naive.

No, not seeing it probably is. He has over an 8-1 ast/to ratio, good defense, and an improving shot. He is only going to get better from here. He should be seeing the floor, but they must want to put the guy they just drafted out there.

Who are we talking about here? I'm confused

The first guy quoted in your above post. Start on post 2060.

Saberestar · Post #2069 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 1:59 am

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RiRuHoops · Post #2070 » by **RiRuHoops** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 2:06 am

bwgood77 wrote:
RiRuSuns wrote:
Dual wrote:Okobo is the answer I believe

That's naive.

No, not seeing it probably is. He has over an 8-1 ast/to ratio, good defense, and an improving shot. He is only going to get better from here. He should be seeing the floor, but they must want to put the guy they just drafted out there.

Yes, if we play him more that ast/to ratio will reach 20-1. GOAT point guard !!! Move over John Stockton :lol:

But seriously, why bring that random unsustainable stat on small sample size into argument. I'm all for giving Okobo time over Jerome to see how it goes, but realistically my expectations are very low.

Post #2071 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 2:29 am

RiRuSuns wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
RiRuSuns wrote:
That's naive.

No, not seeing it probably is. He has over an 8-1 ast/to ratio, good defense, and an improving shot. He is only going to get better from here. He should be seeing the floor, but they must want to put the guy they just drafted out there.

Yes, if we play him more that ast/to ratio will reach 20-1. GOAT point guard !!! Move over John Stockton

But seriously, why bring that random unsustainable stat on small sample size into argument. I'm all for giving Okobo time over Jerome to see how it goes, but realistically my expectations are very low.

+1

Post #2072 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 2:51 am

RiRuSuns wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
RiRuSuns wrote:
That's naive.

No, not seeing it probably is. He has over an 8-1 ast/to ratio, good defense, and an improving shot. He is only going to get better from here. He should be seeing the floor, but they must want to put the guy they just drafted out there.

Yes, if we play him more that ast/to ratio will reach 20-1. GOAT point guard !!! Move over John Stockton

But seriously, why bring that random unsustainable stat on small sample size into argument. I'm all for giving Okobo time over Jerome to see how it goes, but realistically my expectations are very low.

No, I don't expect it to reach that, but he is very good at not turning it over and making smart passes. It could stay at 4 or 5 to 1, but even if it dropped to 3-1, that's still really good.

Dual · Post #2073 » by **Dual** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 2:59 am

We just need to see how it goes, Monty's brain is a mystery sometimes.
With Diallo I think we finally realized why it is, a lot of times makes costly mistakes on D.
With Okobo I dont understand, as he can also play with Jerome at the same time.

suns12345 · Post #2074 » by **suns12345** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 3:01 am

bwgood77 wrote:
RiRuSuns wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
No, not seeing it probably is. He has over an 8-1 ast/to ratio, good defense, and an improving shot. He is only going to get better from here. He should be seeing the floor, but they must want to put the guy they just drafted out there.

Yes, if we play him more that ast/to ratio will reach 20-1. GOAT point guard !!! Move over John Stockton

But seriously, why bring that random unsustainable stat on small sample size into argument. I'm all for giving Okobo time over Jerome to see how it goes, but realistically my expectations are very low.

No, I don't expect it to reach that, but he is very good at not turning it over and making smart passes. It could stay at 4 or 5 to 1, but even if it dropped to 3-1, that's still really good.

When did we decide to not like Jerome? I think he is doing ok for first few games back in a while?

I haven't been watching the game threads as the hot takes are a bit much for me at the moment. I assume people didn't love his defense yesterday on westbrook etc? but old man westbrook is a tough cover for anyone.

Ghost of Kleine · Post #2075 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 3:02 am

RiRuSuns wrote:
hollywood6964 wrote:We need a backup pg, 100%. We know what we have isn't cutting it.

Our bigs have been hurt, but only with nagging injuries, or suspended. We have plenty when it comes to big men, but when it comes to creators and pgs, we're in a severe shortage. Backup pg is what we need.

That's becoming evident. But it gets worse if you realize that Rubio isn't an ironman and when he misses games with some back or thigh problems we have no adequate cover. We are back to last season form really.

Just sign a Jeremy Lin, Shaun Livingston, or Shelvin Mack. Or maybe even trade for a Dennis Smith Jr. Once the knicks have a firesale soon! Then draft a great guard in the first or 2nd round ( Hello Tyus Jones or Ayo Dosunma) of the 2020 draft. The combo I wanted in a trade was Aaron Gordon and DJ Augustine, IF we could swing it. Otherwise we could just trade Kaminsky for Bellinelli perhaps? The point is that there are as lot of quality options out there, and I'd expect that we'll pick up somebody either in a trade, a 10 day contract, or other?

Post #2076 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 3:03 am

suns12345 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
RiRuSuns wrote:
Yes, if we play him more that ast/to ratio will reach 20-1. GOAT point guard !!! Move over John Stockton

But seriously, why bring that random unsustainable stat on small sample size into argument. I'm all for giving Okobo time over Jerome to see how it goes, but realistically my expectations are very low.

No, I don't expect it to reach that, but he is very good at not turning it over and making smart passes. It could stay at 4 or 5 to 1, but even if it dropped to 3-1, that's still really good.

When did we decide to not like Jerome? I think he is doing ok for first few games back in a while?

I haven't been watching the game threads as the hot takes are a bit much for me at the moment. I assume people didn't love his defense yesterday on westbrook etc? but old man westbrook is a tough cover for anyone.

I think Jerome has looked decent for a guy just catching up to NBA speed.

Dual · Post #2077 » by **Dual** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 3:04 am

I dont know about the others but Jeremy Lin is really bad at least from last season, you dont want him even as a 6th guard.

Dual · Post #2078 » by **Dual** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 3:10 am

suns12345 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
RiRuSuns wrote:
Yes, if we play him more that ast/to ratio will reach 20-1. GOAT point guard !!! Move over John Stockton

But seriously, why bring that random unsustainable stat on small sample size into argument. I'm all for giving Okobo time over Jerome to see how it goes, but realistically my expectations are very low.

No, I don't expect it to reach that, but he is very good at not turning it over and making smart passes. It could stay at 4 or 5 to 1, but even if it dropped to 3-1, that's still really good.

When did we decide to not like Jerome? I think he is doing ok for first few games back in a while?

I haven't been watching the game threads as the hot takes are a bit much for me at the moment. I assume people didn't love his defense yesterday on westbrook etc? but old man westbrook is a tough cover for anyone.

He is a rookie PG, difficult position to play in, he made a great 1st game and 2 no so good games after that, we will need time to see, he has vision and shooting for the moment (talking about the 3 games, hot take as you said), and seems to be really slow, with a good 1st step(basically cause he anticipates the play, is smart), on defense he has good hands but lacks lateral speed, but maybe the most concerning thing for playing PG is his ball handling, really subpar.
But I like him, maybe not as primary ballhandler right now, but with another ballhandler as Okobo, can work out.
This summer he can work on this things.

Ghost of Kleine · Post #2079 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 3:34 am

Dual wrote:I dont know about the others but Jeremy Lin is really bad at least from last season, you dont want him even as a 6th guard.

I'm not sure how much of lins' overall regression could be attributed to him being relegated to playing mostly garbage minutes last year, But really, I guess it just really depends upon what we'd be looking for primarily in a backup guard. Overall, there's still plenty of low cost veteran options that could be signed as an insurance policy for Rubio. At the very least, we could have some ball handlers with veteran experience.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/08/notable-free-agent-guards-still-available-2.html .

I'm not even opposed to players such as Jerryd Bayless, Or Jerian Grant or even Jody Meeks ( shooting guard). If not a Lin or Livingston. Or acquiring someone through trade. Just a reasonable stopgap should suffice I think.

Dual · Post #2080 » by **Dual** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 4:24 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Dual wrote:I dont know about the others but Jeremy Lin is really bad at least from last season, you dont want him even as a 6th guard.

I'm not sure how much of lins' overall regression could be attributed to him being relegated to playing mostly garbage minutes last year, But really, I guess it just really depends upon what we'd be looking for primarily in a backup guard. Overall, there's still plenty of low cost veteran options that could be signed as an insurance policy for Rubio. At the very least, we could have some ball handlers with veteran experience.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/08/notable-free-agent-guards-still-available-2.html .

I'm not even opposed to players such as Jerryd Bayless, Or Jerian Grant or even Jody Meeks ( shooting guard). If not a Lin or Livingston. Or acquiring someone through trade. Just a reasonable stopgap should suffice I think.

If we think we need a backup PG, first we will have to clean the house a little, right now we have 4 PGs, 5 if you count Ty Johnson as one.
After that, some of the names you gave are nice, I love Livingston.

Will Booker make the all-star team this year?