2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - The KD era begins

[Mulhollanddrive]

lol Kellan asking his rambling long questions to KD, just ask the question son

[Slim Charless]

Sure you get tax deductions and save taxes, but if you give $5 million to a charity and are in the 35% tax bracket or whatever, you are only getting a deduction of $1.75 million. While you can look at that as a nice tax deduction (or write off as you call it), but you are still paying out $5 million, so you are still out $3.25 million overall. You are reducing your income by that much (and the bonuses) and only reducing your taxes by 35% of that. I'm not a fan of Sarver, but it's a nice gesture and he's reducing his money, not saving money overall doing it.

Hmmm ... Sarver was just using the Suns as a massive write-off for his other businesses. Almost surely the Suns' financial sheets showed major losses and he used that to lower his income taxes on profits from his other businesses. He's probably in the 12% overall bracket.

I seriously doubt he's going to have a loss this year which is the year we are talking about. And if a team is losing a lot of money on an annual basis that's not a positive for an owner outside of netting it against gains elsewhere if you have them to reduce taxes.

Most of these guys consider these franchises a toy and something to brag that they have in rich guy circles.

Bill Simmons (net worth north of 100M) has said so numerous times. The team is a fun thing that can offset serious gains by the actual things that made these guys rich.

[Sunlight]

Playoff rotation:

Ayton 38min/Love 8min
Durant 40min/Craig 10min
Okogie 32min/D.Lee 16min
Booker 40min/Ross 8min
CP3 32min/Payne 16min

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Will be funny when Green signs with Phoenix for the MLE because Ishbia promises him a 7 figure no show job with his mortgage company after he retires. I kid I kid, kind of

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He has a player option for next year making $27 million. Does he intend on opting out? I suppose he might be able to get $12-15 million a year so maybe he can sign with someone at $60 million over 4 years, but he could probably also get that next summer too and not forgo the $27 million.

I did see his podcast about the trade deadline though and he kept saying good things about Ishbia, so if he doesn't get an extension or whatever, I think he would be a solid player to get, but then the Suns would have to change their team name and probably force Toronto to change their names too. We can't have two NBA teams with dinosaurs as their name.

[bwgood77]

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Will be funny when Green signs with Phoenix for the MLE because Ishbia promises him a 7 figure no show job with his mortgage company after he retires. I kid I kid, kind of

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He has a player option for next year making $27 million. Does he intend on opting out? I suppose he might be able to get $12-15 million a year so maybe he can sign with someone at $60 million over 4 years, but he could probably also get that next summer too and not forgo the $27 million.

I did see his podcast about the trade deadline though and he kept saying good things about Ishbia, so if he doesn't get an extension or whatever, I think he would be a solid player to get, but then the Suns would have to change their team name and probably force Toronto to change their names too. We can't have two NBA teams with dinosaurs as their name.

It will be interesting if he is on the open market, because while he may be by some views worth what you say, if you look at the UFA class, it is pretty weak. You do have some big names but it's unlikely a lot of teams will want those guys other than maybe the teams they are on (Harden, Kyrie, KP) and then you have some big salary guys that probably will have very little to no interest (Westbrook, Love) and then the other names have some have injury problems (Middleton)..and others have value that might vary widely depending on team (D'Russell, Vucevic) and then your names that might garner the most interest are more really solid players but not quite stars (Jerami Grant, Harrison Barnes, FVV). After that you have names that are ok but could also be overpaid.

It seems most of the cap space teams were the young rebuilding teams so free agent value this summer will be interesting. Draymond Green is so unique because he has such great strengths but also many things that make him kind of difficult to just plug into a lineup.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

I wonder how much Ishbia likes him as a Mich St guy. Green's definitely that older championship caliber player that could be a piece or a contender so I wonder if Ishbia would go for another overpay in trading Ayton for Green. I hope not but he could view such a move as going more all in now and Jones/Monty may not be terribly high on Ayton. Perhaps get something else from the Warriors like a pick. I wouldn't like the value for Ayton but we know Ishbia will go all in on older championship type guys now at the expense of youth and future potential.

[Saberestar]

I would say no to Love or Dragic. These guys are done.

Why in the world a team competing at the highest level (being 4th in the East) would waive a useful player? It's ridiculous. He is like Blake Griffin now or Millsap last year.

And Dragic's situation is about the same. The Bulls are worse than the Cavs but they have a solid roster and they are competing for the playoffs. They want an open roster spot and that's why they are waiving one of their worst players this season...Dragic.

We are getting healthy and we don't have enough minutes for everyone. We are gonna have good players with DNP.

[MrMiyagi]

I would say no to Love or Dragic. These guys are done.

Why in the world a team competing at the highest level (being 4th in the East) would waive a useful player? It's ridiculous. He is like Blake Griffin now or Millsap last year.

And Dragic's situation is about the same. The Bulls are worse than the Cavs but they have a solid roster and they are competing for the playoffs. They want an open roster spot and that's why they are waiving one of their worst players this season...Dragic.

We are getting healthy and we don't have enough minutes for everyone. We are gonna have good players with DNP.

It's better to have and not need than need and not have, but I too am uncertain of Goran's value, less so on Love's. Dude can still grab boards and shoot.

[Saberestar]

I would say no to Love or Dragic. These guys are done.

Why in the world a team competing at the highest level (being 4th in the East) would waive a useful player? It's ridiculous. He is like Blake Griffin now or Millsap last year.

And Dragic's situation is about the same. The Bulls are worse than the Cavs but they have a solid roster and they are competing for the playoffs. They want an open roster spot and that's why they are waiving one of their worst players this season...Dragic.

We are getting healthy and we don't have enough minutes for everyone. We are gonna have good players with DNP.

It's better to have and not need than need and not have, but I too am uncertain of Goran's value, less so on Love's. Dude can still grab boards and shoot.

I understand what you are saying but players aren't robots. They need to feel that they are valuable, useful and that they are part of the team. If you start collecting players and you have 15 players who think that all of them "deserve" minutes the chemistry can go down. It's always good to have players who doesn't care about that and are cheering all the time.

That's why I prefer Wainright over Love/Dragic.

[King4Day]

I would say no to Love or Dragic. These guys are done.

Why in the world a team competing at the highest level (being 4th in the East) would waive a useful player? It's ridiculous. He is like Blake Griffin now or Millsap last year.

And Dragic's situation is about the same. The Bulls are worse than the Cavs but they have a solid roster and they are competing for the playoffs. They want an open roster spot and that's why they are waiving one of their worst players this season...Dragic.

We are getting healthy and we don't have enough minutes for everyone. We are gonna have good players with DNP.

On NBA radio this morning, they said that Love asked to be bought out because the Cavs pulled him from the rotation in favor of Dean Wade.
This doesn't make the thought that he's washed any better but it explains why they would waive a guy who could help with playoff experience.

[King4Day]

Here's something I never thought about (re: Jock):

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A new owner and suddenly Suns are in every trade rumor and show interest in every buyout player. Maybe it was not Jones being lazy to make calls after all. There is a chance Love turns out to be useful despite being another player on the wrong side of 30.

[King4Day]

A new owner and suddenly Suns are in every trade rumor and show interest in every buyout player. Maybe it was not Jones being lazy to make calls after all. There is a chance Love turns out to be useful despite being another player on the wrong side of 30.

I think it's just because we got KD. If we didn't, Ross is probably a Mav and Love isn't considering Phoenix

[KdoubleDees23]

A new owner and suddenly Suns are in every trade rumor and show interest in every buyout player. Maybe it was not Jones being lazy to make calls after all. There is a chance Love turns out to be useful despite being another player on the wrong side of 30.

I think it's just because we got KD. If we didn't, Ross is probably a Mav and Love isn't considering Phoenix

If we didn't get KD. We wouldn't get one Buyout Player! That is the domino effect

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Here's something I never thought about (re: Jock):

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I honestly don't get the love Jock gets. imo he's not that good.

[King4Day]

A new owner and suddenly Suns are in every trade rumor and show interest in every buyout player. Maybe it was not Jones being lazy to make calls after all. There is a chance Love turns out to be useful despite being another player on the wrong side of 30.

I think it's just because we got KD. If we didn't, Ross is probably a Mav and Love isn't considering Phoenix

If we didn't get KD. We wouldn't get one Buyout Player! That is the domino effect

We'd probably be able to attain someone like Barton or Dragic. But the more impactful ones...not likely.

[King4Day]

Here's something I never thought about (re: Jock):

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I honestly don't get the love Jock gets. imo he's not that good.

I think he was better to start the year. As a third stringer, he's good. But much as I hate to say it, I'm no opposed to cutting him if it means getting Love.

[bwgood77]

I would say no to Love or Dragic. These guys are done.

Why in the world a team competing at the highest level (being 4th in the East) would waive a useful player? It's ridiculous. He is like Blake Griffin now or Millsap last year.

And Dragic's situation is about the same. The Bulls are worse than the Cavs but they have a solid roster and they are competing for the playoffs. They want an open roster spot and that's why they are waiving one of their worst players this season...Dragic.

We are getting healthy and we don't have enough minutes for everyone. We are gonna have good players with DNP.

It's better to have and not need than need and not have, but I too am uncertain of Goran's value, less so on Love's. Dude can still grab boards and shoot.

Yeah, he was playing really well this season until January. I can see why the Cavs bought him out since they start two big guys at C or PF, either who can play C, and have a nice backup big guy who emerged in Dean Wade.

[King4Day]

I'm willing to bet Love would take a hybrid role of the minutes Jock and Dario had.
Some games we'll need that. Others, we won't.
I can guarantee you, if he came to Phoenix, he'll be motivated to play well. Best shot at winning a title since winning with the Cavs. If he still has anything, he'll do what he has to to dig it out of himself.

[Saberestar]

I would say no to Love or Dragic. These guys are done.

Why in the world a team competing at the highest level (being 4th in the East) would waive a useful player? It's ridiculous. He is like Blake Griffin now or Millsap last year.

And Dragic's situation is about the same. The Bulls are worse than the Cavs but they have a solid roster and they are competing for the playoffs. They want an open roster spot and that's why they are waiving one of their worst players this season...Dragic.

We are getting healthy and we don't have enough minutes for everyone. We are gonna have good players with DNP.

On NBA radio this morning, they said that Love asked to be bought out because the Cavs pulled him from the rotation in favor of Dean Wade.
This doesn't make the thought that he's washed any better but it explains why they would waive a guy who could help with playoff experience.

Well, if it's true that he wants playing time we will not sign him. The Heat can offer him many more minutes per game.

“Nearly every team with playoff aspirations will be after (Love) but he will likely prioritize playing time after being taken out of Cleveland’s rotation,” Gozlan wrote. “That could eliminate teams like the Celtics, Sixers, Lakers, Nuggets, Suns, Warriors, and Clippers.

“Miami is reportedly a frontrunner for Love and may have the clearest path to consistent playing time for him with their lack of frontcourt depth. The Bucks have two open roster spots and could offer Love immediate playing time, but that could diminish once Bobby Portis returns from injury. The same goes with Dallas, who could use Love now but could be minimized once Maxi Kleber returns.”

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[Ghost of Kleine]

I would say no to Love or Dragic. These guys are done.

Why in the world a team competing at the highest level (being 4th in the East) would waive a useful player? It's ridiculous. He is like Blake Griffin now or Millsap last year.

And Dragic's situation is about the same. The Bulls are worse than the Cavs but they have a solid roster and they are competing for the playoffs. They want an open roster spot and that's why they are waiving one of their worst players this season...Dragic.

We are getting healthy and we don't have enough minutes for everyone. We are gonna have good players with DNP.

It's better to have and not need than need and not have, but I too am uncertain of Goran's value, less so on Love's. Dude can still grab boards and shoot.

Yeah, he was playing really well this season until January. I can see why the Cavs bought him out since they start two big guys at C or PF, either who can play C, and have a nice backup big guy who emerged in Dean Wade.

With BOTH the Dragic situation and the Love situation, I just think the teams are somewhat trying to emulate the Golden state warriors strategy of trying to compete whilst also embracing the youth development movement on the bench. More so with waiving Dragic so they can give more playing time to Dosunma who is a Chicago favorite and has been pretty impressive in his small samples of playing time. For Chicago finding a future long term option becomes substantially more important with Ball's chronic injuries and Lavine possibly leaving/ asking for trade! And recognizing that Dragic got his age can't be a long range investment towards their future.

For Love, a similar premise in that the Cavs front line of Allen, the Mobley brothers and Wade himself all represent the transition to a much younger timeline that Love ( for his age) simply doesn't fit! And on top of that their conttactual investment in Wade in addition to their core timeline makes Love obsolete to their goals. But for our team and timeline (post trade), Love represents essential depth towards more aggressive championship pursuits! It may just be as simple as that?