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Post#2161 » by TeamTragic » Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:02 pm

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One_and_Done wrote:I think a lot of fans don’t understand how the media works. Generally, there are two extremes for front offices, in terms of their relationships with the media.

On one end of the spectrum, you have teams like the Spurs and Thunder. Nothing leaks out of these teams, and the local media basically work as a team with the organisation to put out favourable coverage. When you see a story from local reporters about the team, you know it’s one that the front office put out there. Look at how long the Spurs kept the Kawhi problems under wraps.

These organisations all tend to be small markets, and play out West. The loyalty of the media is driven by the fact that the team is the only game in town, and the owner of the media company usually has a close relationship with the owner of the team. There’s a civic pride factor as well, of “this is our towns one team, and we’re all behind it”. On the organisation side, it also makes no sense to leak, because when you work for an organisation like San Antonio or the Thunder, you are going to be poached eventually (with that organisations blessing), and become part of their coaching/exec tree. Why would you risk that to try and get good coverage by a journalist? It’d be crazy.

On the other end of the spectrum, there are markets where everything leaks, like the Knicks. These organisations tend to be in the East, whose media is bigger than the team, and have dysfunctional owners that appoint nepotistic hires into the front office. These nepo-hires compete with each other for the ear of the interfering owner, and try to build up their own fiefdoms in the organisation. To that end, it makes sense to leak how another rivals fiefdom supposedly screwed up something. Because everyone is leaking, it’s hard to figure out who leaked what, and the owner has loyalties that mean the GM can’t just sack the people he doesn’t trust. In San Antonio or OKC, if the lead decision maker doesn’t trust you, then you’re gone. In these big, Eastern sieves, the GM is often a rival to these entrenched buddies of the owner. The biggest challenge of being the Orlando GM? You have to work with Alex “the snake” Martins, who has been there for decades and is basically the shadow GM.

That brings us back to this situation. KD is leaking through Shams who he won’t extend with. That’s to let those teams know not to bother trading for him (which will make them lower their offers, which in turn will mean the Suns won’t trade him there because the offers will suck). The Suns are leaking through their man Gambo that everything is going to be great, and they have something wonderful lined up, to get an early start on PR control with the fans, and in a doomed attempt to create leverage with the far superior organisations they’re stuck negotiating with (SA, Miami, and Houston). The Spurs are leaking to their fans that Sochan isn’t in the deal, and nor is Castle or the #2, and all they’re offering is guys like Vassell/Barnes/Keldon, and have told Sochan he isn’t getting traded (which is why he’s confidently trolling everyone on social media). That’s where things stands now. Basically anything Gambo says is spoon fed by the Suns PR, in exchange for him continuing to get favourable access.


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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2162 » by sunsbum » Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:20 pm

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Slim Charless wrote:This should mean the #2 or Castle have to be on the table for SAS. Also we need at 2 of our picks back from Houston if either team wants KD

I don't get how you can believe this. Even Sochan is off the table. The Heat don't want to include a so-so prospect in Ware. The Rockets are offering Green's bad contract and not much more. It feels like you're not reading the room at all here.

I highly doubt a deal gets done without sochan. I mean you can’t seriously come to the table and offer us a **** version of Bradley Beal and the 14th pick for KD :lol:
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2163 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:48 pm

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I would love that but short of bringing in a ball dominant PG (e.g CP3), I don't really see how he doesn't play at least a good chunk of his minutes at the 1.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2164 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:49 pm

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One_and_Done wrote:I think a lot of fans don’t understand how the media works. Generally, there are two extremes for front offices, in terms of their relationships with the media.

On one end of the spectrum, you have teams like the Spurs and Thunder. Nothing leaks out of these teams, and the local media basically work as a team with the organisation to put out favourable coverage. When you see a story from local reporters about the team, you know it’s one that the front office put out there. Look at how long the Spurs kept the Kawhi problems under wraps.

These organisations all tend to be small markets, and play out West. The loyalty of the media is driven by the fact that the team is the only game in town, and the owner of the media company usually has a close relationship with the owner of the team. There’s a civic pride factor as well, of “this is our towns one team, and we’re all behind it”. On the organisation side, it also makes no sense to leak, because when you work for an organisation like San Antonio or the Thunder, you are going to be poached eventually (with that organisations blessing), and become part of their coaching/exec tree. Why would you risk that to try and get good coverage by a journalist? It’d be crazy.

On the other end of the spectrum, there are markets where everything leaks, like the Knicks. These organisations tend to be in the East, whose media is bigger than the team, and have dysfunctional owners that appoint nepotistic hires into the front office. These nepo-hires compete with each other for the ear of the interfering owner, and try to build up their own fiefdoms in the organisation. To that end, it makes sense to leak how another rivals fiefdom supposedly screwed up something. Because everyone is leaking, it’s hard to figure out who leaked what, and the owner has loyalties that mean the GM can’t just sack the people he doesn’t trust. In San Antonio or OKC, if the lead decision maker doesn’t trust you, then you’re gone. In these big, Eastern sieves, the GM is often a rival to these entrenched buddies of the owner. The biggest challenge of being the Orlando GM? You have to work with Alex “the snake” Martins, who has been there for decades and is basically the shadow GM.

That brings us back to this situation. KD is leaking through Shams who he won’t extend with. That’s to let those teams know not to bother trading for him (which will make them lower their offers, which in turn will mean the Suns won’t trade him there because the offers will suck). The Suns are leaking through their man Gambo that everything is going to be great, and they have something wonderful lined up, to get an early start on PR control with the fans, and in a doomed attempt to create leverage with the far superior organisations they’re stuck negotiating with (SA, Miami, and Houston). The Spurs are leaking to their fans that Sochan isn’t in the deal, and nor is Castle or the #2, and all they’re offering is guys like Vassell/Barnes/Keldon, and have told Sochan he isn’t getting traded (which is why he’s confidently trolling everyone on social media). That’s where things stands now. Basically anything Gambo says is spoon fed by the Suns PR, in exchange for him continuing to get favourable access.


Thanks for all the information, random internet message board guy. When are you picking up your "RealGM Award for Awseomest Poster"...?

You should take these valuable opinions and all this information and go and share with another team's board......any other team's board.


You know it's kind of funny that this fan is trying so hard to convince everyone that Phoenix has no leverage and aren't going to get any decent offers for KD. But honestly it comes across more as if he's desperately trying to convince himself.

And the funniest part is that the majority of reports that have come out have been completely outside of the suns organization and from national media pundits/ reporters that have no vested interests or affiliation with the Phoenix Suns.

And the reports have strongly indicated that not only are there multiple bidders for KD. But there are multiple teams that have strong interest in KD even if only as a rental for one season. It's just weird that this poster seems to he trying so hard to push random narratives. :dontknow:
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2165 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:50 pm

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Obviously! It was always going to be a Randle or Gobert centric package. This is why the inclusions of Di Vincenzo, Dillingham and the 17th AND 31st picks is so very critical to replenish lost value. :nod:

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2166 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:52 pm

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I would love that but short of bringing in a ball dominant PG (e.g CP3), I don't really see how he doesn't play at least a good chunk of his minutes at the 1.


True, but maybe they have a plan in place for that very outcome, whether it be Paul, Westbrook, or Brogdon, Russell, etc? :-?
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2167 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:03 am

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2168 » by RaisingArizona » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:04 am

Bane just got traded for 4 firsts. There's not a bigger trade chip on the market this off-season even contract and age aside. I don't think we need to worry about getting fleeced anymore.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2169 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:04 am

matt131 wrote:Umm
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Between this, the Mikal trade and the Gobert trade (to Minny), I think it does make the KD trade less of an overpay. Don't get me wrong, it's still an overpay but it does put it into context what teams are willing to do to push their teams forward.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2170 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:08 am

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lol good luck Hornets. That was a once in a lifetime offer. Not only was Lakers willing to overpay but now that everyone knows he failed a medical, it's going to hurt his value further.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2171 » by TeamTragic » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:10 am

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lol good luck Hornets. That was a once in a lifetime offer. Not only was Lakers willing to overpay but now that everyone knows he failed a medical, it's going to hurt his value further.


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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2172 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:16 am

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2173 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:17 am

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I actually like this a lot for Orlando. I don't think they'll miss those 1sts too much. Suggs/Bane/Franz/Paolo/Goga or Carter Jr. is a pretty nice lineup.


They may really miss that Phx pick. But Bane is a great add for them. It's still amazing that 4 1sts get thrown around quite a bit these days for guys in their mid to late 20s who are really good all around players like him and Bridges, but not superstars.

Makes me wonder what we could really get for Booker. I think he's probably a little more highly valued than Bane, and I loved Bane (was hoping the Suns took him at 10 that year if they for some reason passed up on Haliburton, even though he was projected 2nd round).
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Post#2174 » by Sunsdeuce » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:28 am

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McDaniels is obviously on the table now. Wolves acting like he’s an all-star, trying to keep him untouchable.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2175 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:28 am

Slim Charless wrote:I also dont think MEM is blowing it up, they just got an offer they couldnt refuse. They took that haul from ORL and will figure out the details later.


They are still really young. JJJ and Ja are 25, Zach Edey is 23, and Jaylin Wells is 21, and they still have a lot of depth. Cole Anthony and KCP won't be bad pieces for depth either.

Probably kind of retooling to continue to be young and get better as some of the older teams like GS and LAC start to fade as well as maybe the Lakers post LeBron and some of their older pieces.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2176 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:31 am

dremill24 wrote:
thamadkant wrote:
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Suns: Claxton/Jabari/27+29 picks returned

Rockets: Durant

Nets: Jalen Green/Royce

We would cut almost 30 millon off our books and get the later picks back. This also allows Houston to keep this year's pick. Nets get a playere that can get them 40 on any given night and someone to build around while keeping all of their picks.

:dontknow:

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I would rather get Green than Claxton.

Or reroute Green to Grizzlies for a package to get Jaren Jackson Jr.


I dont think its fait accompli that the Grizz are now just selling off all their veterans for draft picks. They've been a good-but-not-great team for a few years and still have All Star level players under 30 on the roster. They can use these resources to build around Ja and/or JJJ and just try to get better with different pieces around their incumbent stars (should sound familiar if you're paying attention). Could also be they just got an offer they couldnt refuse.

But it is possible of course. If that were the case, there would be no shortage of suitors for JJJ. TBH I think the only way its even a possibility is if you just reroute basically everything you get in a KD deal to Memphis for him (even then it might not be enough). Just rerouting your least favorite piece (e.g., Green) seems unlikely to get it done.


Everything for JJJ? Not sure they'd do it, and I wouldn't mind building around him, but I don't think even a bunch of late firsts, Book and whatever else is enough for him. And of course we are not trading Book anyway.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2177 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:39 am

Someone who's more tuned into prospects give me an upside ranking of: Dillingham, Ware, Jabari Smith, Sochan
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2178 » by starbosa10 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:43 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Someone who's more tuned into prospects give me an upside ranking of: Dillingham, Ware, Jabari Smith, Sochan


I'm interested in this as well but from what I've seen Ware has the most upside and dillingham has the least.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2179 » by Slim Charless » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:50 am

starbosa10 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Someone who's more tuned into prospects give me an upside ranking of: Dillingham, Ware, Jabari Smith, Sochan


I'm interested in this as well but from what I've seen Ware has the most upside and dillingham has the least.


Thats what I would have them.

Sochan is less proven than Jabari, but he isn't about to get a new deal either. It's kinda close between those 2 for me.

But Ware is #1 and Dillingham is #4 for sure
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2180 » by garrick » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:57 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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One_and_Done wrote:I think a lot of fans don’t understand how the media works. Generally, there are two extremes for front offices, in terms of their relationships with the media.

On one end of the spectrum, you have teams like the Spurs and Thunder. Nothing leaks out of these teams, and the local media basically work as a team with the organisation to put out favourable coverage. When you see a story from local reporters about the team, you know it’s one that the front office put out there. Look at how long the Spurs kept the Kawhi problems under wraps.

These organisations all tend to be small markets, and play out West. The loyalty of the media is driven by the fact that the team is the only game in town, and the owner of the media company usually has a close relationship with the owner of the team. There’s a civic pride factor as well, of “this is our towns one team, and we’re all behind it”. On the organisation side, it also makes no sense to leak, because when you work for an organisation like San Antonio or the Thunder, you are going to be poached eventually (with that organisations blessing), and become part of their coaching/exec tree. Why would you risk that to try and get good coverage by a journalist? It’d be crazy.

On the other end of the spectrum, there are markets where everything leaks, like the Knicks. These organisations tend to be in the East, whose media is bigger than the team, and have dysfunctional owners that appoint nepotistic hires into the front office. These nepo-hires compete with each other for the ear of the interfering owner, and try to build up their own fiefdoms in the organisation. To that end, it makes sense to leak how another rivals fiefdom supposedly screwed up something. Because everyone is leaking, it’s hard to figure out who leaked what, and the owner has loyalties that mean the GM can’t just sack the people he doesn’t trust. In San Antonio or OKC, if the lead decision maker doesn’t trust you, then you’re gone. In these big, Eastern sieves, the GM is often a rival to these entrenched buddies of the owner. The biggest challenge of being the Orlando GM? You have to work with Alex “the snake” Martins, who has been there for decades and is basically the shadow GM.

That brings us back to this situation. KD is leaking through Shams who he won’t extend with. That’s to let those teams know not to bother trading for him (which will make them lower their offers, which in turn will mean the Suns won’t trade him there because the offers will suck). The Suns are leaking through their man Gambo that everything is going to be great, and they have something wonderful lined up, to get an early start on PR control with the fans, and in a doomed attempt to create leverage with the far superior organisations they’re stuck negotiating with (SA, Miami, and Houston). The Spurs are leaking to their fans that Sochan isn’t in the deal, and nor is Castle or the #2, and all they’re offering is guys like Vassell/Barnes/Keldon, and have told Sochan he isn’t getting traded (which is why he’s confidently trolling everyone on social media). That’s where things stands now. Basically anything Gambo says is spoon fed by the Suns PR, in exchange for him continuing to get favourable access.


Thanks for all the information, random internet message board guy. When are you picking up your "RealGM Award for Awseomest Poster"...?

You should take these valuable opinions and all this information and go and share with another team's board......any other team's board.


You know it's kind of funny that this fan is trying so hard to convince everyone that Phoenix has no leverage and aren't going to get any decent offers for KD. But honestly it comes across more as if he's desperately trying to convince himself.

And the funniest part is that the majority of reports that have come out have been completely outside of the suns organization and from national media pundits/ reporters that have no vested interests or affiliation with the Phoenix Suns.

And the reports have strongly indicated that not only are there multiple bidders for KD. But there are multiple teams that have strong interest in KD even if only as a rental for one season. It's just weird that this poster seems to he trying so hard to push random narratives. :dontknow:


Teams are leaking details to strengthen their position in trade talks so expect a lot of the rumors to be hot air.

If you don't expect too much out of this trade you won't be disappointed if the trade turns out to be suboptimal for us.

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