2019 season speculation including trade ideas

[WeekapaugGroove]

Trade deadline deal

Suns trade:
Tyler Johnson
Frank Kaminsky
Jevon Carter
2020 1st round pick

Spurs trade:
Lamarcus Aldridge
Marco Belinelli

This should occur if we are several games above .500. We should be making the playoffs as long as we have no injuries, but we want to make sure we are a playoff team, and potentially more. Two savvy veterans where Marco expires this summer and Aldridge expires next year. I think LMA could teach a lot to Ayton, and I think Beli could teach a lot to our young guys too. These are the kind of players I could see James Jones going after, both aren't fancy names but they are quality veterans. We trade our pick, but it should be in the low 20's.

Love's contract is definitely a turn-off when it comes to his injury concern. I'm not certain I make a trade for him unless we feel we aren't going to do anything this summer or the next. Griffin cost too much, and has the same injury concern. If Serge Ibaka became available for some reason I'd go after him before the deadline.

I think they really are high on Saric so I don't really expect any deal. Maybe Tyler Johnson gets thrown into a deal but I am not sure they would want to take on big salary. I guess they could do something like this IF they discuss with Saric's agent what kind of RFA deal he will be looking for and it is really high, though with matching rights and the fact I don't know that many teams have cap space and will pay him a lot, I kind of still doubt they would want to let him go or make him a backup.

On one hand Dario does fall into the toughest group of RFAs where he's not a max guy so at some point he hits a price tag you just have to let him walk.

But on the other hand from everything I've read about Dario's personality if he likes his coach and is comfortable here he would want to return. While money always matters he seems like the type where situation will matter a lot too.

They will have the next two months to figure it out. If him and Ayton work well then I'd expect they keep him this summer. If they decide they don't want to resign him then I do think a PF trade could happen at the deadline. And that could be in either him + parts for an upgrade if the suns are still in it or if the suns fall out of the race they could flip him for a young guy or future asset to a contender looker for a stretch 4 off the bench.

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[TASTIC]

Should try get Bertans. That dude can SHOOT. Looks like the new Mirotic

[Ryu]

Should try get Bertans. That dude can SHOOT. Looks like the new Mirotic

Bertans is okay but do we have a very similar player in Cam Johnson?

[Revived]

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One thing I don’t understand about this “building continuity with 2nd unit” stuff is that doesn’t Kaminsky have to build continuity with the 2nd unit as well since he will be on that unit too once Ayton comes back? Kaminsky and Baynes need to play more mins together then with the bench unit then don’t they?

If that’s the case, wouldn’t it make more sense to start Diallo over Kaminsky since Diallo is the one who will be out of the rotation once Ayton returns so “building continuity” won’t be important for Diallo.

Diallo seems the way better matchup against the strong and physical Valanciunas than Kaminsky as well.

[bwgood77]

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One thing I don’t understand about this “building continuity with 2nd unit” stuff is that doesn’t Kaminsky have to build continuity with the 2nd unit as well since he will be on that unit too once Ayton comes back? Kaminsky and Baynes need to play more mins together then with the bench unit then don’t they?

If that’s the case, wouldn’t it make more sense to start Diallo over Kaminsky since Diallo is the one who will be out of the rotation once Ayton returns so “building continuity” won’t be important for Diallo.

Diallo seems the way better matchup against the strong and physical Valanciunas than Kaminsky as well.

Maybe, but Kaminsky has already played a lot with the second unit. Baynes hasn't really.

[Crives]

I would love to add Patty Mills with Tyler’s contract.. would be good reunion off the bench.

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One thing I don’t understand about this “building continuity with 2nd unit” stuff is that doesn’t Kaminsky have to build continuity with the 2nd unit as well since he will be on that unit too once Ayton comes back? Kaminsky and Baynes need to play more mins together then with the bench unit then don’t they?

If that’s the case, wouldn’t it make more sense to start Diallo over Kaminsky since Diallo is the one who will be out of the rotation once Ayton returns so “building continuity” won’t be important for Diallo.

Diallo seems the way better matchup against the strong and physical Valanciunas than Kaminsky as well.

Maybe, but Kaminsky has already played a lot with the second unit. Baynes hasn't really.

Kaminsky looked really good at the backup 4.. he was basically our 6th man during preseason.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Would you consider this trade, as a 3rd team facilitator?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=vovs6hd .

It's not really adding any big names, However, IF we were to decide to use Tyler Johnson's expiring contract to acquire depth and assets, as opposed to just letting him expire, It would allow us to perhaps keep Saric, Whilst adding optimal quality depth at the 4. And in doing this trade, I'd also have us get our late first ( from the Milwaukee bucks) rounder back too. Aminu is a veteran combo forward with playoff experience who's also a really good positional defender. And Grant Williams is a quality young 4 with a high IQ. Finally, in having getting back the Milwaukee pick ( late first) We have a few more assets heading into the offseason. Or we could package both picks together to move up in the draft IF needed. Or could address our depth at both the backup guard position( with our pick) and then use the late first to address our frontcourt depth with either Paul Reed or Amyr Sylla?

Post trade roster rotation?

- Rubio/ Jerome/ Okobo /Carter.
- Booker/ Bridges/ Jerome.
-Oubre/ Cam Johnson/ Bridges.
-Saric/ Aminu/Frank Kaminsky/Grant Williams.*** ( Williams likely overtakes Kaminsky) And we can look to flip him to a team for a similar contract or perhaps a 2nd?
-Ayton/ Baynes / Diallo.


I'd look to flip Kaminsky to either San Antonio or Philadelphia for a future 2nd round pick perhaps. Or maybe trade him to San Antonio for Bellinelli. Or to philly for either Trey Burke or Furkan Korkmaz and a 2nd?

[Qwigglez]

Would love Aminu. He's partly the reason the Blazers aren't doing so hot this year, he was their glue guy. Unfortunately, dude is injured with a torn meniscus so I'm unsure how well he'll play after that happening.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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One thing I don’t understand about this “building continuity with 2nd unit” stuff is that doesn’t Kaminsky have to build continuity with the 2nd unit as well since he will be on that unit too once Ayton comes back? Kaminsky and Baynes need to play more mins together then with the bench unit then don’t they?

If that’s the case, wouldn’t it make more sense to start Diallo over Kaminsky since Diallo is the one who will be out of the rotation once Ayton returns so “building continuity” won’t be important for Diallo.

Diallo seems the way better matchup against the strong and physical Valanciunas than Kaminsky as well.

Maybe, but Kaminsky has already played a lot with the second unit. Baynes hasn't really.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Frank falls out of the rotation when Ayton returns. They might just roll with Jerome, Bridges, Cam, and Baynes.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Would love Aminu. He's partly the reason the Blazers aren't doing so hot this year, he was their glue guy. Unfortunately, dude is injured with a torn meniscus so I'm unsure how well he'll play after that happening.

Well that really sucks.... I wasn't aware of his current injury. I definitely would have liked him as a backup 4 to Saric. But if that's not an option, Then perhaps one of these considerations:

Phoenix/ San Antonio:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=wga7zpa .Both Kaminsky and Carter are the type of players that San Antonio prefers with Kaminsky being a floor spacing big man, And Carter as a defensive specialist guard. Bellinelli would give us that veteran depth at point guard behind Rubio too.

Phoenix/ Chicago:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=wrz35u3 . *** We'd also get back Chicagos' 2020 2nd round pick). And even though getting back Thaddeus Young would potentially affect our plans for 2021 free agency, I still really like the fit he'd bring at the 4 next to Ayton. Also, Dunn would offer a solid veteran defensive guard behind Rubio. It doesn't look like Chicago will be competing for the playoffs this year, And furthermore, it's been rumored that Chicago is really trying to clear cap space for a potential run at Anthony Davis. It's because of this that I believe they'd strongly consider this trade.

Next, I'd look to move additional salary by trading Kaminsky ( And a future 2nd) to San Antonio for Bellinelli.

Phoenix/ San Antonio:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=wga7zpa . Bellinelli would give us veteran guard shooting guard depth in the backcourt, And would also be an expiring contract for us. But overall, we'd drastically improve our overall depth, Whilst not affecting our starters or core rotation players. Basically we'd be turning Tyler Johnson's expiring contract, frank Kaminsky and Jevon Carter into Thaddeus Young, Kris Dunn, and Marco Bellinelli. So our post trade roster would look something like this:

- Rubio/ Dunn/ Okobo.
- Booker/ Bellinelli/ Jerome.
- Oubre/ Bridges/Cam Johnson.
- Young/ Saric/ Diallo.
-Ayton/ Baynes/ ***Sign a cheap backup 5? On veterans minimum. Perhaps one of: Marcin Gortat/ Jason Smith/ or Deyonta Davis? ( on a 1 yr deal).

[Wilber85]

CAN WE PLAY A GAME WITH AYTON BACK????????

The reason we are hovering around .500 is due to depth, and injuries. With Ayton back it allows Kaminsky to move to bench. Then we can either put Saric or try Baynes at the 4 next to Ayton. My thing, is let Jerome develop, he isn't ready.

The only trade I would do is TJ, protected 1st, Carter, and that is it.

Let's roll with what we have, let's get back to healthy, and let's build the chemistry. Most of the guy's you are all asking to trade for , aren't going to make us contenders, they will just make us have $$$ tied up in them.

[Blonde]

My favorite semi-realistic guard depth option is JJ Redick. Signed this year and next with a floundering Pelicans team (JJ has never missed the playoffs). He would look great on offense with literally any combination of players and he can guard 1s and 2s okay. If the Pelicans are still obviously out of playoff contention even with Zion back I would be shocked if they weren’t sellers at the deadline.

Tyler + protected 1st for Redick and filler works.

[lilfishi22]

My favorite semi-realistic guard depth option is JJ Redick. Signed this year and next with a floundering Pelicans team (JJ has never missed the playoffs). He would look great on offense with literally any combination of players and he can guard 1s and 2s okay. If the Pelicans are still obviously out of playoff contention even with Zion back I would be shocked if they weren’t sellers at the deadline.

Tyler + protected 1st for Redick and filler works.

I'm a fan of JJ and for what we need off the bench, I think he would suffice.

[jcsunsfan]

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One thing I don’t understand about this “building continuity with 2nd unit” stuff is that doesn’t Kaminsky have to build continuity with the 2nd unit as well since he will be on that unit too once Ayton comes back? Kaminsky and Baynes need to play more mins together then with the bench unit then don’t they?

If that’s the case, wouldn’t it make more sense to start Diallo over Kaminsky since Diallo is the one who will be out of the rotation once Ayton returns so “building continuity” won’t be important for Diallo.

Diallo seems the way better matchup against the strong and physical Valanciunas than Kaminsky as well.

Sounds to me like he is planning for Ayton to start fairly soon. I supposed I am OK with that, reluctantly. But Baynes needs between 25 and 30 mins per game and he needs to be on the floor with Booker.

[Saberestar]

My favorite semi-realistic guard depth option is JJ Redick. Signed this year and next with a floundering Pelicans team (JJ has never missed the playoffs). He would look great on offense with literally any combination of players and he can guard 1s and 2s okay. If the Pelicans are still obviously out of playoff contention even with Zion back I would be shocked if they weren’t sellers at the deadline.

Tyler + protected 1st for Redick and filler works.

I would love to have Redick on the Suns, I really admire his game. But I thinks his value is much more than that, he is playing at a high level, 15 ppg and 45% from threes. Pelicans need him a lot because they have several important players that lack shooting (Ball is meh, Zion, Hayes, Favors...)

[bwgood77]

RPM #s just got released. Obviously not a perfect measure (especially with those with really small sample size) but a tool nonetheless.

Highest Suns - Baynes at 34 and Booker at 53. Of our SFs, Bridges 175, Cam 201 and Oubre 242.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/1

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One thing I don’t understand about this “building continuity with 2nd unit” stuff is that doesn’t Kaminsky have to build continuity with the 2nd unit as well since he will be on that unit too once Ayton comes back? Kaminsky and Baynes need to play more mins together then with the bench unit then don’t they?

If that’s the case, wouldn’t it make more sense to start Diallo over Kaminsky since Diallo is the one who will be out of the rotation once Ayton returns so “building continuity” won’t be important for Diallo.

Diallo seems the way better matchup against the strong and physical Valanciunas than Kaminsky as well.

Sounds to me like he is planning for Ayton to start fairly soon. I supposed I am OK with that, reluctantly. But Baynes needs between 25 and 30 mins per game and he needs to be on the floor with Booker.

Baynes CAN NOT play 25-30 minutes per game because he can't stop fouling. He plays too hard and aggressive, and that is nice, but makes him a backup player for life.

We needed him badly to play starting minutes with Ayton suspended but the most that he could play was 24 mpg. And he got hurt a lot, so he playing around 18 mpg would be perfect for him and the team.

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One thing I don’t understand about this “building continuity with 2nd unit” stuff is that doesn’t Kaminsky have to build continuity with the 2nd unit as well since he will be on that unit too once Ayton comes back? Kaminsky and Baynes need to play more mins together then with the bench unit then don’t they?

If that’s the case, wouldn’t it make more sense to start Diallo over Kaminsky since Diallo is the one who will be out of the rotation once Ayton returns so “building continuity” won’t be important for Diallo.

Diallo seems the way better matchup against the strong and physical Valanciunas than Kaminsky as well.

Sounds to me like he is planning for Ayton to start fairly soon. I supposed I am OK with that, reluctantly. But Baynes needs between 25 and 30 mins per game and he needs to be on the floor with Booker.

Baynes has only been playing 23 mins per game so far this year without Ayton. I think that’s about the cap I would want to play him for fear of these continual nagging injuries becoming more severe. He’s also averaging 6 fouls per 36 so I’d rather let him go all out in his 20 minutes than have to worry about foul trouble. Remember, he’s only averaged 15 mins per game his career up to this point and he’s 33 years old. If Ayton gets about 34 minutes and Baynes gets about 20 then we’ll have about 6 minutes where they could share the court for all those on that train.

I do agree that Booker and Baynes should share the court often. Rubio and Ayton should be together a lot too.

[Ghost of Kleine]

CAN WE PLAY A GAME WITH AYTON BACK????????

The reason we are hovering around .500 is due to depth, and injuries. With Ayton back it allows Kaminsky to move to bench. Then we can either put Saric or try Baynes at the 4 next to Ayton. My thing, is let Jerome develop, he isn't ready.

The only trade I would do is TJ, protected 1st, Carter, and that is it.

Let's roll with what we have, let's get back to healthy, and let's build the chemistry. Most of the guy's you are all asking to trade for , aren't going to make us contenders, they will just make us have $$$ tied up in them.

Of course we can still see how they play with everyone back. Nobody is saying that any of these proposals have to be immediate. Heck, We'd have till what? Up until february for the trade deadline to decide. So it's not at all like we wouldn't get a fair view of the rosters' potential as is at a full strength. These proposals are of course dependent upon the suns intent to get something of value for Tyler's expiring as opposed to just letting him expire and acquire more cap space. It's simply an option to be considered. Also, wich players in my proposal aside from Thaddeus Young alone would be tying up our cap space specifically? Kris Dunn ( 5 million expiring), and Bellinelli ( 5 million expiring). So really, only Young would affect our cap space. But what he would bring would be quality positonal defense and a strong veteran presence next to Ayton, Whilst adding depth either in a starting role or for the 2nd unit if they so choose. That's honestly a major upgrade for us from what Kaminsky has shown. He'd also add a lot more value in a trade heading into 2021 as an expiring contract for us.

Plus, IF we were to decide to trade Tyler's expiring for some positive value around or before the trade deadline, Getting both Dunn( *** Ranked 6th in perimeter defense), along with Young (*** 2nd team all defense)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.blogabull.com/platform/amp/2018/5/22/17374926/chicago-bulls-kris-dunn-among-nbas-elite-perimeter-defenders.

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would give us three really good perimeter/ positional defenders at our 3 most critical positions: Backup point guard , Backup power forward, and Center ( Baynes). Add those defenders to Bridges, and we now have strong perimter defense at - at least 4/5 positions.This again covers multiple positions that were otherwise areas of weakness for us. Our offense is really good. But our defense has cost us more than a few winnable games. We were constantly getting beat by opposing teams on the perimeter and with penetration. This would fix those issues, along with giving us maximum veteran depth in the event of any future unforeseen injuries. So whilst your right in that these trades wouldn't make us a contender, We'd still be a deeper, stronger, immenent playoff team for sure. And we might even be able to get past the first round given our added depth and defensive roster improvement. Because, As we all know, defense is key in the playoffs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2698613-metrics-101-the-top-5-nba-defenders-at-every-position.amp.html.

Finally, IF worse comes to worse, In 2021, We can more easily trade Thaddeus Young to some team for an expiring or future assets, and still head into 2021 free agency as a competitive playoff team with possible max cap space. Adding depth is never a bad thing as long as Monty can figure out the rotations properly, and it's a luxury as the season rolls along, and the other teams get hit with injuries.