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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#221 » by RunDogGun » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:39 am

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Sounds good! So I hope McD and Horny are fired soon. Both of them are accountable. They are below-average GM and head coach.


Disagree on McD. Frankly, I think he's done a phenomenal job of acquiring talent. That's exactly what a rebuilding team needs.


Really??? Then he would be a scout, not a GM. I don't think he is good at his job. His dicision making I think is really bad like still holding Morris, trusting Horny.


I miss Bryan Colangelo. Under his regime, we didn't need to take 5 or 6 years to rebuild the team.

It's a really shame.


Brian made a ton of bad moves while he was GM too. Maybe we should see if we can get McDyss again, and lose him, and rush out and get Googs? And then trade Googs with an unrestricted first rounder that turned out to be Hayward? Kidd for Marbury? Luk Longly as a FA? I think many forget many things when it comes to the Colanglo's. Morris' issue is what it is. It's not wise to just throw Morris away for nothing. The right deal will emerge and I trust McD to do a decent job. He has tried to get a top tier FA, has drafted well, and has won on almost every trade so far that he has made. To me, that's exactly what a rebuilding team needs to do. You have to do well in FA, draft well, and make good trades. We have future assets if needed to move.

We just haven't got that top FA yet. But many of them don't want to go to a rebuilding team, so I'm not sure what people expect.
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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#222 » by rsavaj » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:50 am

I miss the Colangelos but holy crap they made so many bad moves that people are just conveniently forgetting about
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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#223 » by Saberestar » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:51 am

That was the most pissed off I've seen Hornacek in his #Suns tenure. Crumpled the box score and trashed it on the way out of his presser

I fear Hornacek is going to be the fall guy in Phoenix. Something has to change. Doesn’t seem like the #Suns respond to his instruction.

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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#224 » by rsavaj » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:52 am

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batsmasher wrote:As a side note. Horny cops way too much flack around the internet. Yes, he should be the one orchestrating things but he can't physically make this team make better plays. You have to draw the line somewhere.


True, but I hear that from every single struggling team that is considering firing their coach. At some point, when you don't see improvement, the coach is accountable. My issue isn't even necessarily our overall record, it's the lack of improvement as a team across the board. I think our individual players' skills are better than last year, but our team defense, our turnovers, and other things are worse and haven't been getting better as the year has gone on. We are over a quarter of the way through the season.


I'm kind of feeling the same way. Hornacek wasn't the one turning the ball over, and I really do think it's a roster thing more than a coach thing, but if you had to ask whether or not this team was well-coached, yes or no, I would have to say no.

I don't know whether that means Hornacek is a BAD coach or if we just have the wrong players for his system...are Knight/Bledsoe a good fit next to each other?

Was Hornacek a "great" coach in 2013-2014? Have his coaching skills magically atrophied two years later? That's what gets me about this "good coach/bad coach" talk...it's the same guy who coached a 48 win team. The players are different. Maybe we should look at what's changed instead of what's stayed the same.

Again, that doesn't mean I think he's some fantastic coach, but I'm really trying to think of who we could bring in that would magically lift this squad from "mediocre" to "good"
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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#225 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:53 am

Let's just look at the actual hand McD was dealt, and the moves he's made:

Dudley and a 2nd for Bledsoe. Very obvious and huge win.

2nd for Leuer. Very obvious win.

Traded a 2nd to move up and get Archie. Loss. Archie hasn't panned out, but that was a weak as hell draft, and Archie was always a hit or miss guy, and the Suns drafted him knowing he could miss. Since he missed, I'll call it a loss even though there was logic behind it. He is still young enough to turn it around though.

Traded Marcus for a 2nd. Got a cancer off the team, and he may have been overpaid at the time. I'll call this neutral because Marcus did have talent so you could argue this is selling low (I wouldn't, but trying to be impartial here).

Traded Tolliver for Tony Mitchell. Win. Yes, Mitchell isn't on the roster and it didn't work out, but Tolliver came in and sucked, and we got a young guy who had a little upside in return. These are the trade rebuilding teams have to make. In this context, I'll call it a win.

Traded Shavlik Randolph for Reggie Bullock. Same logic as above for Mitchell. It's a win, regardless of the result. When you are rebuilding, trading an old as hell non-factor for a recent first rounder is always a win.

Re-signed Bledsoe for about $15 mil/year. Expensive at the time, but now it's a bargain. This is a win. He's a star (not a superstar, but a star).

Re-signed Knight for the same. TBD. Knight is a 2 guard. I don't really buy the whole "2 PG system" problem, because Knight simply doesn't play like a PG. He is an undersized 2, and if I look around the league at the 2 guards, Knight is one of the better ones (top 7 I'd say). He's also one of the best his age or younger. That said, whether he's worth $15 mil/year going forward is TBD. He's been very inconsistent so far, but his good games show his promise/ceiling.

Re-signed Tucker for $5 mil/3 years. I hated it, but given where we were in the offseason, it's a bargain price. Also, the 3rd year isn't guaranteed, so he can be cut. I still have no idea how he fits with this team's future though.

Re-signed Kieff for $8 mil/4 or 5 years. Win. You have to factor in where we were at the time, and nobody could've predicted that the Morri would use their extensions as an expectation that they could do whatever the hell they want with no consequences.

Re-signed Marcus for $5 mil/4 or 5 years. See above, although Marcus was overpaid, but you got Kieff underpaid as a result, and were able to get something for Marcus despite being overpaid.

Traded Dragic for 2 firsts, including 1 unprotected. People can long for the glory days and may disagree here, but Dragic has been absolutely awful in Miami relative to his new salary, which pays him into his 30s. It could be we'd be in the playoffs right now if Dragic was in our system and he and Bledsoe had kept it up, but I don't think anyone could say we'd be a contender at all, so I don't see the point in building a roster just to make the playoffs while maxing out all salary. I'd rather have the picks.

Signed Thomas for nothing, traded him for a first. Completely threw off team chemistry upon signing. That said, the team the previous year played above their heads, and a 2nd year at that level was unlikely. Thomas played well here, Dragic didn't. At the end of the day, the result was we used our cap space to underpay for something that was undervalued on the market, and then flipped it for an extra first rounder, and then were forced to move our once upon a time star for 2 more firsts, and that star signed a huge deal and hasn't been performing. It was awful to watch and messy as hell, but if you told me before the season I could get 3 firsts by signing IT or use that money to overpay some veteran PF, keep Dragic happy, and make the playoffs while getting Dragic at his current deal, I'd be taking the picks.

Drafted Len. Great pick in a weak draft imo.

Drafted Booker. BPA in the draft. Looks great so far.

Drafted Warren. It was a loaded draft, but he shows a lot of promise. He still needs to become a better 2 way player.

Drafted Ennis. Hasn't really done anything. Could be a missed pick. Could be he's just so young he needs more time.

Drafted Bogdan. TBD. Moved up the Euro prospect ranking since being drafted, but has struggled a bit this year.

Traded Scola for a 1st, Plumlee, and Granger. Win. Scola, like Tucker now imo, had no use on this team given where it was. We got a 1st and a younger player who for a significant amount of his time here, outperformed Scola.

Traded Plumlee, Ennis, and laker pick for Knight. This is the big TBD. It could be a huge loss. It could be a huge win. If I had to call it now, I'd say it's neutral. The laker pick will very likely be top 3 this year, which means we would have never touched it. But let's say Philly gets crazy lucky and it's the #4 pick. Is Plumlee, Ennis, and Dragan Bender better than Knight as a group of prospects?


Seriously, what is there McDonough should've been doing here? The only possible negative I can really see is the Knight trade, but top picks fail all the time as well. Even if we end up with a high pick, it could be a bad draft (and this year's is imo) or we could just miss the pick. But it certainly looks like the Lakers will be tanking their way to keeping it.

If your goal for this team is to make the playoffs ASAP, then I get why you'd be upset with McDonough, but if you see this team for what it really is, a rebuilding team of young players that is not as bad as some of the other rebuilding teams with young players, therefore we don't/can't tank like them, then what has he done wrong? He's cherrypicked additional draft picks and young guys at every opportunity, trying to amass the most talent possible. He's drafted well. He's won almost every trade. What do you/did you expect him to do that makes him below average somehow?
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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#226 » by rsavaj » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:54 am

Hornacek video: [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHsfGJ_dYDw[/youtube]

Dude is upset. Feels like he knows his time is coming to an end, rightly or wrongly.
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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#227 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:55 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:The coach is always accountable but I don't think he's the root of our issues. I think the dual PG set up is. With two players who either aren't good passers or don't have the IQ, a dual PG back court isn't going to work. You can fire Hornacek but who can realistically come in and make this back court work for the team? This is really an McD issue (and Hornacek if he's endorsed this) for putting together a roster that doesn't have the IQ for simple ball rotations and multiple ball stoppers.


Sounds good! So I hope McD and Horny are fired soon. Both of them are accountable. They are below-average GM and head coach.


Disagree on McD. Frankly, I think he's done a phenomenal job of acquiring talent. That's exactly what a rebuilding team needs.

He's done great acquiring talent in a vacuum but I don't think the talent are a great fit. Knight and Bledsoe are great talents on their own but together, playing in the same backcourt, it's just not a good fit. I still think he's a pretty good GM in that he hasn't technically "lost" as trades as yet, it's just the players he chooses to trade for, I question. For example, I still question the trade Knight for 1st (essentially) trade.
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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#228 » by rsavaj » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:58 am

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Sounds good! So I hope McD and Horny are fired soon. Both of them are accountable. They are below-average GM and head coach.


Disagree on McD. Frankly, I think he's done a phenomenal job of acquiring talent. That's exactly what a rebuilding team needs.

He's done great acquiring talent in a vacuum but I don't think the talent are a great fit. Knight and Bledsoe are great talents on their own but together, playing in the same backcourt, it's just not a good fit. I still think he's a pretty good GM in that he hasn't technically "lost" as trades as yet, it's just the players he chooses to trade for, I question. For example, I still question the trade Knight for 1st (essentially) trade.


I also question trading IT for a late first. Dude is playing so, so well in Boston.
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Post#229 » by rsavaj » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:01 am

Our starting "point guards" had 5 assists. Combined.

You can pin that on Hornacek in some nebulous fashion, but at a certain point(heh) you have to look at the players themselves.
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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#230 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:06 am

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AtheJ415 wrote:
Disagree on McD. Frankly, I think he's done a phenomenal job of acquiring talent. That's exactly what a rebuilding team needs.

He's done great acquiring talent in a vacuum but I don't think the talent are a great fit. Knight and Bledsoe are great talents on their own but together, playing in the same backcourt, it's just not a good fit. I still think he's a pretty good GM in that he hasn't technically "lost" as trades as yet, it's just the players he chooses to trade for, I question. For example, I still question the trade Knight for 1st (essentially) trade.


I also question trading IT for a late first. Dude is playing so, so well in Boston.


Yeah. And I can buy that. I suppose it depends on the perspective. To me I give him credit because he signed him to such a bargain price that we were able to get a 1st for him. So essentially, I see it as signing an unneeded part banking on moving it later, which he did, and essentially manufactured a 1st out of cap space. I think Thomas couldn't play alongside Bledsoe here due to extreme size issues, but I think he could be a dynamite 6th man. That said, as much flack as the Thomas experiment and the hydra took, the plus minus numbers and advanced numbers suggested it was working despite the chemistry issues.
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Post#231 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:06 am

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Disagree on McD. Frankly, I think he's done a phenomenal job of acquiring talent. That's exactly what a rebuilding team needs.

He's done great acquiring talent in a vacuum but I don't think the talent are a great fit. Knight and Bledsoe are great talents on their own but together, playing in the same backcourt, it's just not a good fit. I still think he's a pretty good GM in that he hasn't technically "lost" as trades as yet, it's just the players he chooses to trade for, I question. For example, I still question the trade Knight for 1st (essentially) trade.


I also question trading IT for a late first. Dude is playing so, so well in Boston.

Dude has to be one of the best value contracts in the league right now. He's on a declining $7m a year contract for another 2 years of this and he's average 21ppg.

And for sure we could've gotten more value for him had we not bungled the whole Dragic situation. We basically moved him as a last minute effort to keep Dragic happy at which point the situation was well beyond repair.
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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#232 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:07 am

rsavaj wrote:Our starting "point guards" had 5 assists. Combined.

You can pin that on Hornacek in some nebulous fashion, but at a certain point(heh) you have to look at the players themselves.


On the year, Bledsoe and Knight are one of the few guard combos in league history to average the amount of scoring and assists that they produce (I think it's 18 points and over 5 assists). If they played like this every game I'd agree with you, but they don't.
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Post#233 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:14 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:He's done great acquiring talent in a vacuum but I don't think the talent are a great fit. Knight and Bledsoe are great talents on their own but together, playing in the same backcourt, it's just not a good fit. I still think he's a pretty good GM in that he hasn't technically "lost" as trades as yet, it's just the players he chooses to trade for, I question. For example, I still question the trade Knight for 1st (essentially) trade.


I also question trading IT for a late first. Dude is playing so, so well in Boston.

Dude has to be one of the best value contracts in the league right now. He's on a declining $7m a year contract for another 2 years of this and he's average 21ppg.

And for sure we could've gotten more value for him had we not bungled the whole Dragic situation. We basically moved him as a last minute effort to keep Dragic happy at which point the situation was well beyond repair.



I don't see how we could've gotten more for him. He puts that up in Boston because he has the ball at almost all times. That would've never been the case here and never was. And Thomas was really good in Sacramento. I don't think his production in Phoenix or Boston is really a surprise given his age and production in Sac. People have never had an issue with Thomas's offensive production. They've had issues with his height, defense, and his reputation as a ballstopper. I'm not sure that has really changed. And the whole reason he signed that deal was because despite his stellar offensive numbers in Sac (they were better than Kyrie Irving's even back then), nobody was willing to give him an offer as high as ours.

I think other people are wrong and have missed the boat on IT. I think they're too focused on his height. But that said, those people determine his value, and those same GM's wouldn't offer him even a $7 mil declining deal except for McDonough.
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Post#234 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:23 am

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I also question trading IT for a late first. Dude is playing so, so well in Boston.

Dude has to be one of the best value contracts in the league right now. He's on a declining $7m a year contract for another 2 years of this and he's average 21ppg.

And for sure we could've gotten more value for him had we not bungled the whole Dragic situation. We basically moved him as a last minute effort to keep Dragic happy at which point the situation was well beyond repair.



I don't see how we could've gotten more for him. He puts that up in Boston because he has the ball at almost all times. That would've never been the case here and never was. And Thomas was really good in Sacramento. I don't think his production in Phoenix or Boston is really a surprise given his age and production in Sac. People have never had an issue with Thomas's offensive production. They've had issues with his height, defense, and his reputation as a ballstopper. I'm not sure that has really changed. And the whole reason he signed that deal was because despite his stellar offensive numbers in Sac (they were better than Kyrie Irving's even back then), nobody was willing to give him an offer as high as ours.

I think other people are wrong and have missed the boat on IT. I think they're too focused on his height. But that said, those people determine his value, and those same GM's wouldn't offer him even a $7 mil declining deal except for McDonough.

I think we could've gotten more if we only looked at his production. But we had gotten less because teams have been waiting on us to break up the 3-headed dragon well before the trade deadline. They saw what many of us saw and that's chemistry issues stemming from the lack of possessions amongst the PG's. I didn't like the triple PG back court lineup and McD waited and waited to move IT but at that point, every saw it was a desperation move.
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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#235 » by StarMaker » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:30 am

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AtheJ415 wrote:
Disagree on McD. Frankly, I think he's done a phenomenal job of acquiring talent. That's exactly what a rebuilding team needs.


Really??? Then he would be a scout, not a GM. I don't think he is good at his job. His dicision making I think is really bad like still holding Morris, trusting Horny.


I miss Bryan Colangelo. Under his regime, we didn't need to take 5 or 6 years to rebuild the team.

It's a really shame.


Brian made a ton of bad moves while he was GM too. Maybe we should see if we can get McDyss again, and lose him, and rush out and get Googs? And then trade Googs with an unrestricted first rounder that turned out to be Hayward? Kidd for Marbury? Luk Longly as a FA? I think many forget many things when it comes to the Colanglo's. Morris' issue is what it is. It's not wise to just throw Morris away for nothing. The right deal will emerge and I trust McD to do a decent job. He has tried to get a top tier FA, has drafted well, and has won on almost every trade so far that he has made. To me, that's exactly what a rebuilding team needs to do. You have to do well in FA, draft well, and make good trades. We have future assets if needed to move.

We just haven't got that top FA yet. But many of them don't want to go to a rebuilding team, so I'm not sure what people expect.


Do you think he didn't lead the team to the playoff like Mcd does? Hell, no. Of course, he didn't make it sometimes but at least he made the team better for playoff Mcd didn't. I am pretty sure what McD has done doesn't compare to what Bryan did.

All you told me was all I know already but I still miss him because he is way better than McD.
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Post#236 » by TeamTragic » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:49 am

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That was the most pissed off I've seen Hornacek in his #Suns tenure. Crumpled the box score and trashed it on the way out of his presser

I fear Hornacek is going to be the fall guy in Phoenix. Something has to change. Doesn’t seem like the #Suns respond to his instruction.

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Enter Thibs who tells everyone that doesn't want to listen to him that they can go **** themselves. We need more discipline on this team. Bench and/or trade anyone/everyone that isn't a team player. Off court problems? GONE. Throw a fit? GONE. Don't listen to the coach? GONE.
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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#237 » by thamadkant » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:20 am

1. I'm not the biggest Tucker fan, I rather start Warren any day... BUT... on a team where there are sufficient scorers and he can focus on hustling and defense, he will contribute. On this Suns team?... think Dudley 3 years ago, basically Tucker needs to be on a playoff team with stars so he can play his role.



2. Bledsoe is a heck of a PG, but a stat padder mainly. I say that, because he doesnt really impact the tempo nor the ball movement. He can create for himself but he cannot run a team as first option nor make others better. Thats just not the player he is.
He would be ideal as that 2nd OR 3rd option scorer/star. He needs a team with a system that makes the other 4 players on the court FUNCTIONAL without Bledsoe's influence much, because he simply isnt the type to make his team mates better like other star guards.
But he is a darn good player and a cornerstone.

3. Knight is same as Bledsoe, minus the defense. So the Suns best players are ideal 2nd and 3rd options on a team with a very good system in place. The Suns doesnt have the ideal first option star NOR the system IMO. Hence you get a very very inconsistent team.

4. Chandler is a very competitive player, he will no doubt be losing faith on this team and may start to show lack of motivation.
If I was McD... as I also proposed earlier.... he should make a call now (20-30 games in) and trade away a couple of the starters or more for either younger player(s) or picks... to make room for the Suns youth. Maybe keep Bledsoe OR Knight... and trade away Chandler, Tucker, Morris (all) for a younger player OR pick(s).
Give Len, Warren, Booker, Goodwin along with Knight OR Bledsoe to develop and focus on 2016-2017 season and onwards.
The West is very competitive, and if Suns happen to make the 7th or 8th seed... its going to be a sweep.
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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#238 » by RunDogGun » Mon Dec 21, 2015 5:17 am

StarMaker wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
StarMaker wrote:
Really??? Then he would be a scout, not a GM. I don't think he is good at his job. His dicision making I think is really bad like still holding Morris, trusting Horny.


I miss Bryan Colangelo. Under his regime, we didn't need to take 5 or 6 years to rebuild the team.

It's a really shame.


Brian made a ton of bad moves while he was GM too. Maybe we should see if we can get McDyss again, and lose him, and rush out and get Googs? And then trade Googs with an unrestricted first rounder that turned out to be Hayward? Kidd for Marbury? Luk Longly as a FA? I think many forget many things when it comes to the Colanglo's. Morris' issue is what it is. It's not wise to just throw Morris away for nothing. The right deal will emerge and I trust McD to do a decent job. He has tried to get a top tier FA, has drafted well, and has won on almost every trade so far that he has made. To me, that's exactly what a rebuilding team needs to do. You have to do well in FA, draft well, and make good trades. We have future assets if needed to move.

We just haven't got that top FA yet. But many of them don't want to go to a rebuilding team, so I'm not sure what people expect.


Do you think he didn't lead the team to the playoff like Mcd does? Hell, no. Of course, he didn't make it sometimes but at least he made the team better for playoff Mcd didn't. I am pretty sure what McD has done doesn't compare to what Bryan did.

All you told me was all I know already but I still miss him because he is way better than McD.

What I find ironic is Bryan selected PJ Tucker the same year he selected Bargs number one in the draft. As far as a GM leading a team...meh. McD has been our GM for not a long time, and inherited a mess. Bryan came in after we went to the finals. He was pretty terrible in Toronto. I don't miss him at all. Looking through his list of transactions he kept trading and then resigning many of the same players. :o

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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#239 » by i505 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:27 am

Dream time, since this team sucks so bad... I need a little rosterbation before I get depressed.

2016-2017 - 89m cap, 108m tax.

1. Start by cleaning house pure salary dump style. Weems, Chandler, Tucker, Morris, Knight - all gone. I don't care how, trade them for picks, TPE's, bags of chips, give picks away, whatever.

2. Sign Durant for 30, Horford for 15, Whiteside for 19. With the remaining current players we'd be at 89.1m.

3. Resign Teletovic for 6 and Price for 4. Fill in the last 2 roster spots with vet min guys. Or just get 4 vet min guys and forget Teletubby and Price.

Bledsoe / Price
Booker / Goodwin
Durant / Warren
Horford / Teletovic
Whiteside / Len

Total 99.1m payroll.

4. Hire Thibs.

5. Have fun watching the Suns again.

God this current team sucks. :noway:
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Re: Game 29: Milwaukee Bucks (10-18) @ Phoenix Suns (12-16) 

Post#240 » by StarMaker » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:58 am

RunDogGun wrote:
StarMaker wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
Brian made a ton of bad moves while he was GM too. Maybe we should see if we can get McDyss again, and lose him, and rush out and get Googs? And then trade Googs with an unrestricted first rounder that turned out to be Hayward? Kidd for Marbury? Luk Longly as a FA? I think many forget many things when it comes to the Colanglo's. Morris' issue is what it is. It's not wise to just throw Morris away for nothing. The right deal will emerge and I trust McD to do a decent job. He has tried to get a top tier FA, has drafted well, and has won on almost every trade so far that he has made. To me, that's exactly what a rebuilding team needs to do. You have to do well in FA, draft well, and make good trades. We have future assets if needed to move.

We just haven't got that top FA yet. But many of them don't want to go to a rebuilding team, so I'm not sure what people expect.


Do you think he didn't lead the team to the playoff like Mcd does? Hell, no. Of course, he didn't make it sometimes but at least he made the team better for playoff Mcd didn't. I am pretty sure what McD has done doesn't compare to what Bryan did.

All you told me was all I know already but I still miss him because he is way better than McD.

What I find ironic is Bryan selected PJ Tucker the same year he selected Bargs number one in the draft. As far as a GM leading a team...meh. McD has been our GM for not a long time, and inherited a mess. Bryan came in after we went to the finals. He was pretty terrible in Toronto. I don't miss him at all. Looking through his list of transactions he kept trading and then resigning many of the same players. :o

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/colanbr99x.html



Toronto? Actually I don't care about his Toronto days. Who cares?
In addition, early phase of his age in Toronto was pretty impressive so he earned Executive of the Year.

I think he was really good in Suns. He picked Amare, Marion, Nash, Finely, and also brought Kidd, Mcdyess to Suns. FA? He contracted Nash(future Back to Back MVP). Not to mention Joe Johnson, Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa.

Look at the 03-04 season. He simply took a year or less to rebuild a team and then the team was one of the best teams in the league.

But McD....He does have nothing to prove himself as a GM. If Bryan is like a mediocre GM that you claim, McD is way below him.

Time is ticking. I am certain McD will resign his post or won't be re-contracted in the near future if he doesn't show signs of improvement.

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