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Re: 2017 Offseason Speculation, Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 

Post#221 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 3:52 pm

darealjuice wrote:KD supposedly willing to take the Non-Bird extension to keep the Warriors core together. No surprise since he's only missing out on $4M and it gives them the ability to retain key bench players, but it's a bit frustrating how much it easier it makes things for their front office when they have superstars that'll take less just to play there. Hope everyone's excited for the Warriors to continue sweeping the West for the next couple years.


I was just about to post an article about that there, but note this part of the article...
Iguodala is expected to receive interest from a number of teams such as Phoenix, Minnesota and Atlanta, league sources tell ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19509826/kevin-durant-willing-take-less-max-keep-golden-state-warriors-core-intact
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Re: 2017 Offseason Speculation, Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 

Post#222 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jun 1, 2017 4:04 pm

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darealjuice wrote:KD supposedly willing to take the Non-Bird extension to keep the Warriors core together. No surprise since he's only missing out on $4M and it gives them the ability to retain key bench players, but it's a bit frustrating how much it easier it makes things for their front office when they have superstars that'll take less just to play there. Hope everyone's excited for the Warriors to continue sweeping the West for the next couple years.


I was just about to post an article about that there, but note this part of the article...
Iguodala is expected to receive interest from a number of teams such as Phoenix, Minnesota and Atlanta, league sources tell ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19509826/kevin-durant-willing-take-less-max-keep-golden-state-warriors-core-intact


Even so, I understand that the warriors are still going to have to pay around $ 300 million in luxury tax by 2019 and 2020,So there's some hope theoretically by the time we hope to start competing? :roll:

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Re: 2017 Offseason Speculation, Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 

Post#223 » by darealjuice » Thu Jun 1, 2017 4:11 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
darealjuice wrote:KD supposedly willing to take the Non-Bird extension to keep the Warriors core together. No surprise since he's only missing out on $4M and it gives them the ability to retain key bench players, but it's a bit frustrating how much it easier it makes things for their front office when they have superstars that'll take less just to play there. Hope everyone's excited for the Warriors to continue sweeping the West for the next couple years.


I was just about to post an article about that there, but note this part of the article...
Iguodala is expected to receive interest from a number of teams such as Phoenix, Minnesota and Atlanta, league sources tell ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19509826/kevin-durant-willing-take-less-max-keep-golden-state-warriors-core-intact


Yeah I meant to point that out too but forgot. No surprise though, we have plenty of cap space next season regardless of what happens with our centers, Brandon Knight, and Eric Bledsoe, and he's become the type of veteran presence we like to have around to influence our young players as he approaches the twilight of his career. Probably not going to happen now though.
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Re: 2017 Offseason Speculation, Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 

Post#224 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 1, 2017 4:12 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Given my propensity for adding another first round pick or two, And the fair possibility of moving Bledsoe anyways sooner or later, I have thrown together a few trade scenarios in which we would theoretically acquire the necessary first rounders to pull off a draft night "coup".

Feel free to share your thoughts with me on these proposals,

First Trade: Suns/Sacramento-

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydewtwhm .

Phoenix sends Bledsoe and a conditional future first to sacramento for Aaron Affalo and Anthony Tolliver and the #5 pick in the 2017 draft.(Nitkilina or Dennis Smith Jr.)

Why for Phoenix? This allows us to move Bledsoe before any further injury to his knees and also avoid another impending "Rich Paul contract fiasco. Finally,Bledsoe is great, However, We would be replacing him with a much larger(6'6 defensive stopper) who is younger, athletic and very talented, and better fits the timeline for our youth movement.

Why for Sacramento? It's been so very long since they have even experienced the playoffs, And even though they are young as well, It's well known their strong desire to get back into the playoffs. They have a lot of talented pieces inplace, But Bledsoe would undoubtedly increase their chances of a long awaited playoff birth. And would obviously provide immensely more leadership, experience, and production than most any rookie they might find even at that spot.

trade #2: Phoenix/Minnesota-

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9evqdt5 .

Phoenix trades: Eric Bledsoe and a conditional future first to Minnesota for Nikola Pekovic (bad contract) and Brandon Rush.


Why for Phoenix? Doing this allows them to very likely get either Nitkilina or Dennis Smith Jr. And even though we would have to most likely take back Pekovics' Bad Contract, It would Only be for a year or two at most And he would give us a big,very physical presence at center behind chandler. And Brandon Rush would give us a more than decent three point shooter and defensive option behind Bledsoe until his contract expires.

Why for Minnesota? Rubio is getting somewhat better, But not nearly good enough to help them get into the playoffs. Again, Bledsoes' experience, production , etc. would obviously give them that necessary boost they need to finally reach the playoffs. Add in the incentive of us taking back Pekovics' contract wich gives them much needed salary cap room when it comes time for them to resign their core of wiggins, towns, rubio, and lavine, And it's a "no brainer for them.


Trade #3Phoenix and Dallas-


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb5soj53 .


Phoenix trades Bledsoe and Alex Len(expiring) to Dallas for Wesley Matthews and Devin Harris.( Not my ideal trade :wink: ).

Why for Phoenix
? Pretty simple, I want their # 9 pick in order to secure Nitkilina or Smith. Also, even though I hate Wesley Matthews horrible contract, He still is a solid veteran 2 guard, defender and 3 point shooter. Again, I would hate to have to take on Matthews' contract, But Cuban is NO FOOL and we would have to give to get in this scenario. But I strongly believe mutual interest would be there. And as for Devin Harris, Once we move Bledsoe in this trade, He would give us a pretty solid backup option behind Nitkilina/Smith and Ulis.


Why for Dallas
? Basically so Dirk can compete in the playoffs before he retires. Also Cuban Wants to compete as well. Add in the salary cap savings from moving Matthews contract and again, it's another "no brainer".


Final Trade
-Phoenix and New York.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd2g4q6s .

Phoenix trades Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, And Alex Len to New York for Derrick rose, And Joakim Noah. For the record, I'm not a fan of Derrick Rose in his current condition, However he is an expiring contract and I really only added him to this scenario to make the numbers work and to help New York avoid any unnecessary awkward logjam, etc. Then again, New York may want to keep him :roll: . I also had us taking him back so we might hopefully convince them to take back knights' contract.

Why for Phoenix
? The #8 pick for starters, where in we can still feasibly acquire Nitkilina or Dennis Smith Jr. Also, We get Noah, who is a massive upgrade over Len, And would be optional as a more defensive oriented 4 for us. He would also give us a major boost in our rebounding.

Why for New York
? $ 7 million in cap savings to start, as well as the ability to move on from the derrick rose failure. Also Bledsoe gives them a near all star production in their point guard who also has the ability to play in jacksons' self coveted " triangle system". Finally, gives them a more reasonable chance to compete for the playoffs in a weaker eastern conference. Yes, I know that knight is currently considered by many to be a net negative contractually, But I think that perhaps a change of location might give him boost and let him start over somewhat. Plus New York is really short on shooting guards and knight might perform better in the "bright Lights" of New York.


Or you could just simplify the trade by:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb6ornu6 .


Phoenix simply trades Bledsoe and a future conditional first rounder for Derrick Rose and the #8 pick.

All in all, Not easy trades, But still more or less achievable depending on level of mutual interest and creativity on "mcDs' part.


Props for putting some time in on this but just an FYI guys like Rose and Len can only be traded in a sign and trade because they are hitting free agency. And with Len since he's an RFA it's even more complicated because I don't believe he can be combined with any other player going out in a trade per the CBA (unless they changed that in the latest version).
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Post#225 » by NTB » Thu Jun 1, 2017 6:09 pm

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Post#226 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 6:33 pm

So I know I mentioned this before, but who would be for/opposed a Booker/Russell back court? Obviously many are VERY high on Booker. Some are low on Russell, but considering he has almost the exact same shooting #s as Booker (TS% and eFG% almost identical..one slightly higher in each), however Russell has almost twice as many steals per 36, pretty close to twice as many assists per 36, and more rebounds as well.

As high as people are on Booker, considering all this, you'd think people here would be similarly high on Russell. And obviously chemistry shouldn't be an issue considering they know each other, have friends and have played together I believe. And fits the age range of our team.

Here is their comparison.
http://bkref.com/tiny/WZQ58
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Post#227 » by NTB » Thu Jun 1, 2017 6:38 pm

bwgood77 wrote:So I know I mentioned this before, but who would be for/opposed a Booker/Russell back court? Obviously many are VERY high on Booker. Some are low on Russell, but considering he has almost the exact same shooting #s as Booker (TS% and eFG% almost identical..one slightly higher in each), however Russell has almost twice as many steals per 36, pretty close to twice as many assists per 36, and more rebounds as well.

As high as people are on Booker, considering all this, you'd think people here would be similarly high on Russell. And obviously chemistry shouldn't be an issue considering they know each other, have friends and have played together I believe. And fits the age range of our team.

Here is their comparison.
http://bkref.com/tiny/WZQ58


I don't trust Russell's defense. With Booker, we can't afford that backcourt duo imo. IDK maybe it would be like Portland with Lillard-Mccollum.
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Post#228 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 6:48 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:So I know I mentioned this before, but who would be for/opposed a Booker/Russell back court? Obviously many are VERY high on Booker. Some are low on Russell, but considering he has almost the exact same shooting #s as Booker (TS% and eFG% almost identical..one slightly higher in each), however Russell has almost twice as many steals per 36, pretty close to twice as many assists per 36, and more rebounds as well.

As high as people are on Booker, considering all this, you'd think people here would be similarly high on Russell. And obviously chemistry shouldn't be an issue considering they know each other, have friends and have played together I believe. And fits the age range of our team.

Here is their comparison.
http://bkref.com/tiny/WZQ58


I don't trust Russell's defense. With Booker, we can't afford that backcourt duo imo. IDK maybe it would be like Portland with Lillard-Mccollum.


Well that's actually another area he ranks better than Booker in. I guess if your point is that you want a lockdown defender at PG then that makes sense, though Ulis is feisty, they both have pretty bad negative DRPMs (Ulis 79th, Russell 84th out of 91 PGs) http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/1
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Post#229 » by Saberestar » Thu Jun 1, 2017 6:52 pm

Regarding Iguodala...

I think that Knight is absolutely done in Phoenix and he is gonna be traded for cap space or someone with one year left on his contract that we can even waive.

Len is gonna be overpaid and we are not gonna match.

Without these two salaries we are gonna have a ton of space, and we can bring a veteran to play around 20 minutes per game at SG/SF under Booker and Warren.

First option Iguodala. Second option Jonathon Simmons. Third option Joe Ingles.

Makes sense what Gambo said last week. Ingles and Simmons are similar players to Iguodala, just younger and worse overall players.
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Post#230 » by TOO » Thu Jun 1, 2017 7:05 pm

Saberestar wrote:Regarding Iguodala...

I think that Knight is absolutely done in Phoenix and he is gonna be traded for cap space or someone with one year left on his contract that we can even waive.

Len is gonna be overpaid and we are not gonna match.

Without these two salaries we are gonna have a ton of space, and we can bring a veteran to play around 20 minutes per game at SG/SF under Booker and Warren.

First option Iguodala. Second option Jonathon Simmons. Third option Joe Ingles.

Makes sense what Gambo said last week. Ingles and Simmons are similar players to Iguodala, just younger and worse overall players.

Worse? Maybe, but for how long? Lets not act like a 34yo Iguodala is long for this NBA life. He's certainly not gonna get any better. Simmons I wouldnt touch, he's a Spurs product, Ingles now, his 3&D game would fit here quite well. We need shooting more than Iguodalas ball handling. Both defend well, Ingles probably comes cheaper, gimme Ingles.
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Post#231 » by King4Day » Thu Jun 1, 2017 7:19 pm

TOO wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Regarding Iguodala...

I think that Knight is absolutely done in Phoenix and he is gonna be traded for cap space or someone with one year left on his contract that we can even waive.

Len is gonna be overpaid and we are not gonna match.

Without these two salaries we are gonna have a ton of space, and we can bring a veteran to play around 20 minutes per game at SG/SF under Booker and Warren.

First option Iguodala. Second option Jonathon Simmons. Third option Joe Ingles.

Makes sense what Gambo said last week. Ingles and Simmons are similar players to Iguodala, just younger and worse overall players.

Worse? Maybe, but for how long? Lets not act like a 34yo Iguodala is long for this NBA life. He's certainly not gonna get any better. Simmons I wouldnt touch, he's a Spurs product, Ingles now, his 3&D game would fit here quite well. We need shooting more than Iguodalas ball handling. Both defend well, Ingles probably comes cheaper, gimme Ingles.


Maybe we'd just offer him a 2 year 30mil deal or something like that.
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Post#232 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 1, 2017 7:24 pm

Well Iggy would fit mcds mo of giving early retirement contracts to over the hill role players. Don't get me wrong Im ok having some vets around I'd just prefer thats done with ronnie price type contracts rather than dudley or chandler like money.

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Post#233 » by RaisingArizona » Thu Jun 1, 2017 7:27 pm

Iggy, like Chandler is someone we needed 10 years ago but if it weakens the Warriors and helps mentor the young guys, I don't see the harm.
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Post#234 » by DirtyDez » Thu Jun 1, 2017 7:32 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:Iggy, like Chandler is someone we needed 10 years ago but if it weakens the Warriors and helps mentor the young guys, I don't see the harm.


He should've been a Sun ten years ago but we gave that pick to Chicago. Imagine Iggy on the wing with those SSOL teams...

I don't really see it at this point. There are vets on the roster that provide leadership.
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Post#235 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 7:36 pm

TOO wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Regarding Iguodala...

I think that Knight is absolutely done in Phoenix and he is gonna be traded for cap space or someone with one year left on his contract that we can even waive.

Len is gonna be overpaid and we are not gonna match.

Without these two salaries we are gonna have a ton of space, and we can bring a veteran to play around 20 minutes per game at SG/SF under Booker and Warren.

First option Iguodala. Second option Jonathon Simmons. Third option Joe Ingles.

Makes sense what Gambo said last week. Ingles and Simmons are similar players to Iguodala, just younger and worse overall players.

Worse? Maybe, but for how long? Lets not act like a 34yo Iguodala is long for this NBA life. He's certainly not gonna get any better. Simmons I wouldnt touch, he's a Spurs product, Ingles now, his 3&D game would fit here quite well. We need shooting more than Iguodalas ball handling. Both defend well, Ingles probably comes cheaper, gimme Ingles.


Ingles can flat out shoot too. We could use a shooter that shoots well.
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Post#236 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 7:38 pm

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TOO wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Regarding Iguodala...

I think that Knight is absolutely done in Phoenix and he is gonna be traded for cap space or someone with one year left on his contract that we can even waive.

Len is gonna be overpaid and we are not gonna match.

Without these two salaries we are gonna have a ton of space, and we can bring a veteran to play around 20 minutes per game at SG/SF under Booker and Warren.

First option Iguodala. Second option Jonathon Simmons. Third option Joe Ingles.

Makes sense what Gambo said last week. Ingles and Simmons are similar players to Iguodala, just younger and worse overall players.

Worse? Maybe, but for how long? Lets not act like a 34yo Iguodala is long for this NBA life. He's certainly not gonna get any better. Simmons I wouldnt touch, he's a Spurs product, Ingles now, his 3&D game would fit here quite well. We need shooting more than Iguodalas ball handling. Both defend well, Ingles probably comes cheaper, gimme Ingles.


Maybe we'd just offer him a 2 year 30mil deal or something like that.
If he's content with 2 titles (assuming they win this year) and wants to ride into the sunset as a well paid mentor, why not?


I wouldn't do that at that price. I suppose maybe if we didn't have Knight and Dudley, or possibly Chandler.

Iguodala would be a good defensive type mentor for Warren and perhaps a rookie and the other guys. Because he is actually a really good wing defender...high iq player.
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Post#237 » by LukasBMW » Thu Jun 1, 2017 7:41 pm

Why bring in a vet small forward when we have TJ as well as JD and Bender to fill in at the position?

Additionally, we could very well draft a small forward?

Bringing on Iggy creates a logjam.


I wonder if we're trading Bledsoe and TJ to Orlando for their pick?

We take Fox at #4 and we take Tatum/Jackson/Issac with the Orlando pick.

Hmmm....
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Post#238 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 1, 2017 7:43 pm

It's probably nothing and there's always a ton of false flags thrown out this time of year but if you are a read between the lines guy some things point to the suns taking a point guard at 4. Supposed interest wings like Iggy and Simmons... if you draft a SF at 4 there NO reason to bring either of these guys in. Then you have some reports of them liking a guy like Allen from Texas who just so happens to be projected around the pick range that you might be getting back in a Bledsoe trade. Like I was saying it's probably nothing but who knows where there's smoke there might be fire.
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Post#239 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 1, 2017 7:48 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Why bring in a vet small forward when we have TJ as well as JD and Bender to fill in at the position?

Additionally, we could very well draft a small forward?

Bringing on Iggy creates a logjam.


I wonder if we're trading Bledsoe and TJ to Orlando for their pick?

We take Fox at #4 and we take Tatum/Jackson/Issac with the Orlando pick.

Hmmm....


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Post#240 » by JMac1 » Thu Jun 1, 2017 7:52 pm

bwgood77 wrote:So I know I mentioned this before, but who would be for/opposed a Booker/Russell back court? Obviously many are VERY high on Booker. Some are low on Russell, but considering he has almost the exact same shooting #s as Booker (TS% and eFG% almost identical..one slightly higher in each), however Russell has almost twice as many steals per 36, pretty close to twice as many assists per 36, and more rebounds as well.

As high as people are on Booker, considering all this, you'd think people here would be similarly high on Russell. And obviously chemistry shouldn't be an issue considering they know each other, have friends and have played together I believe. And fits the age range of our team.

Here is their comparison.
http://bkref.com/tiny/WZQ58


I don't need to read all of whatever you posted....I like Russell.

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