The Draft Thread: Ayton Vs Doncic 1

[bwoolf2]

Ayton dominated against inferior league college midgets.

But he was double teamed and tripled teamed...

and to be honest his own team mates "contained" him the most.... Ristic pretty much was a wall inside the paint for Ayton.
His guards looked for him a lot... but also missed him a lot.

Ayton is good at freeing himself for a good position I've noticed... very old school Great Era Center mentality. Its like watching David Robinson in the mid 90s...

Ayton won't have too many problems scoring and rebounding. It's the other side that needs the work, particularly against the much better competition.

I agree his D needs work it didnt help Arizona played him out of position in college but if you are worried about Ayton's D you should be down right terrified of Doncic's D.

[MrMiyagi]

I think Michael Porter will add difficulties to Suns selection process as we closer to the draft night.

McD's comments about "big" men who can dribble and create is very applicable to MPJ as well... he's 6'11, albeit average wingspan... but very good to elite jump shot and good to very good 3pt potential..... and ATHLETIC.


Mini-Durant. Can play SF and PF.... and even Center as he can definitely out-maneuver other team's centers like Capela and Gobert.... which will force teams to put Small Forwards on him.... or Durant.

Porter is the dumbest choice for #1, IMO. If you want a wing, take Luka.

[Sreister]

Knicks off Kristaps Porzingis and Emanual Mudiay for picks 1,16,31.

No less then that. Yes or no?

Add Pick 9 and the conversation might go further along.

Na. Whoever is taken #1 won’t be better then KP imo. Only worth trading if we can get more then one pick.

Thanks for the response

Then why offer him in a trade in the first place? There are clearly questions about if he can come back 100%. Last year you don't even entertain options. And rightfully so. Saying he'll come back "beast" is clear conjecture.

[thamadkant]

But he was double teamed and tripled teamed...

and to be honest his own team mates "contained" him the most.... Ristic pretty much was a wall inside the paint for Ayton.
His guards looked for him a lot... but also missed him a lot.

Ayton is good at freeing himself for a good position I've noticed... very old school Great Era Center mentality. Its like watching David Robinson in the mid 90s...

Ayton won't have too many problems scoring and rebounding. It's the other side that needs the work, particularly against the much better competition.

I agree his D needs work it didnt help Arizona played him out of position in college but if you are worried about Ayton's D you should be down right terrified of Doncic's D.

I agree with Ayton being "work in progress" defensively overall.

But I'm confident he will improve there, basically by simply getting more experience and accessing coaching staff that specializes on those things and of course player development.



In the end, the ENTIRE Suns team need better defensive effort and IQ.... Josh Jackson was only "Pass" last season. Even Chandler stopped trying.

[MrMiyagi]

But he was double teamed and tripled teamed...

and to be honest his own team mates "contained" him the most.... Ristic pretty much was a wall inside the paint for Ayton.
His guards looked for him a lot... but also missed him a lot.

Ayton is good at freeing himself for a good position I've noticed... very old school Great Era Center mentality. Its like watching David Robinson in the mid 90s...

Ayton won't have too many problems scoring and rebounding. It's the other side that needs the work, particularly against the much better competition.

I agree his D needs work it didnt help Arizona played him out of position in college but if you are worried about Ayton's D you should be down right terrified of Doncic's D.

But giving Capela the MAX solves everything!!!!!

[kennydorglas]

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That's my boy.

[juanc]

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[NatP4]

John Wall for 1??

[Mischa]

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That's my boy.

YES. THE CHOSEN ONE.

[TOO]

John Wall for 1??

[TOO]

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That's my boy.

YES. THE CHOSEN ONE.

I know **** about their rules, whether they play halves or quarters etc.. but 16pts doesn't scream incredible.

[Villalobos]

But he was double teamed and tripled teamed...

and to be honest his own team mates "contained" him the most.... Ristic pretty much was a wall inside the paint for Ayton.
His guards looked for him a lot... but also missed him a lot.

Ayton is good at freeing himself for a good position I've noticed... very old school Great Era Center mentality. Its like watching David Robinson in the mid 90s...

Ayton won't have too many problems scoring and rebounding. It's the other side that needs the work, particularly against the much better competition.

I agree his D needs work it didnt help Arizona played him out of position in college but if you are worried about Ayton's D you should be down right terrified of Doncic's D.

Why? You can hide a guard's defense. You can't hide your rim protector, the most important defensive position.

I agree his D needs work it didnt help Arizona played him out of position in college but if you are worried about Ayton's D you should be down right terrified of Doncic's D.

But giving Capela the MAX solves everything!!!!!

Getting a great defender at C does indeed solve a lot with defense.

[WeekapaugGroove]

John Wall for 1??

No....... with his contract I kind of wonder if he's even tradeable at all.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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More team luka

[Years90Suns]

I did some research and while it's true that "25% of EuroLeague players were drafted in the first or second round," most were draft and stash guys who didn't translate. Here's a list of current EuroLeague players who managed to make an NBA roster:

Derrick Brown
Sonny Weems
Toney Douglas
Zoran Dragic
Andrew Goudelock
Mindaugas Kuzminskas
Dorell Wright
Elias Harris
Pero Antić
Nando de Colo
Cory Higgins
Othello Hunter
Victor Khryapa
Sergio Rodríguez
Víctor Claver
J.C. Navarro
Phil Pressey
Kevin Séraphin
Jason Thompson
James Nunnally
Jan Veselý
Luigi Datome
Thomas Robinson
Alexey Shved
Tyler Honeycutt
Sergei Monia
James Anderson
Charles Jenkins
Malcolm Thomas
Rodrigue Beaubois
Patricio Garino
Marcelo Huertas
Tornike Shengelia
Jeremy Pargo
Norris Cole
Pierre Jackson
Bobby Brown
Vassilis Spanoulis
Kostas Papanikolaou
Brian Roberts
Kyle Wiltjer
Hollis Thompson
Chris Singleton
Mike James
Adreian Payne
Nick Calathes
Thanasis Antetokounmpo
Gustavo Ayón
Rudy Fernández
Ognjen Kuzmić
Chasson Randle
Anthony Randolph
Edy Tavares
Jeffery Taylor
James Augustine
Ray McCallum Jr.
Nemanja Nedović
Erick Green
Tibor Pleiß
Brandon Davies
Axel Toupane
Beno Udrih

The point is Luka is playing against older, slower guys who lack the skills to play in the NBA. The best college conferences have more NBA talent year in and year out. I'm not trying to diminish his accomplishments but there is going to be a steep learning curve. The NBA is more physical and starters play more minutes.

I am sorry to tell you you are talking nonsense.
ANY college team will be desintegrated by a good European team. The players are more experienced, taller, stronger, much better team players and, especially, they are FAAAAAAAAR better shooters than those kids in the NCAA.
Remember the USA stopped sending those kids to the Olympics and Worlds because they were being busted by professional national teams.
And I did not talk about may be the main difference between NCAA teams and those here in the EuroLeague. roster depth. Every team here now has 12 players used to play and hold their own. NCAA teams usually have 4-5 guys that can be called real basketball players.

Per Frascchilla's report I know that every EL team has 3-4-5 guys over 6-10. The average height of a NCAA center is 6-9.

One thing in which NCAA players are much better is speed and jumping. Not quickness, but speed (often misunderstood).

And this does not mean Doncic will be a better player. I believe right now he is a better player than Ayton, who playing in ANY EuroLeague team would be as lost as an octopus in a garage.
We have to figure out where Ayton and Doncic are going to be in 2-4-6 years from now.
And we need that the one we select, if worse than the other in a few years, is at least not much worse, but just a little.

[bwgood77]

But he was double teamed and tripled teamed...

and to be honest his own team mates "contained" him the most.... Ristic pretty much was a wall inside the paint for Ayton.
His guards looked for him a lot... but also missed him a lot.

Ayton is good at freeing himself for a good position I've noticed... very old school Great Era Center mentality. Its like watching David Robinson in the mid 90s...

Ayton won't have too many problems scoring and rebounding. It's the other side that needs the work, particularly against the much better competition.

I agree his D needs work it didnt help Arizona played him out of position in college but if you are worried about Ayton's D you should be down right terrified of Doncic's D.

Doncic's a smart team defender with a very high motor. He may lack some athleticism and people think being 6/8, 230 he might not be able to keep up with quick small point guards which is understandable, but he's a fairly solid defender. Not a plus or lock down defender, but not a bad one.

[bwoolf2]

Ayton won't have too many problems scoring and rebounding. It's the other side that needs the work, particularly against the much better competition.

I agree his D needs work it didnt help Arizona played him out of position in college but if you are worried about Ayton's D you should be down right terrified of Doncic's D.

Doncic's a smart team defender with a very high motor. He may lack some athleticism and people think being 6/8, 230 he might not be able to keep up with quick small point guards which is understandable, but he's a fairly solid defender. Not a plus or lock down defender, but not a bad one.

Not in the games I have watched of his granted its only been about 3 full games but there is no way he can handle SFs in the NBA they will blow by him. Not saying he cant get better but he is going to really struggle on that side of the ball initially much more so than Ayton will.

[bwgood77]

Ayton won't have too many problems scoring and rebounding. It's the other side that needs the work, particularly against the much better competition.

I agree his D needs work it didnt help Arizona played him out of position in college but if you are worried about Ayton's D you should be down right terrified of Doncic's D.

I agree with Ayton being "work in progress" defensively overall.

But I'm confident he will improve there, basically by simply getting more experience and accessing coaching staff that specializes on those things and of course player development.

In the end, the ENTIRE Suns team need better defensive effort and IQ.... Josh Jackson was only "Pass" last season. Even Chandler stopped trying.

That is funny it's a work in progress but that's ok because our whole team D's a work in progress defensively so it's fine. Odd reasoning.

I do think/hope he will improve on that end too being how important it is to have a defensive anchor down low.

[Jwetz83]

John Wall for 1??

No....... with his contract I kind of wonder if he's even tradeable at all.

Walls contract next year is only 19 mil. Then it explodes. The only way the Suns make Wall work is to go all in this year and max out salaries before Bookers extension and Walls 40 mil contract. Sarver would be paying some serious luxury tax

[sleepyvato]

Not impressed by Doncic today. He had some good moments but overall I was more impressed by Llull than any one else in this game.

He will be a good NBA player but not great. Will be a solid pick for the Kings.