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2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation

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Do you truly expect the Suns to win the finals this year?

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Re: possible Sarver legal issues 

Post#221 » by bwgood77 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:09 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:Wow, the racism part is weird considering we are I think the only team with a Black GM and a Black coach. He also owns the WNBA (though some imply that owning teams comprised mostly of Black players is a form of racism and I guess they could argue the same for women...though that's going overboard).

It wouldn't surprise me though. He loved Nash. There was that Russillo piece that said that Sarver was enamored with Luka...went to see him and it was actually McD that wanted Ayton and (and he had always said they would take a big)...of course the story that everyone always jumps to is that Sarver wanted Ayton over Luka..it was all him (even though we all know McD didn't want Luka for sure...didn't even go see him).

But with Sarver, even those discussions with Raja and Amare people could take a certain way today and is treatment of people in the past in general as well. I have no idea about the women part. Never heard anything about that.

In a way it all would actually surprise me since I have never heard of this kind of stuff at all and have read so much about the Suns over the years and he hires James Jones, Monty, Terry Porter, Alvin Gentry, etc.

Two of his Senior VPs are female as well, including the Suns legal counsel, so that would also be strange.

And of course, there is, also the fact, that Jordan Schultz is about the worst source there is.

I wonder what the NBA would do if they owned the Suns like they owned the Hornets (now Pelicans).

Hopefully if a sale is forced, we get a very rich basketball savvy owner who is not terribly hands on (no pun intended).


It is possible to be racist toward a particular group and not another. Maybe Sarver isn't racist toward black people, but is toward Asian or Native people. I know people who are fully BLM, stop asian hate, etc. but make anti-Semitic comments.

Now, I'm not saying Sarver has any of these prejudices, just that whatever comments or whatever are being reported may not be directed at black people, but could still be racist.


That's true. It could be anything. He did do the Los Suns thing though and I doubt there are many anti semitic bankers, but there are plenty of groups it could be.

This is such a weird thing to come out right now and of course from all people, Schultz, and verified by none other than Gambo and Flex...

I wouldn't really think anything was true until espn came out with it except that Gambo said that he heard 50 people were interviewed. That's pretty hefty. And Jordan is taking a lot of risk if it isn't verified...then again that may be the reason no one else even dare....the risk...espn could pull a story they have ready at any minute because their legal team doesn't feel comfortable enough with it.

And if they are going to release it, they probably do not want to do so right before a national game against the Lakers. They will likely try to avoid the topic entirely.
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Re: possible Sarver legal issues 

Post#222 » by matt131 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:10 pm

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Desertfox wrote:Both are terrible but Bezos prefers to stay away from the limelight and is less insane. Then again he might make the players pee in a bottle. So... neither?


My thoughts exactly. Both of them are garbage people.
That and unless they are into basketball, I'm not sure what they'd get out of owning an NBA team. They are both so heavily involved with other things that make them waaaaaaaaaaaaay more money than owning the suns. I just can't imagine either of them would care at all
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Re: possible Sarver legal issues 

Post#223 » by Slim Charless » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:12 pm

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RaisingArizona wrote:Sarver gonna own ESPN if they're wrong lol


We should ALL be wishing and praying that everything said about him is 1000% true and they can force him out like they did Sterling.

Please don't play with my emotions here ESPN. This needs to be real.


You HOPE these things happened? Wow, I hope people didn't have to withstand that type of behavior from an employer.


I hope that Sarver is gone and everyone that was wronged gets a bag via the class action lawsuit that Sarver would get hit with....and a raise by whoever (fingers crossed) would be our new multi billion dollar owner.
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Re: possible Sarver legal issues 

Post#224 » by Barkley6 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:15 pm

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Desertfox wrote:Both are terrible but Bezos prefers to stay away from the limelight and is less insane. Then again he might make the players pee in a bottle. So... neither?


My thoughts exactly. Both of them are garbage people.
That and unless they are into basketball, I'm not sure what they'd get out of owning an NBA team. They are both so heavily involved with other things that make them waaaaaaaaaaaaay more money than owning the suns. I just can't imagine either of them would care at all


I'd really prefer the owner to be someone with ties to the Valley. But that may be hard to come by.
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Re: possible Sarver legal issues 

Post#225 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:16 pm

Rather a rich bastard.

We go $30m over the luxury threshold and it's about $100m in tax per year.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#226 » by bwgood77 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:17 pm

Barkley6 wrote:Interesting bit here on the wording of the statement:

Read on Twitter
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Wow, they are REALLY going at Schultz here. I have also seen other reporters on twitter ripping Schultz to shreds for trying to scoop the story, if there even is such a story.

It makes sense...he always tries to out scoop everyone which is why we have come to disregard him, because he rarely ever reports on anything that actually happens.

But if he didn't do serious research and is careless with a topic as serious as this one, he deserves a fat defamation lawsuit.
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Re: possible Sarver legal issues 

Post#227 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:18 pm

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Bogyo wrote:So what are the actual allegations? Would need to know those in order so I can make up my mind, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if racism/sexism would be true (even though these subjects with vaccinations and other political things are a bit overboard lately imho - and I'm pretty liberal to begin with...).

Other than this: who would be a good owner and would actually like to own a team? Musk? Bezos?


A bit off topic, But if you had to choose between the two, Who'd you prefer?


Bezos. I want a HUGE Suns Amazon store.


That would be awesome!
Being able to get all the latest suns gear, etc on my prime account. Plus luxury tax for him would be an absolute joke proposition. :lol:
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Re: possible Sarver legal issues 

Post#228 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:21 pm

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Re: possible Sarver legal issues 

Post#229 » by bwgood77 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:26 pm

It's interesting that of all people to "break" the "possibility" of a forthcoming story is is Schultz, who definitely comes from wealth...so if there was a defamation suit Sarver might get some hefty revenue.

And if it was true and Sarver was forced to sell, his dad, Howard Schultz, is ex owner of the Seattle Supersonics, up until he sold to Bennett....so maybe he wants to bring basketball back to Seattle.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#230 » by Barkley6 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:28 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Barkley6 wrote:Interesting bit here on the wording of the statement:

Read on Twitter
?s=20


Wow, they are REALLY going at Schultz here. I have also seen other reporters on twitter ripping Schultz to shreds for trying to scoop the story, if there even is such a story.

It makes sense...he always tries to out scoop everyone which is why we have come to disregard him, because he rarely ever reports on anything that actually happens.

But if he didn't do serious research and is careless with a topic as serious as this one, he deserves a fat defamation lawsuit.


I read the statement being more directed at the ESPN reporter than Schultz. Because Schultz mostly reported that the story existed, he didn't confirm it was true, or make any other accusations.
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Re: possible Sarver legal issues 

Post#231 » by King4Day » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:41 pm

I don't get the feeling this is true. It'll be a long battle but I sense he'll be cleared. Perhaps a ton of angry Phoenicians banned together to come up with a story so we could get a new owner..

At first I was excited but if this is all BS, I hope everyone pays for it dearly and Sarver sues everyone

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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#232 » by DroughtsOverPHX » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:45 pm

Nando88 wrote:But what does Larry Fitzgerald have to say???

I'd be more interested in hearing from Lindsey Smith.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#233 » by bwgood77 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:49 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
Barkley6 wrote:Interesting bit here on the wording of the statement:

Read on Twitter
?s=20


Wow, they are REALLY going at Schultz here. I have also seen other reporters on twitter ripping Schultz to shreds for trying to scoop the story, if there even is such a story.

It makes sense...he always tries to out scoop everyone which is why we have come to disregard him, because he rarely ever reports on anything that actually happens.

But if he didn't do serious research and is careless with a topic as serious as this one, he deserves a fat defamation lawsuit.


I read the statement being more directed at the ESPN reporter than Schultz. Because Schultz mostly reported that the story existed, he didn't confirm it was true, or make any other accusations.


Yeah, I just realized that because I was posting this to the GB and wrote about defamation lawsuit on Schultz, but then re-read and realized Crowley was talking about whoever was going to break the story.

I wonder who it could possibly be?

I mean of course Amin Elhassan comes to mind but he's no longer there. Who is reputable that would do the research on this type of story?
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#234 » by RaisingArizona » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:05 am

Gambo said Baxter at ESPN is working on the story.
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Re: possible Sarver legal issues 

Post#235 » by Slim Charless » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:10 am

King4Day wrote:I don't get the feeling this is true. It'll be a long battle but I sense he'll be cleared. Perhaps a ton of angry Phoenicians banned together to come up with a story so we could get a new owner..

At first I was excited but if this is all BS, I hope everyone pays for it dearly and Sarver sues everyone

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What about Sarver makes you think that he's above these kinds of things? Big Time Bobby is too good of a person to be racist/sexist......not sure where you're going with that thinking.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#236 » by Barkley6 » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:14 am

Interesting that ESPN hasn't reported a thing. Even on the Suns statement. Probably discussing whether or not to kill the story, double and triple checking the sources.
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Re: 2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#237 » by TeamTragic » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:29 am

Barkley6 wrote:Interesting that ESPN hasn't reported a thing. Even on the Suns statement. Probably discussing whether or not to kill the story, double and triple checking the sources.


This is what legit reporting agencies do before posting a story.
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Re: possible Sarver legal issues 

Post#238 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:58 am

I'd love a new owner but I'd be a little surprised if accusations of racism are true. Cheapass? Sure. Uncaring? Sure.

He's never displayed anything around racism from what I can remember.

I guess we'll see where this goes.
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Post#239 » by sasquatchBob » Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:04 am

If this is true then it's Sterling situation 2.0. It's kind of f*cked up to hope it is, but if it is then there's finally a new owner.
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Re: possible Sarver legal issues 

Post#240 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:05 am

sounds like Earl Watson is involved and he's not the most reliable, reportedly about firing a black agent from his pov (rich paul).

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