Sarver ESPN story

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Just got around to reading the ESPN story, and I must say it is underwhelming. I can't imagine Sarver selling this team or being forced out by the league based on what I read in the story. If more provable information comes forward then I will change my mind.

Now, is Sarver a dick to work for? I am absolutely sure that he is. I imagine he is a complete hard ass and jerk to those around him, and some of the more tender skinned individuals who work for the Suns wilt under his harsh tone. Being a dick however doesn't cost you your team.

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That's pretty out there if true

I just logged on. So Jalen rose is reporting that he heard Sarver say this? Or someone told him?

I'm not a Sarver fan by any means. However, unless Jalen Rosa has any proof of him saying this, Sarver should sue ESPN or demand and apology from Rose.

[bigfoot]

Anyone think that if Sarver is NOT forced to sell, that he decides he wants to sell any way? I know I’m dreaming but I think that’s what’s best for him.


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No way. Ego is too huge to sell. His name is splashed across the internet several times per year. If he sells he'll lose that brand recognition.

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damn, cancel culture is out there doing work. waiting for that James Dolan report next

[Slim Charless]

Anyone think that if Sarver is NOT forced to sell, that he decides he wants to sell any way? I know I’m dreaming but I think that’s what’s best for him.


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No way. Ego is too huge to sell. His name is splashed across the internet several times per year. If he sells he'll lose that brand recognition.

His name splashed across the internet for being a cheap ****. You act like people are singing his praises. Except from Frank Lee and a few others in here, I can't recall anyone saying anything positive about him.

I can't remember if you're a fan of his or not. If so, sorry I forgot to include you in the Sarver Squad.

[bwgood77]

That's pretty out there if true

I just logged on. So Jalen rose is reporting that he heard Sarver say this? Or someone told him?

I'm not a Sarver fan by any means. However, unless Jalen Rosa has any proof of him saying this, Sarver should sue ESPN or demand and apology from Rose.

If that was true it certainly would have made it into the story. Baxter Holmes wanted his most damning stuff, so this is pretty big. I can't see Sarver saying that, especially since his agents and Jones confirmed there were really not any discussion/negotiations.

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I stopped respecting Jalen Rose as a reporter of any sort a long time ago. He is always bias and has typically had a not very good perspective about the Suns organization.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Bogyo and many others are making good points on here! It seems though as if this is now beginning to snowball a bit! What with other franchises now starting to be under investigation as well, there'll be significant mounting pressure for the league to actually remove Sarver! I believe that with mounting pressure from public sentiment, The owners will unite together with the league to eventually oust Sarver in interest of placating the public as much as possible to try and kill this thing before it continues to grow and affect more fellow owners. I just think they'd get rid of the source to create the perception that they're aligned on the right side of this in the Hope's of it stopping with Saver once he's gone rather than reaching their doorsteps as well.

If they do oust him mainly because of it's bringing to much heat to other organizations **** behavior does Sarver start lobbing bombs on the way out? He doesn't seem like he'd fall on the sword quietly for the good of the league. "You're getting rid of me while these owners and GMs have done...".

This is what is what trying to communicate. You did a better job of putting succinctly articulating my thoughts for me. Thanks man.

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damn, cancel culture is out there doing work. waiting for that James Dolan report next

I’ll pray for something on Dean Spanos and family.

[Bogyo]

Bogyo and many others are making good points on here! It seems though as if this is now beginning to snowball a bit! What with other franchises now starting to be under investigation as well, there'll be significant mounting pressure for the league to actually remove Sarver! I believe that with mounting pressure from public sentiment, The owners will unite together with the league to eventually oust Sarver in interest of placating the public as much as possible to try and kill this thing before it continues to grow and affect more fellow owners. I just think they'd get rid of the source to create the perception that they're aligned on the right side of this in the Hope's of it stopping with Saver once he's gone rather than reaching their doorsteps as well.

If they do oust him mainly because of it's bringing to much heat to other organizations **** behavior does Sarver start lobbing bombs on the way out? He doesn't seem like he'd fall on the sword quietly for the good of the league. "You're getting rid of me while these owners and GMs have done...".

Yup. Another reason why he will not be ousted. He will go down swinging, and will (try) to take several owners with him. Which I have no problem with, I'm pretty sure that about 50% of the owners did similar things in their previous 10-15 years that were in the sht espn article. Portland's owner is already out there, Dolan is a jerk for sure (we know, just like we knew with Sarver well before this sht article), and there are several others. Also, judging by his character, I'm pretty sure that anyone with a thin skin and not 100% focused all the time would have a very bad (and very short) time working for the GOAT Michael Jordan... what if stories come out how demanding he was and how some of his employees had nervous breakdowns or needed professional help for mental issues caused by him and his behaviour? Are we sure there are no people like that who will come forward? I'm not... Are we ready to tear down that statue in a case like this? I don't think so...

But some sht has to change for sure. I mean even Hollywood got rid of Weinstein and Spacey, and are trying to clean up things there, which might or might not work, but they seem to be trying at least... NBA should too (and other professions as well, I'm just not sure how to fight human nature...)

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This is a report of disgruntled former and current employees. Nothing more.
“Bombshell”?

“Rob hurt my feelings” is all I am reading. And it sounds like a disgruntled e Watson was the big catalyst. That dude’s salty that he is garbage.

“The world has turned into a pussy whipped version of itself.” -Simon Phoenix

White boss uses N word in front of a black man repeatedly even after being asks to stop. Also uses said word to describe black players.


You: Stop being so snowflakey. He's your boss, he has a right to call you guys N words.

Cool story bro. Maybe go back to lurking again yeah?

I didn’t say anything you said I said.

Also, I didn’t read anywhere where Sarver was quoted as calling a black person the N word. Show me.

Also, you being aware of my realgm behavior (lurking?) is creepy and weird. I don’t know you and vice versa.

[bigfoot]

Look… I’m no fan of Sarver , but I give him some cred for the direction we’ve gone in the past 3-4 yrs. he’s backseated it

So I read the article…. Seemed like a tabloid read. The important names backed Bobbie… but then again, they were important. I feel this dude is more of a rich snob asshat than anything. Unlikable pompous arrogant know it all …. Standard CEO/business owner qualities.

For all you wanting a new owner… be careful what you wish for

Definitely a concern. New owners like to clean the house of the predecessors' hirelings. Monty and Jones could be shown the door.

[Slim Charless]

Look… I’m no fan of Sarver , but I give him some cred for the direction we’ve gone in the past 3-4 yrs. he’s backseated it

So I read the article…. Seemed like a tabloid read. The important names backed Bobbie… but then again, they were important. I feel this dude is more of a rich snob asshat than anything. Unlikable pompous arrogant know it all …. Standard CEO/business owner qualities.

For all you wanting a new owner… be careful what you wish for

Definitely a concern. New owners like to clean the house of the predecessors' hirelings. Monty and Jones could be shown the door.

You 2 complain about Monty and JJ as much as anyone. I'd figure that would make you guys happy if we lost them.

I don't think we would btw. The new owner would do something though, you're right. Most of them like to make a splash when they get a new team. Maybe a trade.

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Yup, a few here choose to diss a good guy like DA, but defend a bad guy like Sarver. Weird.

[TheLoon]

Guilty or not of what is alleged we've wanted Sarver to go away for a decade...I'm ok with him falling on his sword if this is how we get rid of the squeaky walker

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I wonder what the other owners think of Nahafi?

[lilfishi22]

Did the rounds over the weekend listening to different takes on the situation and the only defense that was ever even mentioned was that there is no video or audio recording of him saying those awful things But while there is no hard evidence, it was noted that the image of a racist/sexist/misogynistic/toxic owner might be enough of a deterrent from players, coaches and/or front office staff to join the Suns organisation that Sarver may be forced to sell.

I've never really thought too deeply into whether the allegations were enough to force Sarver to sell because to me, they are separate matters but time and time and again, I've seen posters on this board conflate the two suggesting because it might not be enough to force him to sell, the allegations are therefore not as bad. Or there is a subtle defense of Sarver because more than likely those willing to speak out are those who have left on a bad note and so therefore it's nothing but hurt feelings.

I really do find some of the takes on this board concerning considering some are more ready to defend a guy who we know is a bad owner and we all have heard enough stories before this to know that he's probably not a good leader/boss to work for. This is at the very least, confirmation of that.

[bigfoot]

Look… I’m no fan of Sarver , but I give him some cred for the direction we’ve gone in the past 3-4 yrs. he’s backseated it

So I read the article…. Seemed like a tabloid read. The important names backed Bobbie… but then again, they were important. I feel this dude is more of a rich snob asshat than anything. Unlikable pompous arrogant know it all …. Standard CEO/business owner qualities.

For all you wanting a new owner… be careful what you wish for

Definitely a concern. New owners like to clean the house of the predecessors' hirelings. Monty and Jones could be shown the door.

You 2 complain about Monty and JJ as much as anyone. I'd figure that would make you guys happy if we lost them.

I don't think we would btw. The new owner would do something though, you're right. Most of them like to make a splash when they get a new team. Maybe a trade.

I challenge you to find one post where I complain about either Monty or James Jones. As far as I'm concerned these two guys should have 10+ year contracts with the Suns.

[bigfoot]

Did the rounds over the weekend listening to different takes on the situation and the only defense that was ever even mentioned was that there is no video or audio recording of him saying those awful things But while there is no hard evidence, it was noted that the image of a racist/sexist/misogynistic/toxic owner might be enough of a deterrent from players, coaches and/or front office staff to join the Suns organisation that Sarver may be forced to sell.

I've never really thought too deeply into whether the allegations were enough to force Sarver to sell because to me, they are separate matters but time and time and again, I've seen posters on this board conflate the two suggesting because it might not be enough to force him to sell, the allegations are therefore not as bad. Or there is a subtle defense of Sarver because more than likely those willing to speak out are those who have left on a bad note and so therefore it's nothing but hurt feelings.

I really do find some of the takes on this board concerning considering some are more ready to defend a guy who we know is a bad owner and we all have heard enough stories before this to know that he's probably not a good leader/boss to work for. This is at the very least, confirmation of that.

This is not whether Sarver is a bad owner which I think many people will agree. He has meddled too much in basketball affairs where he is out of his element.

The allegations try to paint him as a bad person. That's different. ESPN reporting that he is a racist and misogynist without proof or full context of the situation is another matter. ESPN doesn't put on a fair trial where all evidence is presented. Fortunately, for Sarver's good or bad, the NBA will investigate and we will have answers.

Now being a good leader is also much different than being a bad person. Sure he may yell and curse and belittle employees. But certainly, most of us have experienced this with bosses or parents or siblings or relatives or friends or teachers or coaches. Thinking back on your life experiences it would be mighty rare to not have someone close to you who has not been a perfect leader but is a good person.

So when people paint with a broad brush saying Sarver is cheap and meddles with the basketball team and therefore is bad and then equate that to him being a racist and misogynist is the real problem. In America, people are innocent until found guilty, not just because ESPN put out some clickbait that was quite frankly poorly presented. The NBA investigation will be the real trial.