I'd prefer B of the two. But would much rather pivot to option "C" (my suggestion) of:
1- Okogie/ 2 2nds for Richards/ S curry. Curry can replace D Lees' shooting off the bench? Trade Jones or Morris for a late 1st or multiple (2-3) 2nds from a team like Orlando (before they pursue Sexton), or OKC or Brooklyn. Plumlee, Bol, etc somewhere for 2nds? Then....................................................................
2- Attach 2 2nds to Nurkic and do Nurkic/ 2 2nds for Valuncias / Johnny Davis ( poor man's Jalen Suggs on TO). Valuncias is an upgrade to Nurkic with his finishing and 3 PT shooting ability. And Davis is a tough, versatile, gritty 6'5 power guard known for his physically relentless defense. It'd be important to also get Valuncias so we'd have a big-bodied physical center to bang against the bigger, stronger centers in the postseason. And to provide some physicality in the paint for us. We take a swing on Davis to gauge potential value and if he doesn't impress, we simply decline his TO this summer.
Booker/Allen / Dunn/ Durant/ Richards. Morris/ Beal/ O'neale/ Ighodaro/ Valuncias. ( This still works because Valuncias can hit the three). Davis/ S Curry/ Allen/ Dunn/ Ighodaro.
** Do we trade Allen (Tyus 1st) to Portland for Thybulle and Camara?? Or to Atlanta for Nance Jr and Garrison Matthews?
I can't vote but trading for Jimmy might be near the bottom of my list right now. Just too much chaos and quite honestly, I think he would be the harbinger of the end of the Booker Suns era if he came to Phoenix.
I also like both of your trades. #2 more so than #1. #1 is probably easier to get done, although I wouldn't want to give up two 2nd's either.
I'm not proactively advocating moving KD, but in terms of big moves, I'd rather move KD before trading for Jimmy
Man, if we could get what he proposes for KD and KEEP Book, that would be insane. Our 27, 29 and another unprotected pick? The rest is just filler pretty much and I'd prefer a prospect, but if we could basically get our picks back for KD...at least two of them, that would be great.
Far better than trading another unprotected pick over 6 years off.
A lot of good points in the read for those who didn't go to the Ringer column...
But I also know that the If Ishbia believes what he says, then maybe, just maybe, the Suns should try something else.
Keep KD and trade Booker or trade both of them. On a related note. Jalen Green had 42 today on 13/18 shooting.....with 4 assists lol. But still, thats some scoring and Houston would absolutely move him to us for Booker with our picks still. Not including the young players we'll get on top.
Amen Thompson is breaking out and showing why he’s untouchable. Still holding out hope we can end up with Jabari and one of either Sheppard or Whitmore (likely Whitmore) and our picks.
fromthetop321 wrote:I got Lebron number 1, he is also leading defensive player of the year. Curry's game still reminds me of Jeremy Lin to much.
lonzo is better than giddey/white/dosunmu but his health is a huge question mark.
But we aint in a position where we can be picky about health. Id be pretty happy if we got lonzo. i just dont know where that rumor came from at all lol. like we have Jones and Morris. But aren't we supposed to be trying to get more athletic/rebounding/defense?
I mean sure, if the Bulls are giving him away then why not? Flip Tyus for a different kind of player too?
Davis might literally be the worst player in the league
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Cmon man
Not interested in his shooting like at all! Look over his defensive potential, size, and motor as a low throw-in for valuncias. Valuncias is an upgrade to Nurkic at half the cost and the 2 2nds are for him. Davis is a 5 million dollar throw-in to make the salaries match up closer (dollar for dollar) so we don't have to add better or more sweeteners. And Davis on a ? TO is a minimal risk for us at that amount. Please try and remember too that Suggs didn't look all that good upon entering into the league. Compare both players first two seasons in the league, their shooting averages (FG% and 3PT%) in their first two years in the league along with the actual minutes disparity between the two.
And project their values from a defensive perspective. Sugg's primary value was based on his defensive ability/potential because his shooting and other areas of his game weren't what people had hoped for from a lottery pick. Since then though, his value/ development has improved a lot wouldn't you say?
People are concerned about his offensive struggles/ lack of confidence, but on our team, offensive contribution off the bench with Beal, etc would be much less important. especially in a 3rd rotation role. Also, many people were so concerned with Dunns and Osos' ability to positively contribute due to severe shooting concerns, yet they've found other ways to contribute beyond most people's expectations. Davis could hang his hat on that end, while also learning from the best offensive scorers/ shooters in the game. And even if he can't overcome his concerns, he's still just a 5 million expiring we can trade or simply decline at minimal cost to us as a necessary salary matching "throw in" to get Valuncias for less.
This also has value due to our minimal amount of assets remaining that we can utilize as it's highly unlikely that Washington would choose to just eat the additional 9 million from Nurkics' deal for 2 2nds alone! But in taking back Davis's 5 million expiring, maybe Baldwin too reduces the difference down to around $500,000. That's a much more equitable value exchange for Washington to not demand greater assets. Davis is a 5 million reclamation project that could work out but there is still little to no risk at all for us if he doesn't. The definition of a low-risk/ potentially high reward (if he somehow does)? He was pretty good in college and maybe just needs actual playing time/ reps to figure things out. Please pay close attention to his defensive plays, strength, and fearlessness in his style of play:
Michael Pina wrote:But I also know that the Suns are trapped by their owner’s commitment to misunderstanding an NBA ecosystem that doesn’t function how he thinks it does. The days of giving a maximum contract to three players are over. Depth is king. Financial flexibility, internal development, and the draft are what matter. (No franchise currently employs fewer players who were drafted internally—or had their draft rights acquired via trade—than the Suns: Booker, Ryan Dunn, and Oso Ighodaro.) ...
It always worries me when I disagree with our own experts, so it probably is arrogant to do so with a prominent blogger who works hard, is knowledgeable, and writes for a living. But everything he wrote has been written herein and elsewhere before, so it does seem like click bait.
I just believe he is re-writing history, and might not know more than Ishbia about the "NBA ecosystem". It was only in 2023 that Denver won the championship going only 7 deep (with Brown and Braun) and about 12 minutes per of Jeff Green. They did that by strengthening a weakness at power forward with the addition of Gordon. We are already deeper than that team and our superstars have equaled or exceeded the averages of their two, when Murray was at his best. And Beal, O'Neale, Allen, and the way our two rookies are playing, give us better depth. I still think it would be infinitely quicker and less painful to strengthen our size weakness if Dunn is not yet ready, than to decimate a team that already has three superstars, and rebuild in the draft. I refuse to believe that methods effective since the peach basket, trades and free agency, are obsolete. And since when have the number of players drafted internally, or youth itself, been more important than better players secured by the alternate methods?
The 76ers began "the process" in 2013. They subsequently went 4 years without qualifying, were eliminated in the first round twice, and in the second round five times. Yet Ishbia is considered a failure for being eliminated in the first round of his first year. How long has it been since OKC started its process? I'm probably selfish. I've been to the mountaintop six times, three with my home team and its successor, and three following Iguodala and Durant. I just think it would be stupid, for me anyway, to want to blow up a team with this talent. I do not expect anyone else to agree of course.
Yes for the trade Durant ideas!! Not gonna happen though.
Unfortunately, the day they traded for KD and started this roster process they pretty much guaranteed that Booker will be gone sooner or later and he will not be a Sun for life as some of us hoped he would. He will not stay for a rebuild and that's basically what's gonna happen eventually.
There is no possible money line up trade that would work for Ball.
True! Currently there isn't one. The theoretical premises were promoted around one of three ideas. The first being if he didn't get his contract extended (due to his injury history) and he'd likely sign here as a minimum reclamation project that would want to come play with KD, Booker and Beal. Or the 2nd premise being if we blow things up and rebuild and got under the 2nd apron and then could acquire him to be our PGOTF.
And finally the 3rd was if we somehow traded Beal to Chicago, but not for Lavine because they'd look to trade him in a separate deal but for us, something like Ball/ Vucevic/ Jalen Smith or Dosunmu coming back?
Well yeah! Unless of course you're willing to match salary almost equally by taking back another team's bad/ poor contract that basically makes it a equal or newer equal salary swap:
- Charlotte. Taking back G Williams with Richard's + 2 2nds.
The plan should be trading to secure a combination of Richards and Valuncias with hopefully decent fillers? And using some combination of Tyus Jones, Monte Morris, Plumlee, Bol Bol, D Lee or whatever for a first or 2nd/ 2nds to help facilitate these deals.
And then you have a very solid 3 center rotation of: - Richards. For rim running/ shot blocking, athleticism. - Valuncias. For a big, strong, physical center that can bang and play physical interior defense/ finish better than Nurkic at/ around the rim. - Oso Ighodaro. A young, athletic undersized center that can pass and defend.
So we could have a center rotation that can play in any matchup for us. Especially effective in post season strategic matchups too. Utilize what we can to successfully pursue what we desire.
