lilfishi22 wrote:Qwigglez wrote:Any trade with the Heat starts with Ware and Jovic coming back to Suns. Probably the 20th pick in this year's draft, and perhaps even another pick in the future.
Would have to include Duncan Robinson, and reroute Terry Rozier to a third team in order to match salaries. Suns wouldn't be able to take on Rozier as the salaries would be slightly over what KD makes.
I could see Hornets taking back Terry Rozier and Miles Bridges being sent over to the Suns, and the Heat picks going to Hornets.
Another scenario could be the Bulls if they are looking to trade Coby White, and Suns could give the same package to the Bulls instead of the Hornets. Bulls would have to include Lonzo Ball where he could go to either Suns or Heat.
Nit-picking but I would pass on the pick this year and grab more futures if possible. With Ware and Jovic, that's two 21-22 year olds to add to our rooks from this year. I would prefer a future pick rather than #20 in this draft.
A couple of considerations for my part. First, I wouldn't at all pass on the 20th pick in this draft because we need to cash in on as much value as possible.
And even if you got the 26' 1st in its place, Miami with KD and other potential options they might strategize would put that pick in the mid to late 20s in a more weak and wide open eastern conference.
So essentially that'd be lost value. On top of that, even with Ware, the 20th pick is mediocre value, but necessary value just the same and Jovic and Jacquez while briefly intruiging have seriously underwhelmed and been statistically mediocre this last season.
So the cumulative value is still lacking for a player of KDs' caliber even at 37 ( by the playoffs next season) due to the recent market precedence for value exchange set by the Gobert, Bridges and Bane trades, etc.
Because even though KD is older, he's still a much better, more elite and impactful talent. And the argument commonly made about his 1 yr remaining, to try and suppress his trade value is honestly irrelevant because he'd resign with that team with it going one of his preferred destinations anyways.
And even in the case of a premised 1 yr rental wildcard team ( like Toronto), that team would still inherit Kds' bird rights in the trade and be able to offer him significantly more than what he'd get in free agency. So he'd have a vested interest in resigning most likely. Especially for his last big contract or contract period before retirement.
The other consideration recently bandied about by national pundits is KDs' overall trade value in retrospect to what Orlando gave up for Bane, and other trades over the past few seasons (setting the market).
And the common belief is that KD should equitably return about 1-2 promising young prospects, a vet contract filler and approximately two to three premium picks ( like from the late lottery to early to mid teens.
So my point would be that the 20th pick would represent a minimal value pick inclusion usually reserved for an O'neale, Allen, maybe Richards or a Crowder type (5 - 10) rotation/ bench player. But again, KD even at near 37, is still putting up All NBA production on elite efficiency and is still very impactful if not near unstoppable.
Overall we should be getting back a package of Rozier/ Robinson/ Ware/ Jovic/ 20th pick/ MIA 28' 1st and MIA 30' 1st (they can add light protections if amenable). But this should be the absolute baseline package framework.
